Vaccine

any unified theory of what happened in Arizona has to account for what happened in New Mexico as well. New Mexico did relatively well compared to Arizona but it's lockdowns were as harsh as California and they had a limited travel ban in place plus New Mexico (unlike Texas, AZ, and California) isn't really a surge zone for southern border crossings due to the location of its cities. Relative to California (with it's SoCal variant) or even neighboring Colorado (which pursued a much more moderate policy) it's not a good outcome.
To understand NM, you need to look at what changed in Sept 2020. Cases, hospitalizations, and deaths were low in NM from March to September.

Then, around mid September, cases took off on a 2 month exponential. Levels jumped 30X, settled at 20X.

Makes you wonder what changed in NM in early September 2020.
 
...with over 300 pages, aside from the simpleton comments sure to follow, is anyone willing to admit they sincerely had their mind changed by anything on this thread?
 
To understand NM, you need to look at what changed in Sept 2020. Cases, hospitalizations, and deaths were low in NM from March to September.

Then, around mid September, cases took off on a 2 month exponential. Levels jumped 30X, settled at 20X.

Makes you wonder what changed in NM in early September 2020.
... I'd say more to do with the virus itself than NM or any states/countries... generally, Covid seems to be on a cycle with 60ish day spikes...not due to measures or lack thereof, but in spite of them. *Non-scientific of course, just my hypothesis.
 
Wow...the fear to what amount to a bad cold...seems more annoyed at the restrictions than anything from having a family member test positive....I'm still aghast that some people think zero COVID is still possible.

Reading that one just had to shake their heads.

He and his wife live in fear. They are training their kids to live in fear.

It is amazing to read his thought process about everything. And basically everything is scary.
 
Can’t talk LA with you guys. Every time, you want to compare a high density city with the cal.20C variant against some low density place with the base C variant.

So, you want to run a 1v1 comparison, but you refuse to acknowledge that you picked two places with two different diseases. No discussion is possible under those terms.
Mandates don’t require scientific discussions
 
There's little doubt in my mind that the vaccine is useful but the way it is presented in this story gives a false sense of how useful it is.

"Only 3% of 1.5 million positive COVID-19 tests examined since mid-January occurred in people who were already vaccinated."

Mid-January? What percent were vaccinated in mid-January? It was also changing pretty quickly at that point as well. It would give a much clearer picture of the current usefulness of the vaccine if they also gave the numbers since the last surge starting about mid-July. At that point, the number of people vaccinated was not changing quickly, and those who wanted to get the vaccine had ample opportunity to do so.
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...with over 300 pages, aside from the simpleton comments sure to follow, is anyone willing to admit they sincerely had their mind changed by anything on this thread?
Sure. Not all of them recent, but-

-Cloth masks are significantly less effective than medical.

-Public NPI strategies are less effective than they seem. Even if they have a tremendous impact outside the home, the net impact is less because the inside the home transmissibility stays the same.

-The restrictions on outdoor activity went way too far, and may have actually increased transmission.

-Overall we were way too hard on kids and way too easy on adults.

-At some point, give up on the expensive NPI. The cost is the same, but you’ve already infected so many people there isn’t much benefit left to be had.

How about you?
 
Well, everything other than never-ending governmental "emergency" powers. That's comforting as history has shown there's nothing to be afraid of in that scenario.

Don't worry, those types of people will be fine....close them blinds and down your pill(s). The government (pharma) will make sure you are taken care of and appropriantly reliant on their services.
 
...with over 300 pages, aside from the simpleton comments sure to follow, is anyone willing to admit they sincerely had their mind changed by anything on this thread?
It's a good question. My thoughts on the virus have definitely evolved from the beginning and this thread (and its predecessors) played a part in that as I saw sources I hadn't seen from others' posts. Once you get beyond the obvious one-dimensional trolls, it also gives me a perspective of how others are thinking. The most obvious things that come to my mind are the wide range of risk tolerance, risk assessment, and desired level of self-reliance.
 
Sure. Not all of them recent, but-

-Cloth masks are significantly less effective than medical.

-Public NPI strategies are less effective than they seem. Even if they have a tremendous impact outside the home, the net impact is less because the inside the home transmissibility stays the same.

-The restrictions on outdoor activity went way too far, and may have actually increased transmission.

-Overall we were way too hard on kids and way too easy on adults.

-At some point, give up on the expensive NPI. The cost is the same, but you’ve already infected so many people there isn’t much benefit left to be had.

How about you?

-We couldn't develop and deploy a vaccine in under a year. The deployment would be logistically difficult because of the vaccine stability temperatures.

-While I predicted and timed and measured the depth of the stock market collapse perfectly, I was surprised how quickly the markets recovered. I underestimated that money didn't have anywhere to go.

-There may not be a herd immunity threshold. If there is one it's so high it's likely a target we keep moving away from as immunity (both vaccine and natural)fade. The peaks on the curves therefore seem to be more time based than the number of people who come down with it.

