Vaccine

Here is the other thing. CA does this because of the holidays, wishing it makes a difference. It won't.

Bar and restaurant traffic will be about the same. You know what people do during the holidays? Go to people's houses. The mask thing won't change that equation. More people will be visiting friends in the #1 transmission spot.. people's houses.

And you know what people aren't going to do? Wear a mask at their friends house. Or move activities outside.
 
Take a look at Newsom’s mask rule. It lasts all of one month. It’s pretty clearly trying to limit delta transmission over the holidays, and that’s about it.

It also has no particular enforcement mechanism. He assumes that most of us will just put on our masks
So this time stuff like this will make a difference?

Please.

After 2 yrs of watching stuff like this you should know it won't change the trajectory of the virus.
 
Lausd has officially postponed its mandate to next school year. Another mandate falls.
By the way. Shouldn't they be asked what changed ( besides the politics)?

If it was so important to mandate it, and now they backed off, they should be forced to articulate why. One assumes it was vital for safety as to their reason to mandate initially. So why the change?

If parents were not complying, that would still not change why they mandated initially. ..right?

Yes we know kids have zero risk. But despite that, these officials should be forced to explain the reasoning to mandate, and now to hold off.
 
But despite that, these officials should be forced to explain the reasoning to mandate......
Shouldn't be hard for educated folks at LAUSD to articulate why they ignored the entire history of respiratory diseases caused by the 55 million year old corona virus. Is it because it would trigger termination? It should. Cowards.
 
Why would a mask rule cut into business?

You just buy some disposables and keep them by the front desk.

Are people down there actually still abusing the wait staff whenever they ask you to mask up? I would have hoped we'd gotten past that kind of behavior by now.
At some point, your cowardly behavior must cease.
 
But hey lets rush out and mandate boosters, etc now.


An Oxford University study published on Monday found that two-dose COVID-19 vaccines generate a lower antibody response against the omicron strain, suggesting that the variant could lead to more infections among the fully vaccinated and previously infected.

The research, which has not yet been peer-reviewed, documented a "substantial fall" in the number of neutralizing antibodies among participants who received two doses of the AstraZeneca or Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines.

 
I admit that a certain percentage of selfish people will keep the virus alive by ignoring public heath recommendations. You will almost certainly be among them.
Been watching any sports lately? Notice packed arenas/stadiums, etc?

More and more people are bowing to the reality of the virus and human nature (ie socialize).

It is precisely those reasons why lockdowns, masks, etc were never going to stop the virus.

And now they are pushing people to take boosters to try to limit delta and omicron despite the fact that vax was designed to combat alpha.

Hey...take last years flu shot to fight this new strain of flu is the thinking apparently.

An Oxford University study published on Monday found that two-dose COVID-19 vaccines generate a lower antibody response against the omicron strain, suggesting that the variant could lead to more infections among the fully vaccinated and previously infected.

The research, which has not yet been peer-reviewed, documented a "substantial fall" in the number of neutralizing antibodies among participants who received two doses of the AstraZeneca or Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines.

news.yahoo.com

Two-dose vaccines don't induce enough antibodies against omicron: research
An Oxford University study published on Monday found that two-dose COVID-19 vaccines generate a lower antibody response against the omicron strain, suggesting that the variant could lead to more infections among the fully vaccinated and previously infected.The research, which has not yet been...
news.yahoo.com
news.yahoo.com
 
Been watching any sports lately? Notice packed arenas/stadiums, etc?

More and more people are bowing to the reality of the virus and human nature (ie socialize).

It is precisely those reasons why lockdowns, masks, etc were never going to stop the virus.

And now they are pushing people to take boosters to try to limit delta and omicron despite the fact that vax was designed to combat alpha.

Hey...take last years flu shot to fight this new strain of flu is the thinking apparently.

An Oxford University study published on Monday found that two-dose COVID-19 vaccines generate a lower antibody response against the omicron strain, suggesting that the variant could lead to more infections among the fully vaccinated and previously infected.

The research, which has not yet been peer-reviewed, documented a "substantial fall" in the number of neutralizing antibodies among participants who received two doses of the AstraZeneca or Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines.

news.yahoo.com

Two-dose vaccines don't induce enough antibodies against omicron: research
An Oxford University study published on Monday found that two-dose COVID-19 vaccines generate a lower antibody response against the omicron strain, suggesting that the variant could lead to more infections among the fully vaccinated and previously infected.The research, which has not yet been...
news.yahoo.com
news.yahoo.com
Yes. Both stadiums and hospitals are packed. It’s quite the coincidence. Maybe some day science will have an explanation for what’s happening.
 
Yes. Both stadiums and hospitals are packed. It’s quite the coincidence. Maybe some day science will have an explanation for what’s happening.
Nope. Since football season has started with full attendance cases and hospitalizations have decreased significantly. Has to be bars and restaurants.
 
Nope. Since football season has started with full attendance cases and hospitalizations have decreased significantly. Has to be bars and restaurants.
Or at a min this is what happened.

dad and others predicted a spike. Never happened. By their models it should have. And yet it didnt.
 
I guess it just depends what part of sciency things "scientist" choose to explain to you.
Most of it is pretty clear by now.

It’s a respiratory virus that spreads in indoor spaces and is dangerous mostly to older and overweight people. If infected and unvaccinated, odds of death are less than 1%, but greater than 0.1%. We have vaccines that reduce your odds of deaths by 90% or more, and reduce transmission by something less than that. Masks reduce transmission, but simply being outside is considerably more effective. Being indoors in crowded spaces increases transmission, especially if you are unmasked and talking or singing.

None of this is in serious dispute.

Which leaves people like hound just denying basic facts, like whether covid spreads well in bars. And you have multiple people arguing things like “well of course that would save lives. But we aren’t going to do it, and you can’t make us. So there.”
 
Which leaves people like hound just denying basic facts, like whether covid spreads well in bars. And you have multiple people arguing things like “well of course that would save lives. But we aren’t going to do it, and you can’t make us. So there.”
You misunderstand again.

You want to live life with conditions in place. What you advocate will not eliminate the virus.

We are going to have to live with it. Like we do with all the other diseases we have.

As such more and more people refuse to be limited by rules that really won't stop the virus.

We vote to live life without pointless restrictions.
 
None of this is in serious dispute.

Which leaves people like hound just denying basic facts, like whether covid spreads well in bars. And you have multiple people arguing things like “well of course that would save lives. But we aren’t going to do it, and you can’t make us. So there.”
The other thing NOT in serious dispute is that masks and social distancing, lockdowns, limiting biz will NOT eliminate the virus.

That is your key stumbling block. None of the above will eliminate it.

And yet that is what you want to do continue to do...advocate solutions that really dont work and cause more harm vs help.

If you woke up to reality you would understand that we are simply going to have to live with the virus and MOVE ON.

If you want to get vaxxed do so.

If you have already gotten the virus you are even better protected as the studies now seem to indicate.

Either way...your solution will not eliminate the virus. Why pursue actions that make little to no difference combating the virus, but do have rather negative consequences for society as a whole.

The rest of us look at the reality of the situation and say well those restrictions dont work, the vast vast majority have little to no risk...may as well move on and live life as normal.

And that is what you are seeing. Increasing numbers of people around the world saying enough is enough. And in the US it isn't just the red states saying that. Happening everywhere.
 
Case in point dad about moving on.

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Then you also had yesterday CO tossing in the towel so to speak on the issue. I am sure you remember reading that.

You can look at the trends, or try to continue to swim upstream on this.
 
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