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[kickingandscreaming]

Not sure how you sleep at night . You could have pulled my and Espola's fence sitter move and just abstained from voting for President. Your lucky your vote for President is meaningless in California, or our friendship would be on the rocks. I almost went libertarian in last election before I realized that guy was a few fries short.

Be honest, you just did it to save face with your neighbors. You need to get out of NoCal, you're being corrupted.

Ha! I haven't seen any of my neighbors in over 20 months. I'm pretty sure they are all still there from the Uber Eats and Amazon deliveries to their doors No, we don't spend much time with our neighbors. I know a few casually as I do my own yard work. I would never discuss politics with any of them. People are too crazy nowadays. I could definitely see a few of them reporting distancing violations from people on walks in the neighborhood - as has happened.

Dude, a few fries short was head and shoulders above the other candidates. I probably wouldn't have voted at all but my wife talked about being an example for our daughter, yada, yada, yada. Here was how I arrived at voting for Hilary. I asked myself if my one vote would make a difference in getting H or T elected, would I feel better about not voting for either and T winning? I had to laugh when Trump won. I remember thinking that nominating Trump was the biggest gift to Hilary. Turns out it was the other way around. Of course, if you listened to the media, you would have thought Trump didn't stand a chance. Show how out of touch they are.

 

[Desert Hound]

And yet it was invented by Spanish speakers.

That may be the dumbest thing you have ever said.

Is there a point you are trying to make?

Most surfers realize you shouldn't be out when there are great whites around attacking other surfers.

Your comeback? You do realize some surfer still surf when sharks are around.

You are consistent though. Rarely ever make a logical or coherent post. Don't change. Oh and yeah MORE GOVERNMENT is your other consistency.

 

[EvilGoalie 21]

There is something seriously wrong with you.

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Oh come now. Check out below. See? Surely you can't be that cold. Just another largely hairless mammal helpless and alone in the world, hungry for nurturing and love. And if you line up the sequences for the Ace2 receptor, you'll see that deep down we're really not that different after all.

 

[EvilGoalie 21]

i couldn't tell you the exact orders of magnitude. Do the exact numbers really even matter this point? I can only tell you that given the evidence in front of us at the current time, one scenario is possible but would require a lot of variable to line up to make happen and is therefore highly unlikely at this point, and the other is not only possible but has a lot of evidence stacked up at this point. You have a little of one thing, a lot of the other.

It probably comes, BTW, from our respective training. You science types are taught to break it down into numbers...the numbers are all that matters. We lawyer types are taught to assess possible/not possible and which is likelier in our evaluation of evidence. The first year of law school is taught mostly to think critically and to identify problems. The second (where most people take evidence) is how to assess those problems (the third is mostly a waste by way of training but hey the law school has to make money). It's why you probably are advised against hiring a lawyer for a business role....they'll tell you all the problems with an idea instead of how to go forward.

Would it make you feel better if I said I ordered the code red?

 

[MARsSPEED]

Something you won't find on mainstream media.

Governor Dunleavy Issues Administrative Order Defending Alaska from Federal Government Overreach – Mike Dunleavy

gov.alaska.gov

 

[whatithink]

IMO his greatest accomplishment may have been energy independence. Not just fuel costs but geopolitically that was a home run in my book.

I honestly don't care who anyone voted for. I just find it annoying when someone denies the truth for purely partisan reasons.

Fuel costs were higher in 2017, 2018 & 2019 relative to the 3 preceding years under Obama. They dropped in 2020 as the world closed down. There is also a correlation between the oil price and the economic viability of fracking to get it out of the ground. So the higher price meant more fracking of marginal fields. Of course fracking is not exactly environmentally friendly, so removing regulations for the oil companies to make more money at higher prices to the detriment of any local environments and people, was a price worth paying for their profits "energy independence".

The current costs are partly to do with a surge in demand as the world opens up and the fact that the oil producers are making hay while they gradually increase production to meet the demand, i.e. they probably make more money with a "short" supply / high demand scenario, and do not want a surge in supply which would drive the price down.

