Vaccine

EvilGoalie 21 said:
Its match day, but, quickly, there is much to unpackage with respect to laying blame at the foot of the public health response. Part of the unpackaging, from my perspective, would involve public health messaging vs a counteracting infodemic. For example, just yesterday, rehashed data where some Twitter doctor says "Hey vaxx not working" but just a 5 min look at the underlying numbers in a table that most will never both to look at shows vaxx with a 2.5X protective effect over unvaxxed. Another part would involve public heath measures being but forth as some form of tyranny akin to rounding people up into gas chambers. And so forth. In the end it would distill towards having a government that is effective as our fragmentation allows us to have. And partisan arguments ensue as to which side is to blame. whatever. But from a strict epidemiological standpoint our inability to act rapidly and collectively cost lives early on and continues to do so now. For a bIt while longer but this is mostly done at this point. Our division was a form of weakness the virus could exploit. But it is also a form of weakness that can be exploited by other actors, and, as I see it, that's just getting started. So ultimately, in this country with so many advantages, it's on us. Was the human costs of the pandemic worth pursuing our little excercise in social disfunction? I'd say the answer appears to be yes.
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Shocking.
 
Christian Britschgi reports on the CDC’s, and state and local governments’, unlawful eviction moratoria. A slice:

These eviction moratoriums were dropped into place with virtually no public discussion of the limits of bureaucratic power, the rights of private property holders, the unintended consequences, or any other ramifications of such moves. Governments simply asserted that they had these powers and then used them.

The moratoriums—like so many other extreme COVID-era measures that were supposed to be an emergency stopgap—soon became a seemingly permanent feature of public policy. In the initial months of the pandemic, 43 states adopted some form of eviction restriction, according to the Eviction Lab at Princeton University. By September 2020, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), leaning on a novel, near-limitless interpretation of its own powers, put a national moratorium in place. States could still implement their own eviction bans, but only if they were stricter than what existed at the federal level.
 
espola said:
The local and national health care system instituted measures so strict that many argue they are unconstitutional, funded the development of multiple vaccines and made them available for free to anyone who would take them, and waged a public information struggle with disinformation sourced by idiots and opportunists -- what more do you think they should have done?
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Your statement isn't wrong. But you've picked a side. Local health professionals, from the aspect of policy implementation, have a responsibility to call a wrong when they see it. The northeast is a great example. Government cronyism and partisan posturing led to spread and people dying. No one spoke up. There is an advantage of watching others go first. With that said, people are incapable of not picking a side and making most things political. I will tell you most health care professionals that operate at the ground level would rather be left alone to do their job and not get caught up in politics.

Your statement about public disinformation is short sighted and part of the problem. You operate under the blanket of politics. Don't you remember current senior leadership swearing off of vaccines if the orangeman was behind the development and distribution of them? Do you think vaccine hesitancy would have been less if the parrot heads hadn't made it about politics.

What health policies that predated vaccine mandes were considered unconstitutional?
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
But from a strict epidemiological standpoint our inability to act rapidly and collectively cost lives early on and continues to do so now.
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Given the political division in this country at the time, this is not suprising. I would add our lack of understanding the disease and how to manage it factors in. We fundamentally know how to respond to a contagious respiratory virus. Our challenge was scale. Our early medical miscalculations on how to manage the disease also cost untold lives.

There is plenty to unpack and plenty of blame to go around. Unfortunately politics is blinding and politicians have short memories.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Those who have had #COVID and do not want the vaccine are not anti-vaccine. They simply understand science and natural acquired immunity.
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Thank you IZ. Jan 20, 2020 is bday of virus. Plane was full of sick people and I was one of them. Pins and needles in my back. Hot with flash. Fever of 103. Weak and misery I was. I looked at me wife and told her, "I so sorry Queen Bee. You were right and I was dualistically wrong about everything and was too prideful to listen to the Angel." I jumped off meat and started to wake my ass up with the truth and I too had some confessions and repentence to do. We ALL need to confess.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Agree. People think we are divided when mandates unite us.
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I see. If no mandates, then no division. Yet the starting point this AM was a failed public health response. Are we still at the wash cycle or up to the rinse cycle at this point? I'll agree with you on this. From strictly a political standpoint, in this context Sweden's approach can be consider successful in that the blame game for a big up front dry tinder wave can be much more easily attributed. Heads can (and have, if you follow their politcal ripples) roll. Perhaps then it is easier to move on, or to not let the pandemic simply be another facet of a broader set of things.
 
what-happened said:
Your statement isn't wrong. But you've picked a side. Local health professionals, from the aspect of policy implementation, have a responsibility to call a wrong when they see it. The northeast is a great example. Government cronyism and partisan posturing led to spread and people dying. No one spoke up. There is an advantage of watching others go first. With that said, people are incapable of not picking a side and making most things political. I will tell you most health care professionals that operate at the ground level would rather be left alone to do their job and not get caught up in politics.

Your statement about public disinformation is short sighted and part of the problem. You operate under the blanket of politics. Don't you remember current senior leadership swearing off of vaccines if the orangeman was behind the development and distribution of them? Do you think vaccine hesitancy would have been less if the parrot heads hadn't made it about politics.

What health policies that predated vaccine mandes were considered unconstitutional?
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You seem to have picked a side.
 
Narrow-minded "experts" have elevated a single risk to children in the minds of the public and will be shocked when children are harmed by other, more salient risks.—Jay Bhattachyra
 
To minimize hospital-acquired infections, hospitals should actively seek to hire staff with what is superior natural immunity from prior Covid disease and use them for their most vulnerable patients.
 
Nice to see the NFL running an ad that acknowledges the deadly reallocation of resources to COVID while critical pre-cancer screenings were treated as if Cancer was not the #2 cause of death in the U.S.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
I see. If no mandates, then no division. Yet the starting point this AM was a failed public health response. Are we still at the wash cycle or up to the rinse cycle at this point? I'll agree with you on this. From strictly a political standpoint, in this context Sweden's approach can be consider successful in that the blame game for a big up front dry tinder wave can be much more easily attributed. Heads can (and have, if you follow their politcal ripples) roll. Perhaps then it is easier to move on, or to not let the pandemic simply be another facet of a broader set of things.
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Started with a failed public response?
 
Bruddah IZ said:
“We have understood natural immunity since at least the Athenian Plague in 430 BC.”
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the one that killed 25% of the Athenian population, we should rely on the response to that! So we rely on natural immunity for smallpox & typhus, ok then.

Was that the same reliance on natural immunity with the Bubonic plague too, 100M dead, only the fittest survive, in the 1300s?

Maybe you should have some original thoughts instead of parroting & plagiarizing things you've read.

I'll await your "witty" one-liner or laughing face "like". I won't hold my breadth for any substance though.
 
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