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...wait, what? this can't be right, must be a one-off... gotta be from the only Trump MAGA bureaucrat in the CDC...whew, SQUIRREL!

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Soccermaverick said:
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Quite possibly the worst article ever written that attempts to explain the orgins of SARS-CoV-2. Based on the article, it was immaculate conception.

Never mind that after 2 years of investigation, there isn't a shred of evidence that SARS-CoV-2 has existed anywhere for its inaugural appearance in Wuhan. There haven't been bats, intermediate species, nothing with what resembles SARS-CoV-2. Plenty of bats with relatives of SARS-CoV-2 though.

Crazy how quickly SARs intermediate hosts were identified back in 2003, along with signs of infections in animal traders. This time around...nothing. I guess it's hard to track/investigate all of this kind of stuff when it's "safely" contained in a level 4 facility. It's just silly to connect an acting the fool virus never seen before to a facility that houses crazy acting viruses and recieves funding for this type of stuff. Way too much tin foil hat conspiracy for the masses.
 
Grace T. said:
I did. You chose to ignore it several times I pointed you to it

you:” I don’t like it when you read the parts of the study I don’t like or point out conclusions I don’t like to see. You misinterpret things when you go against my interpretation”.
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You have posted, and misrepresented, quite a few studies by now.

If I didn't respond to your characterization of the Texas study, it just means I no longer believe you when you post a study.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
Pure science, pure mathematics, pooh. If you want to play with the output you don't get to away from the process and claim to be looking at the data. So we keep going. If individual variation within the cohorts was greater than any intrinsic difference in protection arising from modes of immune system priming it would bin in unpredictable ways between the cohorts. You would see a lot of variation in the studies because you would not be evaluating what you thought you were. So the CDC looked at extant cohort studies in a comprehensive way and that's what they walked away with. So when you say the Texas study, the Danish study, etc I'm thinking there goes Grace chasing noise. In a cohort study, the significance you are talking about is only relevant to the group of people comprising the cohort. Whether it has predictive value outside the cohort is what you need to be looking for.
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Sounds good. Maybe they should increase the mandates so that they can start jailing people after they take away the jobs they went to school for on the governments dime.
 
dad4 said:
You have posted, and misrepresented, quite a few studies by now.

If I didn't respond to your characterization of the Texas study, it just means I no longer believe you when you post a study.
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it’s okay dad. Between you and Grace, we know who the socialist is. Your credibility was DOA.
 
dad4 said:
You have posted, and misrepresented, quite a few studies by now.

If I didn't respond to your characterization of the Texas study, it just means I no longer believe you when you post a study.
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At this point why do we need to rely on studies when we have a ton of actual data that speaks for itself? Either side can cite a study to support their position. For example,look at the Israeli infected immunity study vs the US study.

The data clearly shows that children have zero risk and 95% of those that died had on average 4 other causes of death. Call me a simpleton but thats pretty much all I need to know to live my life.
 
Grace T. said:
It’s a fair point but one of the reasons dad and I have been grasping at straws has been because of the censorship going on in the scientific community. Remember the danish mask study was pulled from publication (twice!) before they found a publisher because the publishers are afraid to go against the party line. You see the same thing in reluctance for longest time for the scientific community to look at ivermectin or even today the vaccine side effects. You gotta admit that self censorship is not cool from a scientific point of view. Otherwise by now we really would have better data about masks and instead what we have is the garbage propaganda the cdc keeps putting out
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If chasing data is what you're after it is hard to believe that in the most intensely studied public health event in human history you'd be left grasping at straws. I punched "ivermectin COVID" into PubMed and got 300+ hits. Plenty to chew on, so to speak. There's good money in repurposed drugs too. FDA approval for a new use is a hell of a lot cheaper. But from what you say I rather get the sense that the pandemic has been more like one big X-files episode for you. I think there is this one show where Scully is like "as a physician I am here to tell you the internet is not good for you".
 
watfly said:
At this point why do we need to rely on studies when we have a ton of actual data that speaks for itself? Either side can cite a study to support their position. For example,look at the Israeli infected immunity study vs the US study.

The data clearly shows that children have zero risk and 95% of those that died had on average 4 other causes of death. Call me a simpleton but thats pretty much all I need to know to live my life.
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They like to support their doom and gloom by comparing this pandemic to itself. Hilarious. Experts at tyrannical policies for tiny risk.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
If chasing data is what you're after it is hard to believe that in the most intensely studied public health event in human history you'd be left grasping at straws. I punched "ivermectin COVID" into PubMed and got 300+ hits. Plenty to chew on, so to speak. There's good money in repurposed drugs too. FDA approval for a new use is a hell of a lot cheaper. But from what you say I rather get the sense that the pandemic has been more like one big X-files episode for you. I think there is this one show where Scully is like "as a physician I am here to tell you the internet is not good for you".
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Remember the episode where the CDC compared this pandemics lockdowns and mandates to the last pandemic lockdowns and mandates?
 
crush said:
Dogs & Cats get half off
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Oh, it's much much worse. Reverse zoonoses. But I'd pay money (well, maybe not too much) for a show where Ted Nugent stumbles around the woods using soft tip arrows to vaxx the deer.

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SARS-CoV-2 exposure in wild white-tailed deer (Odocoileus virginianus)

Widespread human SARS-CoV-2 infections combined with human–wildlife interactions create the potential for reverse zoonosis from humans to wildlife. We targeted white-tailed deer ( Odocoileus virginianus ) for serosurveillance based on evidence these deer have angiotensin-converting enzyme 2...
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"With their draconian measures focused on one thing, stopping COVID cases at all costs instead of considering all of health harms, and a shocking lack of critical thinking about the science, this was a reckless abuse of public health and a moral failure in what should be expected from public health leaders," Atlas said. "Inflicting enormous harms with lockdowns and restrictions, they failed to protect the elderly, they failed to stop the spread of the infection, they failed to stop the deaths - all the while destroying lower income families and sacrificing the health of our children, while sparing the affluent and the elite."

Atlas added that "trust in America’s institutions has been severely damaged."

"Science itself has been politicized, while universities and the media prohibit the free exchange of ideas necessary to solve future crises," Atlas said.
 
crush said:
"Science itself has been politicized, while universities and the media prohibit the free exchange of ideas necessary to solve future crises," Atlas said.
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This is what the anti-immune system folks willingly ignore in their studies. Free exchange of ideas are useless if you're going to mandate and escalate draconian policies.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
This is what the anti-immune system folks willingly ignore in their studies. Free exchange of ideas are useless if you're going to mandate and escalate draconian policies.
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This was all planned to destroy the middle class and the very foundation of our country. This place was set up to allow ALL citizens a chance at freedom and expression. No freedom unless you obey and take jabs and boosters forever. This is insane. The fence sitters just sit there and allow this.
 
crush said:
This was all planned to destroy the middle class and the very foundation of our country. This place was set up to allow ALL citizens a chance at freedom and expression. No freedom unless you obey and take jabs and boosters forever. This is insane. The fence sitters just sit there and allow this.
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Not just our country. Novus Ordo Seclorum
 
Reflecting here on moral responsibility, I have referred to "we." For it has never occurred to me that the moral responsibility falls much less heavily on those of us on the American left than it fell on Comrade Stalin and those who replicated his feats in one country after another. And I am afraid that some of that moral responsibility falls on the "democratic socialists," "radical democrats," and other left wingers who endlessly denounced Stalinism but could usually be counted on to support— "critically," of course—the essentials of our political line on world and national affairs.--Genovese
 
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