Energy independence is also a bit of a "meh" for me. There is a strategic (defense) advantage in keeping our oil in the ground and using everyone elses as a hedge against a day when their's is all used up and we are still oil "rich". Practically we have more than enough energy production to meet any defense needs, so the independence thing is just a dog whistle.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

Something you won't find on mainstream media.

Governor Dunleavy Issues Administrative Order Defending Alaska from Federal Government Overreach – Mike Dunleavy

gov.alaska.gov

I’m old enough to remember when federal funding was taken from Alaska because the feds didn’t like Alaska’s marijuana laws.

 

[MARsSPEED]

Fuel costs were higher in 2017, 2018 & 2019 relative to the 3 preceding years under Obama. They dropped in 2020 as the world closed down. There is also a correlation between the oil price and the economic viability of fracking to get it out of the ground. So the higher price meant more fracking of marginal fields. Of course fracking is not exactly environmentally friendly, so removing regulations for the oil companies to make more money at higher prices to the detriment of any local environments and people, was a price worth paying for their profits "energy independence".

The current costs are partly to do with a surge in demand as the world opens up and the fact that the oil producers are making hay while they gradually increase production to meet the demand, i.e. they probably make more money with a "short" supply / high demand scenario, and do not want a surge in supply which would drive the price down.

Energy independence is also a bit of a "meh" for me. There is a strategic (defense) advantage in keeping our oil in the ground and using everyone elses as a hedge against a day when their's is all used up and we are still oil "rich". Practically we have more than enough energy production to meet any defense needs, so the independence thing is just a dog whistle.

Wrong. Gas prices were higher for 6 out Obama's 8 years as compared to Trump years. If you take inflation/cost of living into account, Obama actually had higher prices for all 8 years. Please research your facts. The one below are from Data Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Thanks.

Gasoline Prices Adjusted for Inflation | US Inflation Calculator

Gasoline prices are often very volatile with sharp swings in what American pay at the pump. The average price of gasoline dropped nearly 17% in 2020.

www.usinflationcalculator.com

 

[Grace T.]

Would it make you feel better if I said I ordered the code red?

I rather you tell us the tires couldnt have made those marks because of positraction.

 

[whatithink]

More personality over policy nonsense.

Let me try it this way by combining the two. Trump had a very clear record. Given his extensive list of policies and accomplishments, specifically where on that list, in order of importance to you, would you rank his personality and mean tweets?

Personality is important though. You can't just dismiss it. When you have a someone
- that starts his campaign with the murderers and rapists comment.
- is clearly misogynistic
- who enabled/encouraged/empowered white supremacists ("good people on both sides")
- who lied daily through his campaign and presidency
- who's whole political strategy is division.

Its not the presidency of some local jack&jill club. This is meant to be the leader of the nation.

WRT policy, I agreed with many things that were done. I did fine under his presidency and the economy was doing very well. He inherited something healthy and helped it get healthier. That's a good thing. Obama inherited a shit show, and Biden likewise.

I have voted both R & D, but there is zero chance I would have voted for trump. Clinton was a shit candidate, but I held my nose and voted for her. Biden is not a lot better, but again better than trump. Neither of those were policy based choices on my part.

I can ignore much in a politician, because they are politicians, but trump is a despicable excuse for a human being, imo, and I could never do anything to enable or encourage (by voting for) that as an example of our country.

 

[MARsSPEED]

We are also seeing the highest inflation rate since 2008 in 2021. I'm sure we all remember what happened in late 2008.

Current US Inflation Rates: 2000-2025

The annual inflation rate for the United States was 2.4% for the 12 months ending May, compared to the previous rate increase of 2.3%, according to U.S. Labor Department data published on June 11, 2025. The next inflation update is scheduled for release on July 15 at 8:30 a.m. ET, providing...

www.usinflationcalculator.com

 

[Hüsker Dü]

We are also seeing the highest inflation rate since 2008 in 2021. I'm sure we all remember what happened in late 2008.

