Vaccine

Yesterday at 7:58 AM
Any thoughts on whether Omicron surging cases ( although evidence so far indicates it has mild symptoms ) will impact High School soccer in the next few weeks?

And for those who will comment that this isn’t a major doomsday subject and I agree it isn’t, this is a soccer forum and I’m curious about the potential impact on HS soccer .”

I posted the above yesterday. The replies said HS sports in Calif would not be shut down .

Grace T posted this an hour or so ago :
“Looks like Washington DC may go full remote schools (dc mayor floated it this morning). A handful of school districts in Massachusetts and new york are cancelling sports.”

Considering that Blue states tend to follow each other and the Calif Gov loves to lead the pack , does Graces post change any opinions on Calif HS sports ?
 
Kicker 2.0 said:
Isn’t that their choice? Their decision to make?

You claim this “holier than thou” position that your endangering others by not being vaccinated. THAT HAS BEEN SCIENTIFICALLY DISPROVEN. Read that slowly and let it sink in.

So I ask again, for those that choose not to vaccinate, how does their decision affect you or anyone else for that matter?
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Your understanding of the science on vaccinated transmission is in error. And you are still in error, even if you put it in all caps.

Reread whichever article you believe shows vax transmission is equal to unvax. Most likely, it tells you that peak viral load is the same, which it is.

But the duration is different, and the probability of infection is different. The total effect is not the same at all. Unvax end up being more transmissive.
 
dad4 said:
Your understanding of the science on vaccinated transmission is in error. And you are still in error, even if you put it in all caps.

Reread whichever article you believe shows vax transmission is equal to unvax. Most likely, it tells you that peak viral load is the same, which it is.

But the duration is different, and the probability of infection is different. The total effect is not the same at all. Unvax end up being more transmissive.
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That's not the relevant question. The relevant question is how much more transmissible the unvaxxed end up being vis-a-vis the vaccinated against a highly infectious strain with a very high R0 (aren't you the one that always trotted out the goal is to get the R0 below one). Subquestions include peak viral load (you said the same), duration (for omicron low for both), average viral load, effectiveness of the vaccines in stopping transmission (for omicron low and declining even with boosters), effectiveness of the vaccines in stopping illness (again low and declining even with boosters). If vaccination reduces the R0 for omicron from R10 to R8 (or R6) that's still not going to help, undermining the entire rationale for vaccination at least as a means for stopping transmission (as opposed to prevention of serious illness, which is only applicable for a certain [large] part of the population, particularly with the omicron which early data indicates is less severe for both vaxxed and unvaxxed).

It's the total final numbers you end up with (severity and transmissibility) that matter, not the decline, because a percent of a large number is still a large number.
 
dad4 said:
Your understanding of the science on vaccinated transmission is in error. And you are still in error, even if you put it in all caps.

Reread whichever article you believe shows vax transmission is equal to unvax. Most likely, it tells you that peak viral load is the same, which it is.

But the duration is different, and the probability of infection is different. The total effect is not the same at all. Unvax end up being more transmissive.
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Unhealthy UnVax ((UUV)) is contagious from what my Doc says. A Healthy UnVax ((HUV)) person is no threat to himself or to others. In fact, I have a big appointment with my Doc and we are going to take a good luck at my body from the inside. I will report back next year with his findings.
 
dad4 said:
Your understanding of the science on vaccinated transmission is in error. And you are still in error, even if you put it in all caps.

Reread whichever article you believe shows vax transmission is equal to unvax. Most likely, it tells you that peak viral load is the same, which it is.

But the duration is different, and the probability of infection is different. The total effect is not the same at all. Unvax end up being more transmissive.
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Actually, your understanding of science is still in error. Your use of a singular approach in aggregate is weak and incomplete. Science deals in, and accounts for, variables such as age, health etc. Science does not support your opinion, emotions do.
 
Desert Hound said:
Seems to be a thought that escapes you.

Based on how you post and respond you act as if risk is spread equally throughout the population. Which is why you never had an issue with school closures.

A lot of things escape you. Or you simply troll.
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Mostly, we just disagree with you about whether "4.3% of all deaths" is the same thing as "ZERO!!!".
 
Desert Hound said:
Seems to be a thought that escapes you.

Based on how you post and respond you act as if risk is spread equally throughout the population. Which is why you never had an issue with school closures.

