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timmyh said:
Fair enough on the "nefarious" characterization. My apology.

If we go ahead with your narrative as being true (and I still don't concede that it is), then I assume a few years ago the YNT Staff identified a unicorn that necessitated an exception to the standard process. Whether they were ultimately right or wrong, that flexibility in light of uncovering something deemed potentially special is probably a really good thing.

I also assume, given your narrative, you've made the same YNT Staff aware of your daughter and her quality. I suppose the most logical explanation for why she isn't penciled in as a starter for the U17s is that they have determined that she isn't a unicorn, but rather that she needs to go through the same (well documented and communicated) process as every other aspiring YNT player in the country.

Perhaps they are wrong about your kid and you are correct that she might be a generational talent (I have no idea and have never heard of her or seen her play), but from a distance I've yet to see where and how she is getting screwed over and legal action is necessary.
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Let’s not speculate. How about I post USSF’s official response upon receipt?
 
Kicker4Life said:
That’s easy…because she was identified while playing in a “letter league” playing up 2 years against kids that were entering the process. Not to mention it is more likely that Coaches from that letter league contacted US Soccer on her behalf and had them watch games.

You say you want equal opportunity yet demand special treatment.

Good luck to you and your player.
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Let’s not speculate. How about I post USSF’s official response upon receipt?
 
timmyh said:
Fair enough on the "nefarious" characterization. My apology.

If we go ahead with your narrative as being true (and I still don't concede that it is), then I assume a few years ago the YNT Staff identified a unicorn that necessitated an exception to the standard process. Whether they were ultimately right or wrong, that flexibility in light of uncovering something deemed potentially special is probably a really good thing.

I also assume, given your narrative, you've made the same YNT Staff aware of your daughter and her quality. I suppose the most logical explanation for why she isn't penciled in as a starter for the U17s is that they have determined that she isn't a unicorn, but rather that she needs to go through the same (well documented and communicated) process as every other aspiring YNT player in the country.

Perhaps they are wrong about your kid and you are correct that she might be a generational talent (I have no idea and have never heard of her or seen her play), but from a distance I've yet to see where and how she is getting screwed over and legal action is necessary.
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I'm sure it goes something like this: "of course you don't see it because your white privilege won't allow you to see it."

I commend you for trying to deal rationally with an irrational premise...but, when one comes from a cultural upbringing of race hustle and victim mentality, it is all one will ever know, or care to know.

Good luck!
 
soccersc said:
Do you really feel by asking that question you are going to get a valid answer? Are you looking for validation for how you feel? I am not sure what you are trying to get asking the same question over and over from a group of parents and a few coaches? Is someones explanation from this forum going to do for you? It's odd dude!

I'll explain to you like this...you probably are never going to know... and any explanation someone on here has, or will give you, will just be a guess or a theory. The only people that can answer that question for you are the ones that made the decision. Kinda ridiculous to keep asking
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Absolutely not. I feel like lots of the commenters “have a dog in the fight” so, I’m just having fun with it.
 
MicPaPa said:
I'm sure it goes something like this: "of course you don't see it because your white privilege won't allow you to see it."

I commend you for trying to deal rationally with an irrational premise...but, when one comes from a cultural upbringing of race hustle and victim mentality, it is all one will ever know, or care to know.

Good luck!
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Does white privilege exist?
 
Kicker4Life said:
If you’d like, go right ahead. But also post the letter you sent to them that they are responding to. Allow us to have complete context.
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Allow me to sum up his letter for you:

"blah, blah RACIST! ...blah, blah RACIST!"

That's his game in a nutshell.
 
MacDre said:
Does white privilege exist?
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By asking the question you are creating the problem! If we continue to tell that to our kids there is "white privilege," we are incentivizing mediocrity.... because what is the point of trying to excel if millions of non-whites are doomed from the start?

And by the way economic status is a far more important determinant...money is the factor in privilege, not color! But if you want to look for the easy way out, and try and find excuses keep going down that same road you are traveling and you will get there fast! Your family, your friends and your environment all play huge roles in lifting you up or tearing you down. Even the nation in which you are born is a bigger contributing factor than skin color...so you have privilege too, much more privilege than most of the world....but of course you'd rather come up with the poor me excuse. Not good for you kid, dude! Don't set them up for failure before their journey already begins!
 
MacDre said:
Does white privilege exist?
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By asking the question you are creating the problem! If we continue to tell that to our kids there is "white privledge, we are incentivizing mediocrity.... because what is the point of trying to excel if millions of non-whites are doomed from the start?

And by the way economic status is a far more important determinant...money is the factor in privilege, not color! But if you want to look for the easy way out, and try and find excuses keep going down that same road you are traveling and you will get there fast! Your family, your friends and your environment all play huge roles in lifting you up or tearing you down. Even the nation in which you are born is a bigger contributing factor than skin color...so you have privilege too, much more privilege than most of the world....but of course you'd rather come up with the poor me excuse. Not good for you kid, dude! Don't set them up for failure before their journey already begins!
 
soccersc said:
By asking the question you are creating the problem! If we continue to tell that to our kids there is "white privledge, we are incentivizing mediocrity.... because what is the point of trying to excel if millions of non-whites are doomed from the start?

