In VC a lot of businesses that are non-chains are ignoring it. I wonder how this is going to play out particularly in red leaning areas.
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In VC a lot of businesses that are non-chains are ignoring it. I wonder how this is going to play out particularly in red leaning areas.
You do know the difference between being the first and being the most significant? And of course that's not my complaint and you know that.
See new statewide restriction being applied to San Diego for another arbitrary restriction.
I suspect enforcement will come from other customers (aka Karens and Brandons) and not from employees. Small businesses are not interested in being the face diaper (see South Park) police.
Desert Hound
DA
For starters before one mandates anything there should be LONG TERM studies on it.
It is not ethical to mandate vaccines to a population that has little actual risk to the virus.
The yelp and open table wars in VC are interesting. Some businesses are breaking into the pro/anti mask camp and being skewered by the other side in the reviews. I suspect this is going to be a particular problem in the Jefferson counties, which will outright disregard the rule.
what-happened
GOLD
Who is attacking you? You are entitled to your opinion and your choices. Your problem is you live in a very linear world. There is much more nuance to this disease than you would like. This is the first time that many people have actually experienced an event that may threaten their lives. Even practicioners are scared.I‘m not denying that vaccinated immunocompromised people are dying. They are. And the rest of us could choose to prevent most of those deaths by getting vaccinated and masking up. Expect this board to attack anyone who proposes it.
But that is not the majority of the deaths. The vast majority of the deaths are people who were not vaccinated. The unvaccinated risk of infection is over 5X as high as for the vaccinated. The unvaccinated risk of death is about 14x as high as the unvaccinated.
COVID Data Tracker
CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.covid.cdc.gov
I think it’s entirely fair to say that delta has become a pandemic of the unvaccinated, which then leaks over into the vaccinated population.
The linear approach to the management of this disease has put us right where we are. The idea that we wait for a vaccine to save humanity is ridiculous and borderline unethical. Early treatement of any disease is the standard. We've decided this is not the case for this event. Why?
Would widespread adoption of vaccines prevented more deaths - of course.
Same as before. Blue areas will enforce the mandate. Red areas won’t.
It’s the flip of immigration law. One party likes the law and tries to help enforce it. The other party disagrees with the law, and does their best to undermine it.
That one depends on the area. Around here, everyone just does it. Enforcement is the wrong word. In six months, I’ve only seen one person walk into a store without a mask. The clerk offered him a free mask, and the guy said thanks. That was it.
Maybe other areas have people who would verbally abuse or assault the clerk in that case.
what-happened
GOLD
It is 100% arbitrary and hardly passes the sciency test.
what-happened
GOLD
splain..
"Red America has largely stopped debating any new Covid-19 measures. But Blue America has not yet figured out whether it wants normality, what it can live with, and at what cost to them electorally and economically
www.nationalreview.com
A Tale of Two Democrats: Jared Polis and Kathy Hochul | National Review
The Colorado governor restores a sense of proportion to the Covid debates. New York’s governor shows off her ‘vaxed’ necklace and reimposes mandates.
www.nationalreview.com
An article in National Review explaining Democratic thought is about as useful as NYT’s artcles explaining how Republicans think. In both cases, the author just doesn’t get it."Red America has largely stopped debating any new Covid-19 measures. But Blue America has not yet figured out whether it wants normality, what it can live with, and at what cost to them electorally and economically
A Tale of Two Democrats: Jared Polis and Kathy Hochul | National Review
The Colorado governor restores a sense of proportion to the Covid debates. New York’s governor shows off her ‘vaxed’ necklace and reimposes mandates.
Take a look at Newsom’s mask rule. It lasts all of one month. It’s pretty clearly trying to limit delta transmission over the holidays, and that’s about it.
It also has no particular enforcement mechanism. He assumes that most of us will just put on our masks.
Now, will this work in your area? That’s a different question.
I remember this dance. Just like 14 days to slow the spread, then a month, then...well you know how it goes until Joe Biden's mask for 100 days.
The enforcement mechanism is the counties. Some counties may defy it. Will be curious to see if Orange, San Diego, San Bernardino go along with it, but that's the pressure point. Then the other pressure point is either corporations (who have a compliance rule that they need to cooperate with local regs...which is why for example the chains are enforcing the mask mandate in VC while some smaller businesses are saying F it) or licensing (I suspect things have gotten lax in VC because unlike LA they aren't pulling licenses, but I have no data to support this).
Just a month...during prime season for a lot of indoor businesses. Some businesses make or break is during this time period. Insanity.
Dad4 I'll buy you takeout next time your in San Diego if it lasts only a month.
Just to add, you can't use cases spiking as an excuse for extending the mask mandate. I fairly confident that cases will spike because of the time of the year, and masks will do nothing to stop it.
Desert Hound
DA
I think a better explanation is that despite not a farming/ranch area, people in your area are sheep. Blindly wearing masks everywhere, despite not being at risk.
Polling shows that Dems extremely overestimate the actual risk if the virus. I bet this belief is even higher in your area.
Why would a mask rule cut into business?
You just buy some disposables and keep them by the front desk.
Are people down there actually still abusing the wait staff whenever they ask you to mask up? I would have hoped we'd gotten past that kind of behavior by now.
Desert Hound
DA
Because masks are bad for biz. People don't want to wear them and many avoid going to places where they are required.
Further...this mandate won't make a difference in terms of the spread. It is another useless gesture
Bruddah IZ
DA
Exactly. Socialist dumb.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Adopting Socialism has always been a source of mass murder by cowards like you.
Desert Hound
DA
The other thing about these pointless rules.
When you listen to the pharma CEO s they talk about reduction if death. And that is true.
They don't talk much about elimination if the virus.
The reality is we are going to have to live with the virus.
Every couple of months doing a mask mandate or limiting X, isn't going to make a difference in terms of the spread.
Those actions will however hurt biz, hurt kids, etc etc.
When you listen to the pharma CEO s they talk about reduction if death. And that is true.
They don't talk much about elimination if the virus.
The reality is we are going to have to live with the virus.
Every couple of months doing a mask mandate or limiting X, isn't going to make a difference in terms of the spread.
Those actions will however hurt biz, hurt kids, etc etc.