-Biden would be more capable than Trump of managing the end of the pandemic. While I think which one would have handled things better is debatable, I was surprised how stunningly bad Biden turned out to be in it

-Very harsh NPIs actually do work (whether the early ones in Europe or the early ones in Australia), at least against the prime. It's not just homes that make the NPIs difficult....it's work....you are spending almost as much time shoulder to shoulder with people if you are working in person. If you are working shoulder to shoulder with the fry cook at McDonald's who's sick, you are going to get it too. To be effective, you pretty much have to shut down everything except the most essential of services (read no liquor stores or weed shops or airplanes and trains or fast food or nonessential Amazon warehouses or another big one which ultimately led to Australia's undoing, construction). The problem with doing that is that it tanks your economy in a matter of weeks so can only be reserved for preserving the hospital system which is in danger of collapse.

-I'm surprised despite the promises we don't have variant specific booster yet

-I'm most surprised how much we don't know yet. Such as, how long do boosters work, what exactly is behind long COVID, a definitive word on Ivermectin one way or another (and HDQ for that matter, one way or another). I hadn't realized how much medicine really still is this much in the dark ages.
 
So here is part of the "unintended" consequences of shutting stuff down and printing cash.

I wonder who gets hurt the most with inflation?


New wholesale inflation numbers from September are in and once again prove the rapid increase in prices for everyday items isn't "transitory" as President Joe Biden has repeatedly claimed.
Wholesale prices rose by 8.6 percent compared to September 2020, matching the largest increase on record.

"The Labor Department reported Tuesday that its producer price index -- which measures inflation before it hits consumers -- rose 0.6% last month from September, pushed higher by surging gasoline prices. Excluding volatile food and energy prices, wholesale inflation was up 0.4% in October from September and 6.8% from a year ago," the Associated Press reports. "More than 60% of the September-October increase in overall producer prices was caused by a 1.2% increase in the price of wholesale goods as opposed to services. A 6.7% jump in wholesale gasoline prices helped drive goods prices up."


But no worries our press is on it and letting us know not to worry.

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So here is part of the "unintended" consequences of shutting stuff down and printing cash.

I wonder who gets hurt the most with inflation?


New wholesale inflation numbers from September are in and once again prove the rapid increase in prices for everyday items isn't "transitory" as President Joe Biden has repeatedly claimed.
Wholesale prices rose by 8.6 percent compared to September 2020, matching the largest increase on record.

"The Labor Department reported Tuesday that its producer price index -- which measures inflation before it hits consumers -- rose 0.6% last month from September, pushed higher by surging gasoline prices. Excluding volatile food and energy prices, wholesale inflation was up 0.4% in October from September and 6.8% from a year ago," the Associated Press reports. "More than 60% of the September-October increase in overall producer prices was caused by a 1.2% increase in the price of wholesale goods as opposed to services. A 6.7% jump in wholesale gasoline prices helped drive goods prices up."


But no worries our press is on it and letting us know not to worry.

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Whatever you do, don't light a match.
 
So here is part of the "unintended" consequences of shutting stuff down and printing cash.

I wonder who gets hurt the most with inflation?


New wholesale inflation numbers from September are in and once again prove the rapid increase in prices for everyday items isn't "transitory" as President Joe Biden has repeatedly claimed.
Wholesale prices rose by 8.6 percent compared to September 2020, matching the largest increase on record.

"The Labor Department reported Tuesday that its producer price index -- which measures inflation before it hits consumers -- rose 0.6% last month from September, pushed higher by surging gasoline prices. Excluding volatile food and energy prices, wholesale inflation was up 0.4% in October from September and 6.8% from a year ago," the Associated Press reports. "More than 60% of the September-October increase in overall producer prices was caused by a 1.2% increase in the price of wholesale goods as opposed to services. A 6.7% jump in wholesale gasoline prices helped drive goods prices up."


But no worries our press is on it and letting us know not to worry.

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I listen to the idiots in the press discuss inflation all the time. Not a single one attributes an increase in prices to an increase in the money supply. An increase in money supply ALWAYS precedes an increase in prices and hurts savers and the poor the worst.
 
I listen to the idiots in the press discuss inflation all the time. Not a single one attributes an increase in prices to an increase in the money supply. An increase in money supply ALWAYS precedes an increase in prices and hurts savers and the poor the worst.
Agree with everything except your all caps word. Inflation is usually, but not always, preceded by an increase in the money supply.

You can get inflation just from a decline in the size of the economy. Think contracting empires with fiat currency. Same money supply, but fewer places which accept it.

Severe price shocks to key imported goods can cause inflation, too. The price shock itself starts inflation. Then the government has to decide whether to make the recession worse or make the inflation worse.
 
Agree with everything except your all caps word. Inflation is usually, but not always, preceded by an increase in the money supply.

You can get inflation just from a decline in the size of the economy. Think contracting empires with fiat currency. Same money supply, but fewer places which accept it.

Severe price shocks to key imported goods can cause inflation, too. The price shock itself starts inflation. Then the government has to decide whether to make the recession worse or make the inflation worse.
 
Rankings of states for covid deaths per capita, after adjusting for age.

It does not adjust for variant, SES, or population density.


Florida and Arizona ends up looking better, but Texas ends up looking a lot worse. #2, between MS and AL.
 
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