Vaccine

Damn, Chicken Little and I agree that the masking has been oversold.
Went to my maskless gym again tonite. It was busy with healthy folks. Then I saw them. An elderly couple without mask on the exercise bikes. Of course they were Asian. I reckon they were in their 80's and not given to being a wimp like our President.
 
This is the same study that has been posted here repeatedly, probably without people realizing it is the same one. Again, the entire conclusion rests on how ~260 cases bin between cohorts that number ~65000 each. In both cohorts, doubled vaxxed and previously infected, the central observation is that second infections are rare. Given that the events of interest (ie secondary infection) are very small, there are statistical issues and cohort matching issues associated with the study. These problems are touched upon at some length by various people posting within the comments section of the preprint server on which the study is posted. As of last week, the paper still remains under review. Given the length of time that has passed, it is possible that that the authors have been asked to provide extensive additional documentation, or to demonstrate that their findings actually have predictive value in a larger, random sampling.

That Science chose to highlight this study-as a preprint-is I think unfortunate, and an example of how the scientific community and journal editors need to adopt more rigorous best practices to ensure studies like this are not misappropriated. The immunologist quoted in the Science highlight (the one who says "don't try this home") is a leading figure in the field and, at the time this preprint was posted, was about to have a big paper coming out showing how the the clean up on aisle 5 that results from the massive cell lysis associated with viral infection stimulates formation of cellular structures that can then become super-primed by subsequent vaccination. So they were sort of interested in this type of synergy between infection and vaccination and I think that is why Science decided to highlight it. I was bothered by the cavalier attitude at Science and wrote the editor with like "do you realize what you are messing with". The response was largely, well, if the numbers don't hold up then it doesn't matter. But that's wrong. For this study it is now too late for whether the numbers are right.
And then there is the obvious and blinding age discrimination of the Corona virus.
 
600 million doses and $9.65B is policy incentive. Data sometimes plays second fiddle to corporate profits.
Obama Care was in a death $piral. Which means Health Care and Pharma are not far behind. Banks don't like their borrower$ to be a part of the $piral. So a bailout of the Healthcare industry via crisis is actually a bailout of the banks. Sound familiar? See the bank bailout in your rear view mirror? That's what happens when you drop cash on the economy disproportionate to goods and services in the economy.
 
No statistical difference in Florida school districts with masking.....

Ok, now tell us how large an effect would need to be to get reportable results with n=54 and m=13.

You will almost never get reportable results with numbers that small. This is why it's on Twitter. Any real publication will take one look at the sample size and dismiss it as horribly underpowered.
 
Ok, now tell us how large an effect would need to be to get reportable results with n=54 and m=13.

You will almost never get reportable results with numbers that small. This is why it's on Twitter. Any real publication will take one look at the sample size and dismiss it as horribly underpowered.
You’re projecting again….projections do not equate to reality!
 
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Ok, now tell us how large an effect would need to be to get reportable results with n=54 and m=13.

You will almost never get reportable results with numbers that small. This is why it's on Twitter. Any real publication will take one look at the sample size and dismiss it as horribly underpowered.
Then there is the obvious age discrimination of Corona. Even real publications are avoiding that stat.
 
You’re projecting again….projections do not equate to reality!
Projecting?

I don’t think you understood the post.

Grace posted a garbage pseudo-study, and I explained why it was garbage.

No one was even pretending to predict the future. The twitter dude made an attempt to explain the past, and I explained why it was trash - statistically speaking.
 
Why is that scary?

Its weird that people would think that's scary. The EU have a Digital Covid Cert that they are using to travel, sits on your phone and is also being used to gain entry to places that require it - many on here will be happy with its scope, i.e. the inclusion of the third one. They've issued millions so far. How is it any different to showing ID to get into a bar or requiring certain vaccinations before visiting certain countries.

The EU Digital COVID Certificate (DCC) is proof (in digital or paper format) that you have either:
  • been vaccinated against COVID-19 or
  • received a negative COVID-19 test result or
  • recovered from COVID-19 in the last 6 months
 
Projecting?

I don’t think you understood the post.

Grace posted a garbage pseudo-study, and I explained why it was garbage.

No one was even pretending to predict the future. The twitter dude made an attempt to explain the past, and I explained why it was trash - statistically speaking.
And my point stands as valid…when you figure it out, you will understand.

hint: have you ever heard the phrase, “that’s why they play the game”?
 
Its weird that people would think that's scary. The EU have a Digital Covid Cert that they are using to travel, sits on your phone and is also being used to gain entry to places that require it - many on here will be happy with its scope, i.e. the inclusion of the third one. They've issued millions so far. How is it any different to showing ID to get into a bar or requiring certain vaccinations before visiting certain countries.

The EU Digital COVID Certificate (DCC) is proof (in digital or paper format) that you have either:
  • been vaccinated against COVID-19 or
  • received a negative COVID-19 test result or
  • recovered from COVID-19 in the last 6 months
What is scary is that we are going thru such lengths for a a virus with the statistics that it has. These are unprecedented measures that are extreme by historical measures.
Even the policy makers seem to be in on the “Fear Theater”……


And people wonder why there is skepticism…..makes you wonder who is really spreading misinformation???
 
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