Vaccine

N00B said:
Spend some time around an elder care facility some time.

It’s not political (other than in NY facilities during the first wave or death counts that don’t meaningfully impact life expectancy)… old people die. Often it is from primary causes (multiple) or just that little thing that was too much given all the other problems (flu, chest cold turned pneumonia, a fall, medication mismanagement/forgetfulness, Covid, diet, etc.)

This is NOT a pandemic of the unvaccinated. It is a pandemic of negative outcomes for the infirm and unvaccinated with co-morbidities (that includes those that need boosters due to lack of sufficient immunity from the primary vaccination).
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www.statnews.com

First Covid-19 outbreak in a U.S. nursing home raises concerns

Washington state reported the first U.S. death from the new #coronavirus, the first health care worker infected, and the first outbreak in a nursing home.
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First wave was in the Kirkland WA nursing home NOOB. I was staying in Kirkland Jan 20th-22, 2020. The next month the city I was hanging in the month before had the first outbreak. This put some scare in me, I won't lie. Plus, my whole plane was sick with Divoc-AI on the way back, I kid you not. I took the Rona home with me and just like the Amish, I infected my clan. We all got it and have never been sick again, I swear. This is when I really took my marriage and health serious and have lost 45 pounds bro. I quit eating meat all on my own because of what my wife had been telling me and my Doc pal, who told me the truth wants actually in the meat we eat. Today, I'm attacking my physical health like never before. I feel amazing. Light exercise like walking for one hour a day ((1/2 in the morning and 1/2 at night before I go nigh nigh)). I tell God and the Arch Angels, their Angels and all the others, "Thank you for everything. Please help my family and everyone else on the planet who wants honesty, truth, fairness, no more cheating, no more fake illnesses and viruses and most but not least, no more fear of the unknown. Too many people like Wat Fly who need to see IT to believe in IT or I like to say, "The GREAT I AM." That would take Jesus to come back or at least have his teaching rule the earth like Revelations predicts will happen for 1000 years. I also started to do light lifting. I want to look not only great on the outside, but more importantly, I want to shine from the inside. God told Samuel not to look at what people look at, the outside looks and money. "No!!!!!!" God said. God looks at the heart and people on earth only look at the outward appearance. We all got cheated the last year and half. Were coming on two years of all this. I was told by a really good military pal of mine that America has weak men not willing to take a stand yet. We need 80% of all America to say, "This is BS. Another friend of my wife just got canned from her job because she won't get jabbed."
 
GoldenGate said:
Are you saying that people shouldn't get vaccinated because it didn't save an 84 year old man with blood cancer?

As for Herman Cain, the award is named after him not because he died of Covid but because, unlike General Powell, he was a Covid denying shit poster who thought it would be fun to intentionally spread the virus all across America.
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What??? You are now Coo Coo 100%. Where did you get your law degree again?
 
crush said:
The "virus" was man made because of the election fraud bro and IT only follows the minds of evil men & woman WHO use kids as pawns and use dumb dumbs and those WHO like being non confrontational. Yes, even men like you wat fly that try and make nice with everyone and stay out of the debate. Are you still agnostic? Just wait, you will be see God bro and you won;t have to be in the middle anymore. God loves you Wat Fly, don;t forget that :) I think anyone with a brain today knows the truth by now. If your little brain is for one side only, well then you only will get that side of the fraud. Blind bats can;t do nothing.
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Yeah Watfly, how do you feel getting called out as stupid by the dumbest anti-vax/mask schmuck alive? It must feel good knowing you and crush share the same anti-vax/mask sentiments, although presumably you don't agree that a government made Covid because of election fraud since, uh, Covid existed for about a year before the election even happened.

How do all of you anti-vaxxers/maskers out there reconcile that you are on the same side as complete fucking lunatics like crush?
 
GoldenGate said:
Yeah Watfly, how do you feel getting called out as stupid by the dumbest anti-vax/mask schmuck alive? It must feel good knowing you and crush share the same anti-vax/mask sentiments, although presumably you don't agree that a government made Covid because of election fraud since, uh, Covid existed for about a year before the election even happened.

How do all of you anti-vaxxers/maskers out there reconcile that you are on the same side as complete fucking lunatics like crush?
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Well Wat Fly, what say you? Come on man, you can have EOTL and the evil that goes with him or you can come on over to the side of Crush. Yes, I have emotions for God and I love him and I write how I feel. You need more emotion in your life bro. Trust me dude, God is VERY emotional. The Ocean is much like the Lord. EOTL is from the Dark side of the moon. Crush lives in the light and denounces the evil bro. I'm hear for you or anyone else who wants to learn more about the light and God's true purpose for your life. This is all about, "MONEY!!!"

 
Thanks for starting my day with a good chuckle. My apologies for not picking one side out of two narratives. I choose to look at issues on a case by case basis and try to follow the data. I was born a skeptic so I question everything, rightly or wrongly.
 