And by the way economic status is a far more important determinant...money is the factor in privilege, not color! But if you want to look for the easy way out, and try and find excuses keep going down that same road you are traveling and you will get there fast! Your family, your friends and your environment all play huge roles in lifting you up or tearing you down. Even the nation in which you are born is a bigger contributing factor than skin color...so you have privilege too, much more privilege than most of the world....but of course you'd rather come up with the poor me excuse. Not good for you kid, dude! Don't set them up for failure before their journey already begins!
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You are hella funny dude!
 
timmyh said:
Yes, it exists.

But I don't think it has anything at all to do with why your daughter didn't start for the U17 GNT at age 11. Or why she isn't entitled do do so now, for that matter.
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Why do you keep mischaracterizing my words. My kid ain’t 11 she’s almost 14 and will be ready and almost 15 in time for the upcoming U17 World Cup in India. Maybe she ain’t good enough. I guess we’ll see soon enough.
 
soccersc said:
Deflect....okay. So you have a sense of entitlement and you deflect truth when you have trouble seeing it for yourself. You're a solid dude!
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If my player earned something under the rules, it is not entitlement. I would call it transparency and accountability. Do you know the definition of entitlement?
 
timmyh said:
For me, the bottom line is that the people doing the evaluating are those paid by US Soccer to do the evaluating and coaching and they are incentivized to choose wisely. That is pretty much the same model as everywhere else in the world.

They have set up a process to select national teams, and it is largely the same as most everywhere else in the world. It involves scouting and input from trusted colleagues that generally lead to invites to regional training sessions. Those that stand out, get chosen to move onward to more selective sessions, culminating in building a team for Youth World Cups.

We are a big country. I don't see an obviously better way to do it. They surely get choices wrong sometimes, but that is the nature of things everywhere. I don't see any evidence, at all, of any obvious bias or crookedness in the process.

I think you're very unlikely to fundamentally change things, and I am unconvinced you actually have a better way of doing things, anyway. I would just recommend you jump into the well-established process and, if your kid is as good as you say she is, I imagine those in charge will be quite happy you did and that things will work out quite well.
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I don't think the process is as objective as your words might suggest, at least from what I can see in AZ. One club here seems to get the largest number of regional ID looks. They are not dominant nor are their teams. For U15 they have 6 players (I think) going, with the next best represented being 3. The latter team beat them 4-0 last season. They do not have 6 players in that age group at YNT level or close, if they did, they would be a dominant team. In fact, their best player plays up on that team and is not going. Mind you, the best player on the other team mentioned also plays up and is not going. It seems to me that some clubs with good contacts get their players in the regional pools. I expect some objective viewing at that point separates the wheat from the chafe.

IMV, clubs should have nothing to do with any YNT talent selection - US soccer can't afford the scouts though, so some clubs, IMV, game it to promote themselves, their brand and to encourage players to stay.
 
whatithink said:
IMV, clubs should have nothing to do with any YNT talent selection - US soccer can't afford the scouts though, so some clubs, IMV, game it to promote themselves, their brand and to encourage players to stay.
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Yes, yes, yes and more yes for you bro. I told one of those ((retired I guess and no longer roaming the fields)) so called Docs years ago that his ego was so full of shit that if he lied one more time to me and my dd I would lose it. He worked the Training Center too which really pissed me off. Dude offered my kid 5 candy bars for another future YNT players mom's phone number. I am not making this shit up and that was the camel that broke my back. Then he even asked if we would be willing to help car pool the future YNT player. I went wild cat on this guy and we both got hurt I guess. You have to find another way to select the rest from the best. Again, we all know who the top top players are.
 
whatithink said:
I don't think the process is as objective as your words might suggest, at least from what I can see in AZ. One club here seems to get the largest number of regional ID looks. They are not dominant nor are their teams. For U15 they have 6 players (I think) going, with the next best represented being 3. The latter team beat them 4-0 last season. They do not have 6 players in that age group at YNT level or close, if they did, they would be a dominant team. In fact, their best player plays up on that team and is not going. Mind you, the best player on the other team mentioned also plays up and is not going. It seems to me that some clubs with good contacts get their players in the regional pools. I expect some objective viewing at that point separates the wheat from the chafe.

IMV, clubs should have nothing to do with any YNT talent selection - US soccer can't afford the scouts though, so some clubs, IMV, game it to promote themselves, their brand and to encourage players to stay.
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Thanks for sharing! Anyone with similar stories, please post or PM me.
 
MacDre said:
Why do you keep mischaracterizing my words. My kid ain’t 11 she’s almost 14 and will be ready and almost 15 in time for the upcoming U17 World Cup in India. Maybe she ain’t good enough. I guess we’ll see soon enough.
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I'm confused then.

I thought this whole sidebar was about how you were upset that your daughter didn't get a GNT call up when she was 11. Fast forward a few years, and now she is age-eligible to participate in the standard selection process laid out by the YNT staff/scouts. In the meantime, several high profile coaches have told you your daughter is a unicorn and should already be on the U17 GNT, but you are disillusioned and exiting her from the standard selection process and perhaps pursuing legal options.

Am I not following along properly?
 
@MacDre So, now that I am passed my morning grumpiness and laziness to read all 12 pages, I thought this may help. I understand our complaint about USSF not following it's own rules however, I don't know if OM playing up at U15 DA got her through the loophole? To be a top player on a U15 DA program at age 11 certainly does give Unicorn status. Oh, and btw, I do in fact hope your daughter succeeds in her pursuits.

 
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