Vaccine

[soccersc]

“. . . Yeah but!”

Yeah, so now, since you are so worried about others, we should make sure we stop all fast food, alcohol and cigarette sales, and make exercising mandatory, because Obesity kills almost 3 million people worldwide EVERY YEAR! Smoking kills about 500,000 people a year....oh, but wait, those industries make Billions so let's not talk about that, I'm sure that is irrelevant to you, but it is kinda confusing because I thought you were worried about others and wanted what's best for us all.

How about this, if people can't prove they have done at least 200 minutes of exercise a week (a California Standard in Education), smoke, or eat fast food, they shouldn't be allowed to go to the hospital. There is no excuse, everyone can exercise, alcohol is a choice! And if you smoke, forget a hospital bed, you'd probably end up there. Those people are taking up hospital beds, why don't we talk about them, there is such laser focus on unvaccinated.
U.S. spends 200 Billion a year on Obesity and medical cost for those with Obesity is almost $2000 more a year than a healthy person. So if you are so worried about others, so now you can focus on someone else. Wonder how many hospital beds those patients are taking up?

Obesity

Obesity has reached epidemic proportions globally, with at least 2.8 million people dying each year as a result of being overweight or obese.

www.who.int

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Obesity is a Common, Serious, and Costly Disease

Get the latest data and facts about adult obesity in the US.

www.cdc.gov

 

[Grace T.]

Of course vaccinated people are getting omicron. Of course you will see larger numbers amongst the vaccinated where vaccination rates are high. Let me ask you this, amongst your, presumably, humungous circle of friends, how many are vax'd and how many aren't? Let's start there.

In our county, absolutely the number of vaccinated people contracting omicron are more than the number of unvaccinated. Want to know why? We have around a 90% vaccination rate. The raw numbers do not change the fact that the unvaccinated are more likely to contract the virus by a significant margin. It really is basic math.

"Significant" assumes facts not in evidence, at least against the omicron. Double Pfizer boost less than 20 percent efficacy at 20 weeks out. Booster Pfizer at around 40 percent 10 weeks out and declining. A better argument is dad4's well if everyone is vaccinated, the population is going to get significantly less infections. Unfortunately, real world data out of Portugal, Spain, Israel, the United Arab Emirates, Gibraltar and Ireland all contradict this point. Where'd you pull "significant" out of? What does it mean?

 

[EvilGoalie 21]

"Significant" assumes facts not in evidence, at least against the omicron.

Its been posted.

 

[what-happened]

Of course vaccinated people are getting omicron. Of course you will see larger numbers amongst the vaccinated where vaccination rates are high. Let me ask you this, amongst your, presumably, humungous circle of friends, how many are vax'd and how many aren't? Let's start there.

In our county, absolutely the number of vaccinated people contracting omicron are more than the number of unvaccinated. Want to know why? We have around a 90% vaccination rate. The raw numbers do not change the fact that the unvaccinated are more likely to contract the virus by a significant margin. It really is basic math.

Wouldn't it make more sense to ask who amongst the most vulnerable remain unvaccinated and/or unboosted? Should Universities mandate boosting for healthy students who are already vaccinated or have been exposed? Same goes for the U18 crowd.

Shouldn't the discussion be about how to best and safely immunize communities? I think that is lost on most people. Vaccine gaslighting only benefits Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, etc. Pretty much everyone on the planet will eventually get sars-cov-2. Whether you've been vaxxed, boosted, infected...it's coming for you eventually. Healthy people will likely be fine.

As you age out or you have the magic comorbids, then get vaxxed and boosted. Boosters are probably in the future for the rest of your life if you fall into that category. You will eventually die of something.

 

[dad4]

Who exactly are you trying to convince to get vaccinated? Nuance escapes you..And yes, I know you will direct me to some chart or graph.

What counties are you referring to? The counties that are generally in poorer health compared to SCC, counties where socio economic conditions are less than idea when compared to SCC? So many variables. It's looking more and more like masking isn't/wasn't as effective as many people thought. Do they provide some level of protection...sure, in very controlled environments. The vast majority of people don't wear them correctly...and they never will. People like you will, for short amounts of time - running from your car, into the store, then back home, or grabbing take out. People on their feet 8+ hrs a day, moving around, etc are not going to wear their mask correctly.

The reality is permanent masking will never be accepted by the majority, in most cases it doesn't even make sense to wear a mask. Their will be a minority that continues to mask. Have at it, your choice.

You are arguing that Bangladeshi peasants are smart enough to wear a mask effectively, but Americans are somehow not up to the task.

I do not share your low opinion of our countrymen.

