Vaccine

watfly said:
Unfortunately, it seems you can't even walk by a hospital these days and not be charged $50k. (yes that's hyperbole)
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Yeah, Americans are being stiffed on healthcare, have been for a long time and its not stopping any time soon.
 
watfly said:
Unfortunately, it seems you can't even walk by a hospital these days and not be charged $50k. (yes that's hyperbole)
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Worldwide, .000076961139241 are infected (7 day avg.). That comes out to a .01309884 IFR (7 day avg.). Not surprisingly, the U.S. has a 7-day avg. IFR of .01659962. That is nearly 25% of the worldwide cases. Just waiting for the Jacobins to chime in.
 
whatithink said:
Yeah, Americans are being stiffed on healthcare, have been for a long time and its not stopping any time soon.
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That's because we allow 3rd parties to shop for our health needs, coupling both care and insurance in to one policy. That's like coupling our car insurance with a maintenance car plan so insurance companies can charge more and then attaching that coverage to our employment. I could have claimed the oil change, cv boot change and transmission fluid flush yesterday. Universal Health coverage is particularly perverse in that it ignores risk pools while mandating that we take on those risk. Not much incentive for people to look after themselves so that they don't feel like the victims of a virus that has all the symptoms of the common cold
 
GoldenGate said:
Where is the authority that says a county cannot implement a mask or vaccine mandate unless Newsom has declared a state of emergency, as you claimed?

Where is the statute or case that says Health and Safety Code 120175 only allows a county to burn livestock and applies apparently only to measles, but does not allow a local health agency to implement mask or vaccine mandates in a pandemic without a state of emergency being declared?

How does your "analysis" of the US Constitution have anything to do with the extent to which California can, or in this case did, delegate authority to local jurisdictions to implement mask or even vaccine mandates?

The only schtick is that you keep lying and personally attacking those who definitively prove that you are lying. Are you going to start talking bs about "natural order" again since actual laws and how governments actually work are beyond your comprehension?
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That reads more like. "Where is the" DICTATORSHIP "that says a county cannot implement a mask or vaccine mandate unless Newsom has declared a state of emergency, as you claimed?"
 
GoldenGate said:
The only hostility here came from you. I did not personally attack you until you started making personal comments like the above to me and others. I cited the statute that says you were wrong and the California Constitutional provision that says you are wrong, and your response is stuff like this. You don't want to discuss this in a public forum any more because you can't. All you have are personal attacks. That is the only thing you can do when you are exposed for the fraud that you are.

Where is the law, court case, statute, regulation, constitutional provision or anything that says a county cannot implement a mask mandate other than if a state of emergency is declared? You are the "strict constructionist", so it must exist in plain and unambiguous language, right? For a "strict constructionist" it should be incredibly easy to point out the plain and unambiguous law that says a county cannot implement a mask mandate unless a state of emergency is declared.
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Agree!! It must be unambiguous. It should read "Where is the law, court case, statute, regulation, constitutional provision or anything that says a" DICTATORSHIP "cannot implement a mask mandate other than if a state of emergency is declared?"

GoldenGate said:
You are the "strict constructionist", so it must exist in plain and unambiguous language, right?
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Right. Denying young healthy immune systems natural infection threatens us all.
 
whatithink said:
Delta Airlines will charge unvaccinated employees an extra $200 per month from Nov. They (unvaccinated) will also face additional restrictions (starting Monday) including masking & testing. Delta self-insures and says that their avg hospitalization cost for Covid was $50K.

So, either expect everyone's insurance premiums to increase or, expect premiums for unvaccinated to increase.
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This would actually have been a good way to do it....to have the admin lean on the insurance companies. Would have been legal and avoided the constitutional fight he picked with a mandate.
 
whatithink said:
Open enrollment is usually last Q, so expect this to hit soon is my expectation. The mandate just gives the insurance companies extra ammunition.
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It's not the way it works...they have to set up a new verification system like they do for smoking. The mandate, if any, discourages from doing this because it's mandated (so why do the work). But in this case, it may happen because the insurance companies are either banking on or suspicious the mandate will be struck down in the courts.
 
Grace T. said:
And they wonder why they won't trust them.....

