Vaccine

Hüsker Dü said:
Numbers are numbers. What did they get wrong?
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I don't have a problem with numbers. I have a problem with labels. Petty politics played by both sides is gross and doesn't do anything positive for public health. Blood is on the hands of both parties. It's what happens when politics become entangled with medicine.

It's clear that you relish the partisan body count.
 
And for a little humor...

F. Joe Biden violated Royal Protocol by releasing gas in the presence of a Royal without first intoning the proper British augury ("Would that this chance wind should speed the arrows of Agincourt").

and this line in a British article is funny.

He is supposed to be committed to reducing emissions – but when President Joe Biden produced a little natural gas of his own at the COP26 summit, it was audible enough to make the Duchess of Cornwall blush.

An informed source has told The Mail on Sunday that Camilla was taken aback to hear Biden break wind as they made polite small talk at the global climate change gathering in Glasgow last week.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...g-President-break-wind-chat-Cop26-summit.html
 
what-happened said:
I don't have a problem with numbers. I have a problem with labels. Petty politics played by both sides is gross and doesn't do anything positive for public health. Blood is on the hands of both parties. It's what happens when politics become entangled with medicine.

It's clear that you relish the partisan body count.
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Choices have consequences, whatever the reason for the choice.
 
crush said:
Prayers up the Governor. I heard some conspiracy theories out there but no need to bring those up. I 100% hope he's doing ok after his last booster shot.
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theories are fun

stevekirsch.substack.com

Gavin Newsom was out of sight likely because he had Guillain-Barré from his booster shot

They said he had personal issues to attend to... like half his face was paralyzed? Our best guess from all the evidence is vaccine-induced Guillain-Barré kept him from public view for almost 2 weeks.
stevekirsch.substack.com stevekirsch.substack.com
 
Desert Hound said:
Why exactly is UT so much better off vs CA again? It didn't follow CA model.

NM a state you highlighted has done far worse than CA. And yet they followed the CA model. And to be honest were less open this summer vs CA.

UT is ranked 7th in cases per million over the course of this whole thing.

I wonder if it has more to do with the health of the overall population instead of mandates that don't work?

Why does CO with more cases have less deaths per million vs CA?

You like to claim that your preferred solution is all mandates and that they work. The reality is location, health of a population plays the key role it appears in actual outcomes.

The reality is the virus is and will spread. It will affect the elderly and specifically those who are rather ill. Nothing was going to change that.

The only thing that made a difference is that...
A) closure of schools was not a good deal for kids
B) killing off biz and hurting others is not good policy
C) printing trillions of dollars is not good policy vis a vis the debt, inflation, etc
D) our supply chain for many key items has been disrupted
E) related to B we have hurt employment
F) etc

All of the above are not desirable outcomes. Especially in light of the fact that we were never going to stop the spread of the virus. People will look back later and say what fools we were to shutter everything.

The best we could have hoped for is to isolate those at risk that wanted to be. Outside of that it is just a matter of when not if someone gets infected with the virus.
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You seem to want to talk about every single SW state except Arizona.

Why is that? No state pride?
 
dad4 said:
You seem to want to talk about every single SW state except Arizona.

Why is that? No state pride?
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We have an unusually high death rate on the reservations. People on the reservations have a history of not being terribly healthy. NM is another state that has significant deaths on reservations. Both states took vastly different approaches. And yet outcomes are not that different.

I am a big fan of AZ. Outside of a couple weeks at the beginning of the school yr last yr they were in school full time. Your kid and most in CA didn't have that luxury.

That right there is check and mate over CA. My kids didn't suffer getting stuck wasting a yr not going to school, hanging with friends in school, playing sports, both HS and club.
 
dad4 said:
You seem to want to talk about every single SW state except Arizona.

Why is that? No state pride?
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Besides supply chain issues we now have started to experience inflation.

So again the people that can least afford a rise in prices get screwed.

Our gov response has created many many negative consequences that seem to surprise only those who have only a passing acquaintance with economics.
 
Desert Hound said:
Besides supply chain issues we now have started to experience inflation.

So again the people that can least afford a rise in prices get screwed.

Our gov response has created many many negative consequences that seem to surprise only those who have only a passing acquaintance with economics.
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Take a look at overall container shipping counts. Port of LA is only about 2% below the peak of 2018.

