Vaccine
- Thread starter Multi Sport
- Start date
I'll also note that testing positive < number of cases - maybe much less if omicron is truly "milder". Further, I'd guess many that aren't vaccinated also don't get tested unless the symptoms are significant whereas vaccinated folks are more likely to test as soon as they have any symptoms - and some even when they don't have symptoms since that appears to be a "symptom".
Using hospitalizations as a proxy, from the SA study I posted earlier, it appears among the vaxxed hospitalizations are about 80% lower than with the Delta....unvaxxed about 20%-45% (depending on if you screen out prior natural immunity).
Yup!! My buddy sold his business because he saw this coming. Boss made me come in and now I have Covid. I felt forced to take jab to keep my job but now I paralyzed on my left side. Another employee will complain of chest pains and it's the boss is fault for making him take booster. This is just getting started and it's nasty.Most of these "got me sick" law suits don't ever go anywhere because it's hard to prove you caught COVID or any other illness from a particular person or at work (and not say on the bus on the way to work). If this case goes forward, it will be a nightmare for employers for everything from the flu to RSV and for schools as well. Also would be a recipe for permanent masking in the workplace. It is a narrow decision on whether to go forward in a workers comp lawsuit or general court, but still.......
Employer must face worker's lawsuit over husband's Covid death — California court
A California candymaker must face a lawsuit by an employee who says she caught Covid-19 at work and gave it to her husband, resulting in his death.www.cnbc.com
It will be moot, but they won’t admit it. Omicron will have peaked before SCOTUS releases a ruling.
thirteenknots
SILVER ELITE
thirteenknots
SILVER ELITE
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
More good news.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Those damn San Franciscans need to be more like the Mormons in SLC.California's cases are rising, led by the cesspole that is Los Angeles. Interestingly, despite vaxx rate and masks and generally behaving more like Asia, San Francisco rising rapidly too (we'll see if it peaks earlier)
California Omicron surge arrives as cases spike, officials warn of tough weeks ahead
'Within the next two weeks, it's almost all going to be Omicron,' says Los Angeles County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer.www.latimes.com
It would be interesting to know how "symptomatic" those that are vaccinated are before they get the test in SF. In Silicon Valley / SF you are basically at the epicenter of future Howard Hughes'. Is there anything that indicates certain areas are testing at a higher rate relative to the rest of the country? I know of companies that require weekly tests in the area. I'm guessing that might not be the case in many other areas of the country. I suppose the positivity rate would give some indication.
Desert Hound
DA
The following is coming out
Shows how gov wanted to kill off other scientists. Disturbing is an understatement. They had rather well known scientists issue the Great Barrington Declaration and so had to find a way to paint these people as fringe.
Total corruption.
--
In public, Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins urge Americans to “follow the science.” In private, the two sainted public-health officials schemed to quash dissenting views from top scientists. That’s the troubling but fair conclusion from emails obtained recently via the Freedom of Information Act by the American Institute for Economic Research.
The tale unfolded in October 2020 after the launch of the Great Barrington Declaration, a statement by Harvard’s Martin Kulldorff, Oxford’s Sunetra Gupta and Stanford’s Jay Bhattacharya against blanket pandemic lockdowns. They favored a policy of what they called “focused protection” of high-risk populations such as the elderly or those with medical conditions. Thousands of scientists signed the declaration—if they were able to learn about it. We tried to give it some elevation on these pages.
That didn’t please the lockdown consensus enforced by public-health officials and the press. Dr. Collins, the director of the National Institutes of Health until Sunday, sent an email on Oct. 8, 2020, to Dr. Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
Shows how gov wanted to kill off other scientists. Disturbing is an understatement. They had rather well known scientists issue the Great Barrington Declaration and so had to find a way to paint these people as fringe.
Total corruption.
--
In public, Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins urge Americans to “follow the science.” In private, the two sainted public-health officials schemed to quash dissenting views from top scientists. That’s the troubling but fair conclusion from emails obtained recently via the Freedom of Information Act by the American Institute for Economic Research.
The tale unfolded in October 2020 after the launch of the Great Barrington Declaration, a statement by Harvard’s Martin Kulldorff, Oxford’s Sunetra Gupta and Stanford’s Jay Bhattacharya against blanket pandemic lockdowns. They favored a policy of what they called “focused protection” of high-risk populations such as the elderly or those with medical conditions. Thousands of scientists signed the declaration—if they were able to learn about it. We tried to give it some elevation on these pages.
That didn’t please the lockdown consensus enforced by public-health officials and the press. Dr. Collins, the director of the National Institutes of Health until Sunday, sent an email on Oct. 8, 2020, to Dr. Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
Desert Hound
DA
“This proposal from the three fringe epidemiologists . . . seems to be getting a lot of attention – and even a co-signature from Nobel Prize winner Mike Leavitt at Stanford. There needs to be a quick and devastating published take down of its premises,” Dr. Collins wrote. “Is it underway?”
These researchers weren’t fringe and neither was their opposition to quarantining society. But in the panic over the virus, these two voices of science used their authority to stigmatize dissenters and crush debate. A week after his email, Dr. Collins spoke to the Washington Post about the Great Barrington Declaration. “This is a fringe component of epidemiology,” he said. “This is not mainstream science. It’s dangerous.” His message spread and the alternative strategy was dismissed in most precincts.
Dr. Fauci replied to Dr. Collins that the takedown was underway. An article in Wired, a tech-news site, denied there was any scientific divide and argued lockdowns were a straw man—they weren’t coming back. If only it were true. The next month cases rose and restrictions returned.