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1436553883829121030
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That marketing, science magician lady with the gray short hair is a lying POD, end of story. One dude is all, "let's chat offline." Hey dummy, were all being watched online or not online. Nowhere to run or hide. Time to confess!!! I've been warning everyone to watch what you allow into your blood stream. BTW, she reminds me of one of my old atheist science teachers who I debated for a semester. This lady had the worse breath too. Anyway, she was fascinated by me and wanted to understand my position of God more and a woman's right to kill her kid. I would meet with her for coffee. I liked her but we were at odds with God and life. These people are all the same I think. They hate God or don;t believe in him/her at all. They think their the smartest too ((because they play with science and lie with numbers to suit their own agenda)). They especially hate people like me.
 
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whatithink said:
The UK government has a variety of contingency plans in preparation for a potential winter surge, for England, as health is devolved there and Scotland, Wales & N Ireland can and do have separate policies.

They include
- reintroduction of some nationwide restrictions such as social distancing or masks (based on NHS capacity)
- introduction of Covid boosters (at least for the most vulnerable but possibly wider)
- biggest ever flu jab campaign
- Covid passports to access large, crowded venues such as nightclubs
- shortly to give the go ahead for vaccination in children 12 to 15

UK (not England) vaccination rates are at 66% (of total population), with at least 1 shot at 72%.
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British press is reporting Johnson will outline winter plans for England (the other kingdoms being subject to local control) on Tuesday:

1. they dropped the vaccine passport for most venues (likely remains for some like air travel). There was a study that said the passport makes the holdouts less likely to get it, and if their scientists are right and the vaccine is like the flu vaccine (and not chicken pox) and people can still transmit, there’s no point
2. Boosters for folks that want them with vulnerable getting first priority.
3. a flu jab campaign
4. The go ahead will likely be given for 12-15 but not mandates. If the Uk scientists are right, it does nothing to help this age group (in which the unvaccinated are safer than a vaxxed 50 year old) and the vaccines may only help limit (not control) community soread
5. The coronavirus act will be allowed to expire but the pm will maintain broad powers to mask and lockdown under the health act. But there will be no plans (only contingencies) for winter as the uk is placing it’s better on vaccination.
 
Grace T. said:
British press is reporting Johnson will outline winter plans for England (the other kingdoms being subject to local control) on Tuesday:

1. they dropped the vaccine passport for most venues (likely remains for some like air travel). There was a study that said the passport makes the holdouts less likely to get it, and if their scientists are right and the vaccine is like the flu vaccine (and not chicken pox) and people can still transmit, there’s no point
2. Boosters for folks that want them with vulnerable getting first priority.
3. a flu jab campaign
4. The go ahead will likely be given for 12-15 but not mandates. If the Uk scientists are right, it does nothing to help this age group (in which the unvaccinated are safer than a vaxxed 50 year old) and the vaccines may only help limit (not control) community soread
5. The coronavirus act will be allowed to expire but the pm will maintain broad powers to mask and lockdown under the health act. But there will be no plans (only contingencies) for winter as the uk is placing it’s better on vaccination.
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Harrison Pitt draws lessons for 2020-2021 from Hayek’s 1944 book, The Road to Serfdom. Two slices:

While the situation varies across the Anglosphere, in all of its countries, from Australia to Britain, the relationship between the individual and the state has fundamentally transformed — and these conditions will likely outlive the pandemic. Sydney remains under a draconian lockdown, as does New Zealand after the discovery of just one case of the coronavirus. The British and Canadian governments intend to make freedom conditional on state-issued vaccine passports, while President Joe Biden, fresh from his Afghanistan debacle, recently called on parents to mask up their children when they leave the house.

These measures can easily be relaxed or intensified by government officials at a moment’s notice. But while restrictions can be tweaked, few in power have renounced the overarching authority they represent. In this sense, they are symbols of an abiding new normal, which, before 2020, was utterly unthinkable in free societies.

Hayek’s defense of liberty was driven by more than a moral revulsion to state force. He also argued that letting individuals take personal responsibility for their lives makes greater practical sense. Hayek’s ingenious arguments against a centrally run economy, therefore, are equally devastating to the idea of a centrally run biosecurity state.
 
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