Current US Inflation Rates: 2000-2025

The annual inflation rate for the United States was 2.4% for the 12 months ending May, compared to the previous rate increase of 2.3%, according to U.S. Labor Department data published on June 11, 2025. The next inflation update is scheduled for release on July 15 at 8:30 a.m. ET, providing...

www.usinflationcalculator.com

And the overwhelming majority are happier now, strange ain’t it? I guess not everyone is so desperate to attempt to spin reality into an image they prefer, they just accept it.

 

[whatithink]

Wrong. Gas prices were higher for 6 out Obama's 8 years as compared to Trump years. If you take inflation/cost of living into account, Obama actually had higher prices for all 8 years. Please research your facts. The one below are from Data Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Thanks.

Gasoline Prices Adjusted for Inflation | US Inflation Calculator

Gasoline prices are often very volatile with sharp swings in what American pay at the pump. The average price of gasoline dropped nearly 17% in 2020.

www.usinflationcalculator.com

I meant preceding 2 rather than 3 for Obama, my bad. They were trending down and then trended up under trump.

 

[MARsSPEED]

And the overwhelming majority are happier now, strange ain’t it? I guess not everyone is so desperate to attempt to spin reality into an image they prefer, they just accept it.

You are a special kind of stupid. Last time I checked, nobody likes to pay more for gas and groceries, especially at an alarming rate of inflation. Feel free to try to argue that people actually do like to pay more. That will be entertaining. If we keep on this pace, inflation will be at a 30 year high going back to 1990. All this in just the first year of a Democratic President and House along with a split Senate.

I honestly hope people like you stay fore front in the media. Come next year this time, we will have a conservative house and senate.

 

[MARsSPEED]

I meant preceding 2 rather than 3 for Obama, my bad. They were trending down and then trended up under trump.

Highest average gas price in history started in 2011, two years into Obama's term. That price did not go under the previous record until 2015. Not sure which side you are on but anyone who would argue for cheaper gas prices under Obama is a losing argument. However, Obama did do better in terms of overall inflation.

 

[whatithink]

Highest average gas price in history started in 2011, two years into Obama's term. That price did not go under the previous record until 2015. Not sure which side you are on but anyone who would argue for cheaper gas prices under Obama is a losing argument. However, Obama did do better in terms of overall inflation.

I'm not arguing for cheaper gas prices under Obama. Oil prices surged from 2008 onwards for 5-6 years. There's a variety of reasons for that. Practically speaking there's a lot of externals that drive oil prices and little any president (R or D) can do about them. Trump did initiate a lot of deregulation in the oil industry and that certainly helped.

Inflation is surging. Inflation in general isn't a bad thing, but obviously if its too high, that's not a good thing. Its a worldwide phenomena and fixing the supply chain issues should be a priority for the Biden admin & Congress. Its frankly very disappointing that this does not seem to be the highest priority. This should be a daily priority for them. The Ds will regret not trying to sort it out sooner in 12 months IMO.

 

[Desert Hound]

And the overwhelming majority are happier now, strange ain’t it? I guess not everyone is so desperate to attempt to spin reality into an image they prefer, they just accept it.

Take the tin foil hat off.

I know you get spoon fed your propaganda I mean news from the usual sources...but even the usual sources report it. This from NBC from their Oct 31st poll. The country is not happier now.

"In the poll, 42 percent of adults say they approve of Biden’s overall job as president — a decline of 7 points since August, with much of the attrition coming from key parts of the Democratic base."

"What's more, the survey finds that 7 in 10 adults, including almost half of Democrats, believe the nation is headed in the wrong direction, as well as nearly 60 percent who view Biden's stewardship of the economy negatively just nine months into his presidency."