Dr. Fauci also emailed an article from the Nation, a left-wing magazine, and his staff sent him several more. The emails suggest a feedback loop: The media cited Dr. Fauci as an unquestionable authority, and Dr. Fauci got his talking points from the media. Facebook censored mentions of the Great Barrington Declaration. This is how groupthink works.
These researchers weren’t fringe and neither was their opposition to quarantining society. But in the panic over the virus, these two voices of science used their authority to stigmatize dissenters and crush debate. A week after his email, Dr. Collins spoke to the Washington Post about the Great Barrington Declaration. “This is a fringe component of epidemiology,” he said. “This is not mainstream science. It’s dangerous.” His message spread and the alternative strategy was dismissed in most precincts.
Dr. Fauci replied to Dr. Collins that the takedown was underway. An article in Wired, a tech-news site, denied there was any scientific divide and argued lockdowns were a straw man—they weren’t coming back. If only it were true. The next month cases rose and restrictions returned.
Dr. Fauci also emailed an article from the Nation, a left-wing magazine, and his staff sent him several more. The emails suggest a feedback loop: The media cited Dr. Fauci as an unquestionable authority, and Dr. Fauci got his talking points from the media. Facebook censored mentions of the Great Barrington Declaration. This is how groupthink works.
Desert Hound
DA
On CBS last month, Dr. Fauci said Republicans who criticize him are “really criticizing science, because I represent science. That’s dangerous.” He isn’t “science.” And it’s also dangerous for scientific officials to mobilize to quash dissent, without which it’s easy to make tragic mistakes. A scientific debate over pandemic policy was and still is in the public interest, especially during a once-in-a-century plague.
Focused protection of nursing homes and other high-risk populations remains the policy road not taken during the pandemic. Perhaps this strategy wouldn’t have prevailed if a debate had been allowed. But it isn’t enough to repeat, as Dr. Collins did on Fox News Sunday, that advocates are “fringe epidemiologists who really did not have the credentials,” and that “hundreds of thousands of people would have died if we had followed that strategy.”
More than 800,000 Americans have died as much of the country followed the strategy of Drs. Collins and Fauci, and that’s not counting the other costs in lost livelihoods, shuttered businesses, untreated illnesses, mental illness from isolation, and the incalculable anguish of seeing loved ones die alone without the chance for a family to say good-bye.
Rather than try to manipulate public opinion, the job of health officials is to offer their best scientific advice. They shouldn’t act like politicians or censors, and when they do, they squander the public’s trust.
www.wsj.com
Focused protection of nursing homes and other high-risk populations remains the policy road not taken during the pandemic. Perhaps this strategy wouldn’t have prevailed if a debate had been allowed. But it isn’t enough to repeat, as Dr. Collins did on Fox News Sunday, that advocates are “fringe epidemiologists who really did not have the credentials,” and that “hundreds of thousands of people would have died if we had followed that strategy.”
More than 800,000 Americans have died as much of the country followed the strategy of Drs. Collins and Fauci, and that’s not counting the other costs in lost livelihoods, shuttered businesses, untreated illnesses, mental illness from isolation, and the incalculable anguish of seeing loved ones die alone without the chance for a family to say good-bye.
Rather than try to manipulate public opinion, the job of health officials is to offer their best scientific advice. They shouldn’t act like politicians or censors, and when they do, they squander the public’s trust.
Opinion | How Fauci and Collins Shut Down Covid Debate
They worked with the media to trash the Great Barrington Declaration.
www.wsj.com
Desert Hound
DA
By the way for as much dad pats himself on the back about the bay area vs so cal, the results are not much different.
Desert Hound
DA
By the way for as much dad pats himself on the back about the bay area vs so cal, the results are not much different.
So with all their extra precautions cases are about the same.
Deaths? Different. But that is related to health of population, demographics, etc.
But note...and this is important, their policies have lead to about the same amount of cases vs so cal. And further note dad will tell you so cal compared to the bay area is doing it the wrong way.
Look at the charts above.
Bars? Restaurants?
Dad your excuse to explain this away?
So with all their extra precautions cases are about the same.
Deaths? Different. But that is related to health of population, demographics, etc.
But note...and this is important, their policies have lead to about the same amount of cases vs so cal. And further note dad will tell you so cal compared to the bay area is doing it the wrong way.
Look at the charts above.
Bars? Restaurants?
Dad your excuse to explain this away?
Desert Hound
DA
So Bay area far stricter vs So Cal.
And dad has been talking up less deaths in their area as proof they are doing it right.
And yet as the data shows cases per 100k are very similar.
In other words the policies in the bay area didn't produce less cases vs the more open la county.
Dad?
Interesting no?
Not much to explain.
The guy who made these graphs for you trimmed off the part where they differ. That's why it starts in July 2021 instead of March 2020.
If you look at deaths per Capita, the two are not at all similar.
SF has 77 deaths per 100K
LA has 274 deaths per 100K (3.5X as high)
Why do you bother posting this garbage? Did you actually think it was a strong argument?
The guy who made these graphs for you trimmed off the part where they differ. That's why it starts in July 2021 instead of March 2020.
If you look at deaths per Capita, the two are not at all similar.
SF has 77 deaths per 100K
LA has 274 deaths per 100K (3.5X as high)
Why do you bother posting this garbage? Did you actually think it was a strong argument?
Which his followers boo him over....
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
I suppose they all needed to be loyal sheep like Fauci’s followers?