Container Statistics | Port of Los Angeles

Provided statistic breakdowns include annual and monthly container counts (in TEUs1) dating back to 1995. Container counts for years 1980-1994 are provided in calendar year totals only.
www.portoflosangeles.org www.portoflosangeles.org

The supply chain issue is not that we stopped making and shipping stuff. We’re still shipping the same amount of stuff we ever did.

The change is that we are all trying to buy more stuff than usual. Stuck at home with nothing to do but spend our stimulus checks on garbage from China.
 
Desert Hound said:
We have an unusually high death rate on the reservations. People on the reservations have a history of not being terribly healthy. NM is another state that has significant deaths on reservations. Both states took vastly different approaches. And yet outcomes are not that different.

I am a big fan of AZ. Outside of a couple weeks at the beginning of the school yr last yr they were in school full time. Your kid and most in CA didn't have that luxury.

That right there is check and mate over CA. My kids didn't suffer getting stuck wasting a yr not going to school, hanging with friends in school, playing sports, both HS and club.
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...@dad4 sees coddling kids as a virtue...one of the main problems with the current generation.
 
Grace T. said:
Sounds like the reverse of you and Los Angeles :)
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Can’t talk LA with you guys. Every time, you want to compare a high density city with the cal.20C variant against some low density place with the base C variant.

So, you want to run a 1v1 comparison, but you refuse to acknowledge that you picked two places with two different diseases. No discussion is possible under those terms.
 
dad4 said:
Take a look at overall container shipping counts. Port of LA is only about 2% below the peak of 2018.

Container Statistics | Port of Los Angeles

Provided statistic breakdowns include annual and monthly container counts (in TEUs1) dating back to 1995. Container counts for years 1980-1994 are provided in calendar year totals only.
www.portoflosangeles.org www.portoflosangeles.org

The supply chain issue is not that we stopped making and shipping stuff. We’re still shipping the same amount of stuff we ever did.

The change is that we are all trying to buy more stuff than usual. Stuck at home with nothing to do but spend our stimulus checks on garbage from China.
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If you attribute supply chain issues to people buying stuff when sitting at home.. I don't know where to begin.
 
dad4 said:
Can’t talk LA with you guys. Every time, you want to compare a high density city with the cal.20C variant against some low density place with the base C variant.

So, you want to run a 1v1 comparison, but you refuse to acknowledge that you picked two places with two different diseases. No discussion is possible under those terms.
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Ie, “I don’t want talk about Los Angeles because it undermines my idea we can control the virus with masks and shutting indoor dining. I want to talk about Arizona”.
 
Grace T. said:
Ie, “I don’t want talk about Los Angeles because it undermines my idea we can control the virus with masks and shutting indoor dining. I want to talk about Arizona”.
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If you only want to talk LA, I could easily make the case that the Bay Area had lower deaths last winter because San Jose and SF had better mask compliance than LA.

But that argument would be bull crap, because SF had a different variant than LA. We had the easy variant and you had the hard one.

Comparing disease A against disease B just isn't valid. It's invalid if I do it, and it's invalid if you do it.
 
dad4 said:
If you only want to talk LA, I could easily make the case that the Bay Area had lower deaths last winter because San Jose and SF had better mask compliance than LA.

But that argument would be bull crap, because SF had a different variant than LA. We had the easy variant and you had the hard one.

Comparing disease A against disease B just isn't valid. It's invalid if I do it, and it's invalid if you do it.
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Yet you constantly trot out Arizona rather than take your own advice. ^\_(;?)_/^
 
dad4 said:
Take a look at overall container shipping counts. Port of LA is only about 2% below the peak of 2018.

Container Statistics | Port of Los Angeles

Provided statistic breakdowns include annual and monthly container counts (in TEUs1) dating back to 1995. Container counts for years 1980-1994 are provided in calendar year totals only.
www.portoflosangeles.org www.portoflosangeles.org

The supply chain issue is not that we stopped making and shipping stuff. We’re still shipping the same amount of stuff we ever did.

The change is that we are all trying to buy more stuff than usual. Stuck at home with nothing to do but spend our stimulus checks on garbage from China.
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It would be interesting to see what is being bought at a higher rate, or at the same rate but in short supply for additional demand. However, I believe the supply and sales of new cars are down due to insufficient supply of computer chips.
 
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