 

[Grace T.]

Its been posted.

1. Do we have the updated data for Pfizer boosted 20 weeks out?
2. 20 percent is not significant at least for the double dose Pfizer.
3. It's something. The question then becomes is the tradeoff big enough to undertake the costs in mandating it.

 

[Grace T.]

You are arguing that Bangladeshi peasants are smart enough to wear a mask effectively, but Americans are somehow not up to the task.

I do not share your low opinion of our countrymen.

Are you arguing the Bangladesh study again? As you are aware the Bangladeshi participants were monitored and provided an education in how to wear them. Even then, the study found no statistical effect under a certain age group (can't remember what the number was but IIRC it was age fifty)

 

[what-happened]

You are arguing that Bangladeshi peasants are smart enough to wear a mask effectively, but Americans are somehow not up to the task.

I do not share your low opinion of our countrymen.

Then you have to leave your house in order to appreciate the less than adequate mask wearing skills of your fellow americans. Any target, costco, walmart will do.

When was the last time you flew? Have you seen the french fry guy? It's a real thing...people can somehow eat and drink for hrs on planes.

 

[dad4]

"Significant" assumes facts not in evidence, at least against the omicron. Double Pfizer boost less than 20 percent efficacy at 20 weeks out. Booster Pfizer at around 40 percent 10 weeks out and declining. A better argument is dad4's well if everyone is vaccinated, the population is going to get significantly less infections. Unfortunately, real world data out of Portugal, Spain, Israel, the United Arab Emirates, Gibraltar and Ireland all contradict this point. Where'd you pull "significant" out of? What does it mean?

Don't quote me for your nonsense. You start by conflating second shots with boosters (3rd shots). Then you misquote the effectiveness numbers.

If you want to talk numbers, take the time to find the link, so you don't get them wrong.

 

[soccersc]

Of course vaccinated people are getting omicron. Of course you will see larger numbers amongst the vaccinated where vaccination rates are high. Let me ask you this, amongst your, presumably, humungous circle of friends, how many are vax'd and how many aren't? Let's start there.

In our county, absolutely the number of vaccinated people contracting omicron are more than the number of unvaccinated. Want to know why? We have around a 90% vaccination rate. The raw numbers do not change the fact that the unvaccinated are more likely to contract the virus by a significant margin. It really is basic math.

I never said I had a lot of friends, I just work in a couple industries that I talk to a lot of people from all ages. I would honestly say almost all those I am around are vaccinated, I know this because they don’t have to test like I do. So really, I knew every week if I was positive, but all those vaccinated I was around were spreading it like a wildfire!

I’m not sure vaccinated were less likely to contract the Big O, I don’t think we will ever really know the truth about that. Just like we really won’t know how many that are vaccinated died of Covid. There is only a certain amount of info we can actually track down.

So if you feel you are less likely to get it and you know are back to normal, why do you worryso much about those that aren’t vaccinated?

 

[Kicker 2.0]

https://imgur.com/a/UuI1iih

I ran a Spartan race with a group of guys a few years back. 2 months later one of the fathers died of complications from the flu. He too was in “perfect” health. Not sure what your point is……but sadly, death happens.

 

[Grace T.]

Don't quote me for your nonsense. You start by conflating second shots with boosters (3rd shots). Then you misquote the effectiveness numbers.

If you want to talk numbers, take the time to find the link, so you don't get them wrong.

1. I wasn’t quoting you anything. I was asking NorCal dad to justify his use of the word significant
2. You admitting you have a doppelgänger and are NorCal dad?
3. I didn’t conflate anything. I specifically pointed out you had to break the two up. If you want to go further look at the recent Israeli data re 4th shots. The only thing you are doing is pushing out the date of infections, not preventing anything.

 

[Ellejustus]

1. I wasn’t quoting you anything. I was asking NorCal dad to justify his use of the word significant
2. You admitting you have a doppelgänger and are NorCal dad?
3. I didn’t conflate anything. I specifically pointed out you had to break the two up. If you want to go further look at the recent Israeli data re 4th shots. The only thing you are doing is pushing out the date of infections, not preventing anything.

The spirit of EOTL left Golden Gate and has now entered into Mavs. Where is Espola & Husker today? NoCaldad is making a big splash today. I think these guys play multiple avatars to get under our skin. Grace T, I have finally figured out a few things about life and i can;t wait to share it with everyone some day. Right now, I'm keeping it all to myself.

 

[NorCalDad]

I never said I had a lot of friends, I just work in a couple industries that I talk to a lot of people from all ages. I would honestly say almost all those I am around are vaccinated, I know this because they don’t have to test like I do. So really, I knew every week if I was positive, but all those vaccinated I was around were spreading it like a wildfire!

