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Restrictions of scientific free speech will inevitably lead to restriction of any speech deemed detrimental to freedom, as Murthy described it. David Rubin was banned from Twitter for a week in July for predicting that the Biden administration would impose a federal vaccine mandate. In September, Biden announced such a mandate and is now telling businesses to ignore the court-ordered pause to it. While Paul’s offending statement was a scientific one, Rubin’s was merely an opinion.-- Brendan Purdy
 
Grace T. said:
Fair but given the way the Trump question was phrased, and given that it's PBS, would you bet a $100 they were expecting that answer? $1000? $10,000?
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You knew what was in her mind before she said anything? We have a word for that.

And who is Cernovich anyway that you would echo him?

Full interview here -- (the excerpted part starts about 16:00)

 
watfly said:
That's an IQ issue not a risk acceptance issue, but we shouldn't base policies on them either.

How many actually ate horse paste vs took Ivermectin intended for human use? I suspect that the horse paste story is more of a cute anecdote for the leftists to regurgitate as an ad hominem against anti-vaxxers and anti-mandaters.
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The horse paste story originated in reports from poison response centers.
 
Grace T. said:
a. you have no right to be healthy. Illness is part of the human condition. It's been a part of the human condition for millenia
b. this presumption that somehow we can control illness is a new thing. It's the height of arrogance. It goes along with our tech....somehow we seem to think it removes us from our animal past and the state of nature. News flash...when the s goes down...we are all apes.a
c. it's great to not eat processed foods! If anything, process foods tends to be high in calories and waste line more than anything seems to impact COVID results.
d. organics/whole foods though are a bit of a gimmick. 1. They aren't necessarily healthier than the nonorganics....sure you can have a pesticide concern but the impact on your health is very small....if you live in a city you are inhaling more carcinogens from the air pollution in the city than you are from your food....2. sure you can have an antibiotic concern but you run more likely of picking up a disease if you cook your food improperly, and 3. if you care about climate change what's worse is your are a hypocrite....GMO foods consume less water and produce less waste and don't necessarily make an impact on your health. So yes I will make fun of you if you say you are all in on climate change but then promote organics/whole foods. You not only aren't assessing risk properly, you are killing the planet.
e. hats off to vegetarians. If you can keep your weight up, you are not only eating healthy, you are sparing the animals, and you are helping out the planet. Respect
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No right to be healthy? That's a pretty extreme position.
 
watfly said:
That's an IQ issue not a risk acceptance issue, but we shouldn't base policies on them either.

How many actually ate horse paste vs took Ivermectin intended for human use? I suspect that the horse paste story is more of a cute anecdote for the leftists to regurgitate as an ad hominem against anti-vaxxers and anti-mandaters.
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He's a troll. Don't expect anything else from him.
 
espola said:
I refuse (so far) to just lie down and die, but my doctor handed me some Final Instructions papers on a decent visit.

And please continue. You're doing great today.
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Sounds like, at the edge of the precipice, you are in a little bit of denial, huh? It's sad...my mom's the same way. You have my sympathies. It's a tough issue.
 
Grace T. said:
Sounds like, at the edge of the precipice, you are in a little bit of denial, huh? It's sad...my mom's the same way. You have my sympathies. It's a tough issue.
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What causes me to have issues with the forms is that some of the procedures that would be excluded actually kept me alive in 2018.
 
Grace T. said:
You were the one that tried to distinguish Los Angeles on the basis of a different virus and demographics so why would you compare that to a country the size of the United States and throw everything all in. The point is with the Delta, and with their population masked, they still had an out break (which if it follows other populations is likely to simmer for a while, and notwithstanding the seasonal suppression effects (see Australia, New Zealand, Vietnam). That means no herd immunity. It may very well be vaccines helped limit the amount of cases...but still and outbreak, no herd immunity.

p.s. the jury BTW is still out on natural immunity ---> herd immunity. We so far only have really the limited UK data Dr. John cited. Eyes should be on India. If they go into another wave (given the extent of their prior outbreaks) that should tell us whether natural immunity can lead to herd immunity or not.
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Singapore had an outbreak?

Their "outbreak" is about 1/20 the size of ours, even after adjusting for population.

That's like pointing to someone with a 1570 SAT and saying "See. She missed questions, too."
 
dad4 said:
Singapore had an outbreak?

Their "outbreak" is about 1/20 the size of ours, even after adjusting for population.

That's like pointing to someone with a 1570 SAT and saying "See. She missed questions, too."
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Hard to determine if you are in denial, are trying to deliberately gas light or just are so blind logically you don’t see it. The point isn’t that they don’t do better than the us (of course with that vaxx rate even if you throw out everything pre delta they will do better). The point is with the masks and with the high vaxx rate they still had an outbreak which is ongoing!!!
 
Grace T. said:
Hard to determine if you are in denial, are trying to deliberately gas light or just are so blind logically you don’t see it. The point isn’t that they don’t do better than the us (of course with that vaxx rate even if you throw out everything pre delta they will do better). The point is with the masks and with the high vaxx rate they still had an outbreak which is ongoing!!!
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These aren't the droids you are looking for.
 
Grace T. said:
Hard to determine if you are in denial, are trying to deliberately gas light or just are so blind logically you don’t see it. The point isn’t that they don’t do better than the us (of course with that vaxx rate even if you throw out everything pre delta they will do better). The point is with the masks and with the high vaxx rate they still had an outbreak which is ongoing!!!
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That's my point. With their mask acceptance and their vax rate, they did much better.

What would have happened here if we had behaved like they behaved? We could have done much better, too.
 
dad4 said:
What does it say? Nothing. With millions of visitors and 33K locals, it’s all noise and no signal. Even the vax rate is all noise. A tiny fraction of people getting vaccinated while on holiday would be enough to mess up the counts.

If you want to know whether breakthrough cases are rare, take a look at Watfly’s MN page. SCC also breaks out the vaccinated case rate from the unvax. For SCC, the jab reduces your odds of a positive test by about 82%: from 33.7 per 100K to 6.2 per 100K.

COVID-19 Case Rates by Vaccination Status - Emergency Operations Center - County of Santa Clara

covid19.sccgov.org covid19.sccgov.org

It’s an 80% reduction. I’ll let you worry about whether that counts as “rare” or not.
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You’re babbling.
 
dad4 said:
That's my point. With their mask acceptance and their vax rate, they did much better.

What would have happened here if we had behaved like they behaved? We could have done much better, too.
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Then you pulled an espola and aren't focused on the issue. The issue is whether there is such a thing as herd immunity. Singapore shows that there isn't.

We agree that if more people vaxx they'll be less death, less hospitalization, and yes even less cases....less cases does not mean, however, it goes away and less cases does not mean the vulnerable are suddenly off scott free.
 
dad4 said:
Singapore had an outbreak?

Their "outbreak" is about 1/20 the size of ours, even after adjusting for population.

That's like pointing to someone with a 1570 SAT and saying "See. She missed questions, too."
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p.s. how do you know my sat score??? Been snopping??? :)
 
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