A lot of things escape you. Or you simply troll.
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Mostly, we just disagree with you about whether "4.3% of all deaths" is the same thing as "ZERO!!!".
 
MicPaPa said:
Actually, your understanding of science is still in error. Your use of a singular approach in aggregate is weak and incomplete. Science deals in, and accounts for, variables such as age, health etc. Science does not support your opinion, emotions do.
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Boooooom!!!! Mic PaPa, you get "Top Science Rebuttal" award for 2021.
 
dawson said:
Yesterday at 7:58 AM
Any thoughts on whether Omicron surging cases ( although evidence so far indicates it has mild symptoms ) will impact High School soccer in the next few weeks?

And for those who will comment that this isn’t a major doomsday subject and I agree it isn’t, this is a soccer forum and I’m curious about the potential impact on HS soccer .”

I posted the above yesterday. The replies said HS sports in Calif would not be shut down .

Grace T posted this an hour or so ago :
“Looks like Washington DC may go full remote schools (dc mayor floated it this morning). A handful of school districts in Massachusetts and new york are cancelling sports.”

Considering that Blue states tend to follow each other and the Calif Gov loves to lead the pack , does Graces post change any opinions on Calif HS sports ?
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This is not a good sign. I'm sure the leaders of Team Fear here in CA are experiencing some serious FOMO. CA has led the way in restrictions relative to infections. I'm not convinced we'll see a statewide mandate but if there is one, CA would be at the top of that list. If infections rise, expect the usual suspects of counties to do what they have been doing when infections rise - including canceling outdoor sports such as soccer that even @dad4 thinks are relatively safe.
 
dad4 said:
Your understanding of the science on vaccinated transmission is in error. And you are still in error, even if you put it in all caps.

Reread whichever article you believe shows vax transmission is equal to unvax. Most likely, it tells you that peak viral load is the same, which it is.

But the duration is different, and the probability of infection is different. The total effect is not the same at all. Unvax end up being more transmissive.
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Answer the question……
 
dad4 said:
Mostly, we just disagree with you about whether "4.3% of all deaths" is the same thing as "ZERO!!!".
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It was never going to be ZERO!!!!

The numbers however clearly show that the vast majority of the population have very little to worry about. And that is another problem you seem to always have.

And that is understanding RISK. And based on risk making appropriate decisions.

The media, politicians and people like you talk about covid as a threat to everyone. Implying that the risk is spread equally. And going with that assumption make policies that affect everyone, and some groups more than others (remote learning for kids).

And yet the data tells us where the risk lies.

And the overwhelming majority of our population has little to no risk if they are healthy. If you have serious health issues and are younger than 60, your risk profile goes up. And these are the people that have by and large passed away in this age group.

The reality is a rather small percentage of our population make up the overwhelming number of deaths.

As stated you have been terrible at assessing risk. And terrible at understanding or using any type of cost/benefit analysis. As GraceT points out, this is why we don't let people like you make big decisions. You can add up 2+2, but are not good at applying that to real world data/risk/cost/benefit analysis.
 
Now most people look at headlines. The don't read much. Or at the least question what they are reading or watching.

By that I mean looking at the actual data.

Take the big O. Headlines have been screaming about it.

Yet so far the variant has turned out to be very mild. Typical symptoms are rather cold like.

But daily you see headlines like these from Drudge today.

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dad4 said:
Mostly, we just disagree with you about whether "4.3% of all deaths" is the same thing as "ZERO!!!".
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Actually that's not the relevant measure. It should be compared to percent of age group population not percent of deaths. In that case its virtually zero for most age groups. Certainly 19 and under.
 
CDC just dropped a hammer on the cruise industry. Is advising because of omicron for everyone regardless of vaccination status to avoid cruising right now

a. It’s another implicit acknowledgement that the vaccines don’t stop transmission/infection
b. Cruising is impossible so long as we care about cases. You can wind up catching it even on a shore excursion and wind up having to spend your cruise quarantined
 
Grace T. said:
Hmmmm…Nyc also hit a record…I seem to recall joe Biden promised he would “shut down the virus, not the country”. Must be the work of the evil Ron de santis.
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Biden said Peace Out to Covid earlier in the week, and left for vacation ....Major BDE from him
 
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