I’m not sure vaccinated were less likely to contract the Big O, I don’t think we will ever really know the truth about that. Just like we really won’t know how many that are vaccinated died of Covid. There is only a certain amount of info we can actually track down.

So if you feel you are less likely to get it and you know are back to normal, why do you worryso much about those that aren’t vaccinated?

But we do know -- You're acting like the Caveman Lawyer.

I don't care if you get the vaccine or not. Your choice. What I do know is it is indeed effective. What I also know is when a community comes together like the one I am part of, good things happen. We don't have the same grim outlook that @Grace T. keeps on promoting. There's too much BS and poor logic on this thread.

 

[NorCalDad]

 

[Grace T.]

1. I wasn’t quoting you anything. I was asking NorCal dad to justify his use of the word significant
2. You admitting you have a doppelgänger and are NorCal dad?
3. I didn’t conflate anything. I specifically pointed out you had to break the two up. If you want to go further look at the recent Israeli data re 4th shots. The only thing you are doing is pushing out the date of infections, not preventing anything.

COVID-19 Vaccines

Vaccines are seen as one of the best ways to stop COVID-19. Learn more about the types of vaccines, including the newly approved Novavax.

www.webmd.com

 

[dad4]

Are you arguing the Bangladesh study again? As you are aware the Bangladeshi participants were monitored and provided an education in how to wear them. Even then, the study found no statistical effect under a certain age group (can't remember what the number was but IIRC it was age fifty)

Are you saying the state and federal governments lack sufficient funds for a decent mask education campaign?

I had no idea it was that bad That's an outrage! Let's increase taxes.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

On behalf of San Diego I would like recognize the Bay Area contributions to preventing the spread of the virus with the "1st Annual Covid Awesomeness Award". Everything is Awesome!

(Please pay no attention to the rampant crime and the mass homelessness in the Bay Area, they've done really awesome with Covid. Just watch your step when you're in the City).

Well, in my neck of the woods in the Bay Area, things haven't been so great. Downtown we had a 16-year-old girl get her neck slashed a few months back in the middle of the afternoon while walking through town. Fortunately, she survived. The high-end mall near our home has been looted, openly, by both organized gangs that rush in and out as well as casual shop-lifters doing so at their leisure and leaving Nordstrom without security in sight. My wife asked one of the workers if she knew what was going on and she said they did. After that, I warned my wife that with the general lack of security the thieves will start to get bolder and accost individuals. Well, a couple of months later (two days ago) we had an armed robbery (possibly a "replica" handgun) of two diners eating outside at the mall (not @dad4, it was two ladies) in broad daylight. The thief was seen riding off on one of those Facebook/Google bikes. Those bikes aren't built for speed. They still haven't found him 2 days later. I'm taking a little break from the mall until they get their security issues figured out. Of course, it's not just the mall or downtown, on Monday I was going to add a few more things to the recycling bin at about 7:15 AM and as I walked out my front door, I realized a homeless person was sleeping on my porch. I was so shocked I almost laughed out loud.

So, at best Mr. "Everything is great here in Norcal" is clueless, at worst he's not even real - simply a troll espousing an ideology and being dishonest while doing it.

 

[Grace T.]

Are you saying the state and federal governments lack sufficient funds for a decent mask education campaign?

I had no idea it was that bad That's an outrage! Let's increase taxes.

On the level of supervision of the Bangladesh study? Yeah, it lacks the funds and personnel to do such an extensive campaign (not to mention probably the federal power on a constitutional level).

p.s. I'm to the left of you in fiscal policy. Let's increase taxes is probably a good idea.

 

[whatithink]

More reality sinking in.

Try it sometime.


England is set to get rid of essentially all of its COVID-19 restrictions, as was announced by United Kingdom Prime Minister Boris Johnson on Wednesday.

Mandatory mask-wearing on public transportation and in stores, guidelines on working from home, as well as vaccine certifications will be ended next week. Johnson said that the rule making individuals prove recent recovery from a coronavirus infection or display a vaccine certificate to attend certain large events will stop, as well.



The Guardian reported, “The prime minister also told the Commons that the legal requirement on people with coronavirus to self-isolate would be allowed to lapse when the regulations expired on 24 March, and that date could be brought forward.”

England To Scrap Most COVID Restrictions, Boris Johnson Announces | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

Nothing like a distraction in the middle of a series of political scandals. What BJ's for today, he could be radically against tomorrow. It just depends on whether its good for BJ or not, nothing else comes into his reasoning.