A significant portion (2x the mask/vaccine refusers) of the unvaccinated are people who will wear masks but not get the vaccine. Another cost of the mask oversell....they've convinced a portion of the population they don't need to vaccinate because they are masked.

news.northeastern.edu

COVID contradiction: they wear masks, but won’t get vaccinated

People who wear face masks yet aren’t vaccinated from COVID-19 make up a substantial portion of the unvaccinated U.S. population.
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Grace T. said:
A significant portion (2x the mask/vaccine refusers) of the unvaccinated are people who will wear masks but not get the vaccine. Another cost of the mask oversell....they've convinced a portion of the population they don't need to vaccinate because they are masked.

news.northeastern.edu

COVID contradiction: they wear masks, but won’t get vaccinated

People who wear face masks yet aren’t vaccinated from COVID-19 make up a substantial portion of the unvaccinated U.S. population.
news.northeastern.edu news.northeastern.edu
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Common sense seems to be difficult concept for our policy makers to grasp. How many people went out in public knowingly sick thinking a mask would protect others?
 
Grace T. said:
A significant portion (2x the mask/vaccine refusers) of the unvaccinated are people who will wear masks but not get the vaccine. Another cost of the mask oversell....they've convinced a portion of the population they don't need to vaccinate because they are masked.

news.northeastern.edu

COVID contradiction: they wear masks, but won’t get vaccinated

People who wear face masks yet aren’t vaccinated from COVID-19 make up a substantial portion of the unvaccinated U.S. population.
news.northeastern.edu news.northeastern.edu
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You heard it here first. Covid deaths are the fault of people who are being prudent, not the anti-maskers/vaxxers. Good one.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
So people are being caused to die sooner due to Covid tipping the scale away from their favor? But not a pandemic . . . excuses, excuses, excuses.
If anything has come from the last 5 years it’s that some people have been convinced to feel free to find excuses for the craziest behaviors.
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Speaking of crazy behavior.
 
watfly said:
Common sense seems to be difficult concept for our policy makers to grasp. How many people went out in public knowingly sick thinking a mask would protect others?
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One of the issues I encountered going to an elite college and elite law school is that many of the elite lived (don't know if it's true anymore) very sheltered lives up to that point (since they had to work so hard to get there...whether at sports, arts or academics). Common sense intelligence was very lacking (I suppose I was capable of noticing it because I was the worst offender and therefore it was impossible not to notice it when I fell on my face).

Book smarts are not the same as street smarts and common sense and people had a dearth of it in these institutions. Throw in a sheltered life and lack of real life experience from many of them and it's a recipe for disaster.
 
Grace T. said:
One of the issues I encountered going to an elite college and elite law school is that many of the elite lived (don't know if it's true anymore) very sheltered lives up to that point (since they had to work so hard to get there...whether at sports, arts or academics). Common sense intelligence was very lacking (I suppose I was capable of noticing it because I was the worst offender and therefore it was impossible not to notice it when I fell on my face).

Book smarts are not the same as street smarts and common sense and people had a dearth of it in these institutions. Throw in a sheltered life and lack of real life experience from many of them and it's a recipe for disaster.
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At least you admit that you have no common sense. Did you ever actually practice law, or did you squander all your equestrian skills and attendance at an elite college and law school and continue to live off a trust fund and an ex husband?
 
Grace T. said:
One of the issues I encountered going to an elite college and elite law school is that many of the elite lived (don't know if it's true anymore) very sheltered lives up to that point (since they had to work so hard to get there...whether at sports, arts or academics). Common sense intelligence was very lacking (I suppose I was capable of noticing it because I was the worst offender and therefore it was impossible not to notice it when I fell on my face).

Book smarts are not the same as street smarts and common sense and people had a dearth of it in these institutions. Throw in a sheltered life and lack of real life experience from many of them and it's a recipe for disaster.
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No question that that is not uncommon, its why I rarely hired a 4.0 with no real life experience, and preferred to hire B students that worked their way through school.

But the oversell of masks goes beyond this. Masks are visible token that our policy makers are doing something about the pandemic and its a way to identify which camp you belong to. You and I see someone outside exercising with a mask and think, huh, and question that individuals sanity, but to each their own. Others on here pass someone hiking on a trail without a mask and think the person isn't taking the pandemic seriously and are putting everyone's life in danger.

Reality is that people are far more nuanced than that, and you don't know their motivations. Unfortunately, our society has devolved into a prisoner of two camps mentality (see GG for Exhibit A) that is being promoted by our politicians and media. You can't see a vaccine so masks are an easy way to place people in boxes.
 
watfly said:
Glad you recognize co-morbidities. According to the CDC, 95% of those who have died with Covid have an average of 4 other causes of death.
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Of whom none would have died but for Covid. Glad you don't give a shit about people with co-morbidities. Let's just kill them all in support of your anti-vax/mask crusade, am I right? The general had it coming since he had blood cancer and was such a loser anyway according to fearless leader. Powell should have just stayed home so that the real patriots can parade around without masks or vaccines.

Speaking of patriots....

https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/pjqx05
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/pri97t
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/q84yk3
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/q0iw7t
 
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