"The poll finds 40 percent of Americans approving the president’s handling of the economy (down 7 points since August), and 51 percent approving of his handling of the coronavirus (down 2 points).

Maybe even more troubling for Biden, just 37 percent of adults give him high marks — on a 5-point scale — for being competent and effective as president, and only 28 percent give him high marks for uniting the country."

And it goes on and on.

From the recent Pew Report Polling:

"A majority of Americans now say that President Biden is not “mentally sharp,” according to a new poll from the Pew Research Center."

You are highly partisan. I am sure when you sit in the basement with you fellow friends you are all drinking the cool aide thinking this guy is great, the economy is great, thank God we have Biden.

Try to break out of your bubble sometime. You are the one trying to as you say "spin reality into an image they prefer".

 

[Hüsker Dü]

You are a special kind of stupid. Last time I checked, nobody likes to pay more for gas and groceries, especially at an alarming rate of inflation. Feel free to try to argue that people actually do like to pay more. That will be entertaining. If we keep on this pace, inflation will be at a 30 year high going back to 1990. All this in just the first year of a Democratic President and House along with a split Senate.

I honestly hope people like you stay fore front in the media. Come next year this time, we will have a conservative house and senate.

There’s that desperate spin, lol! You just can’t help yourself, you’ve been conditioned to do so . . . there are no bad dogs just bad trainers.

 

[Desert Hound]

Inflation is surging. Inflation in general isn't a bad thing, but obviously if its too high, that's not a good thing. Its a worldwide phenomena

Inflation is not a good thing for your average consumer.

It is a worldwide phenomena because over the past 2 yrs most of the advanced economies printed lots of money because their policies hurt economic activity.

And the idiots who run the country now think spending another couple of trillion on D wish list stuff will A) be a productive use of tax money and B) not affect inflation even more.

They even trotted out that their 3.5 trillion spending bill had a zero cost. As if...

There's a variety of reasons for that. Practically speaking there's a lot of externals that drive oil prices and little any president (R or D) can do about them. Trump did initiate a lot of deregulation in the oil industry and that certainly helped.

There actually is a lot presidents can do. Deregulation is a big driver.

The funny thing is with fracking and deregulation it helped bring our emission levels down to below what they wanted for the Paris Accords. Yet we did it without tying ourselves to the heavy regulation the left so desires. The main driver? We starting pulling a lot of natural gas out of the ground. It is both cheap and clean to use.

Further being energy independent is a good thing. It is far better to keep our money here vs filling the coffers of countries in the ME and Russia (the Euros get a lot of energy from them).

 

[crush]

I'm going to pull a fence sitter move and say why can't I have both?

If you forcing me to choose...right now I'd rather have mean tweets than President Schleprock.

t was acting bro. Just wait & see for yourself. I love you man P.S. No fence sitting allowed in debate either. Take a side and give your reasons why right. I will come back with why wrong. I use emotional bombs to hit folks right in the face and no one likes getting punched in the face online. However, it's needed now more than ever. This is way better then one of those old wars. I like being next to a warm fire place with hot coco, my wife and my dog Iccy Bear looking out at nature. I see you starting to see the truth. My pal Brandon ((no fun intended)) voted for BC, BO, HRC and JB. He came to the, "We The People" tent. We welcome all colors, all back grounds and we leave everyone alone to do as they please. I said long ago that either or is horrible. It's We The People and that is it bro. I love everyone, even my most evil critic, like that Golden Gate avatar. Dude is in my jock and I know why.

 

[crush]

Listen up. The greatest accomplishment t and his team did was ending the business of human trafficking. The election was stolen ((allowed to be stolen with cameras and Space Force from above)) to take these cheaters out btw. It had to be done this way. Hate t all you want today. I will predict all of you will be eating humble pie and crow because so brainwashed from the Tel A Vision. I'm truly shocked with many of you. I can't wait for so many of you to wake up some day and see the truth. That is my greatest joy I look forward to, the shock on so many people faces and the cries of joy and guilt, all in one.