President Joe Biden

Considering the likely 2024 republican alternative to Biden is Trump (and were on the subject delusional leadership); imagine the lectures were going to have to sit through from T with regard to how 'he didn't lose in 2020, rather Biden stole the election'?

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Trump booed at Alabama rally after telling supporters to get vaccinated

"But I recommend take the vaccines," Trump said. "I did it. It's good. Take the vaccines."
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tenacious said:
Considering the likely 2024 republican alternative to Biden is Trump (and were on the subject delusional leadership); imagine the lectures were going to have to sit through from T with regard to how 'he didn't lose in 2020, rather Biden stole the election'?

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Trump booed at Alabama rally after telling supporters to get vaccinated

"But I recommend take the vaccines," Trump said. "I did it. It's good. Take the vaccines."
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The parties are not giving us a great choice. But it’s an easy choice for me. I will vote for a conservative when the GOP nominates one. You know the type: balance the budget, cut waste, strong military, and all that.

Unfortunately, that is not the direction of the current party. The GOP will offer us nationalistic populism, and I will vote for whatever left wing loon wins the Democratic primary. Not great, but better than losing the ability to vote next time. Nationalistic populists, whether right or left, don’t have a great record of transferring power through elections.
 
dad4 said:
The parties are not giving us a great choice. But it’s an easy choice for me. I will vote for a conservative when the GOP nominates one. You know the type: balance the budget, cut waste, strong military, and all that.

Unfortunately, that is not the direction of the current party. The GOP will offer us nationalistic populism, and I will vote for whatever left wing loon wins the Democratic primary. Not great, but better than losing the ability to vote next time. Nationalistic populists, whether right or left, don’t have a great record of transferring power through elections.
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Nice try dad. Here's the deal dude. WE THE PEOPLE NEED TO RUN THIS COUNTRY. This country was built by God and for God's set purpose. Go ahead and play with your math all you want. Vote for God, not man or party. Right vs Left, R vs D, DNC vs RNC, GOP vs Rhino, White vs Asian, Heaven vs Hell, My Way vs The Highway, Mask vs No Mask, Jab vs No Jab, Liberal vs Conservative, Grace vs Espola, Light vs Dark, Satan vs Jesus and and on and on we go. If anyone can find Truth, Honesty and Justice for all, please let me know. Russia vs USA, China vs USA, Iran vs USA, ISIS vs USA, Terrorist vs USA. Oh God, please help. This "Us vs Them" game is about to blow up. I will sit back and get me some popcorn and watch the SoCal Soccer Forum go nuts. Be safe Dad and to everyone else; love your family. I love you all :)
 
dad4 said:
The parties are not giving us a great choice. But it’s an easy choice for me. I will vote for a conservative when the GOP nominates one. You know the type: balance the budget, cut waste, strong military, and all that.

Unfortunately, that is not the direction of the current party. The GOP will offer us nationalistic populism, and I will vote for whatever left wing loon wins the Democratic primary. Not great, but better than losing the ability to vote next time. Nationalistic populists, whether right or left, don’t have a great record of transferring power through elections.
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Fair answer. Although that was my logic with Biden.

However a year in and I'm finding his leadership style reminds me of a quote from M Thatcher- "socialism is great until you run out of other peoples money." And that for me is the rub. If I have to pick between two idiots with bad ideas, it comes down to which one of them is going to spend less of my kids and grandkids money?
 
tenacious said:
Fair answer. Although that was my logic with Biden.
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Well, you voted for him so at least help us clean up after him. His dirty diapers are nasty and full of shit. I told you a long time ago the truth. Go back and read your glowing reviews about this guy. His son is going around making $500,000 for a piece of art. Have you watched any parts of the Lap Tops from hell? Dude is walking around making $$$$ all the while our brave men & woman are being set up to be killed for no reason. Are you awake yet?
 
2003 New York City Pear Jam


“A confidence man, but why so beleaguered?” Vedder sings. “He’s not a leader, he’s a Texas leaguer/Swinging for the fence, got lucky with a strike/Drilling for fear, makes the job simple/Born on third, thinks he got a triple.”

“I don’t understand,” he said afterward. “Maybe you like him because he’s going to give you a tax cut. Maybe you like him because he’s a real guy that relates to you because he’s so down-home.” The crowd then begins chanting “USA!” over and over. “I’m with you,” Vedder says. “USA. I just think that all of us in this room should have a voice in how the USA is represented, and he didn’t allow us our voice. That’s all I’m saying.”
 
tenacious said:
Fair answer. Although that was my logic with Biden.

However a year in and I'm finding his leadership style reminds me of a quote from M Thatcher- "socialism is great until you run out of other peoples money." And that for me is the rub. If I have to pick between two idiots with bad ideas, it comes down to which one of them is going to spend less of my kids and grandkids money?
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We can always hope for a tax fraud conviction....
 
tenacious said:
Considering the likely 2024 republican alternative to Biden is Trump (and were on the subject delusional leadership); imagine the lectures were going to have to sit through from T with regard to how 'he didn't lose in 2020, rather Biden stole the election'?

www.nbcnews.com

Trump booed at Alabama rally after telling supporters to get vaccinated

"But I recommend take the vaccines," Trump said. "I did it. It's good. Take the vaccines."
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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I seriously doubt Biden will be running in 2024…I have reservations about whether Biden will make it to the midterms let alone the end of the year. Look at videos at him from a year ago and look at him now…the presidency is never easy of the aging of people who hold the office and whatever is going on with him is advancing.
 
dad4 said:
We can always hope for a tax fraud conviction....
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You can;t always get what you hope for dad. I told my liberal pal after he wanted t impeached twice the same thing. Remember, we were all here debating the issues way before the Plandemic was brought to us from the Scammers. The Hell Mary Election Fraud was out of desperation so WE THE PEOPLE would not see the the real truth, Crimes against Humanity. This a big No, No, No, No and it doesnt matter if your a Liberal or Conservative. If you mess with kids, one Millstone coming just for you. 100% thought t pee pee in Moscow. Watch this video and you tell me WTF is going on. Humanity is going to take charge real soon.
 
crush said:
You can;t always get what you hope for dad. I told my liberal pal after he wanted t impeached twice the same thing. Remember, we were all here debating the issues way before the Plandemic was brought to us from the Scammers. The Hell Mary Election Fraud was out of desperation so WE THE PEOPLE would not see the the real truth, Crimes against Humanity. This a big No, No, No, No and it doesnt matter if your a Liberal or Conservative. If you mess with kids, one Millstone coming just for you. 100% thought t pee pee in Moscow. Watch this video and you tell me WTF is going on. Humanity is going to take charge real soon.
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Too many apocalyptic words.

Go to the beach. Enjoy some waves and pop open a cold one with New Wave Dave. Enjoy the sunset and remember to honor your fellow travellers, especially when you disagree with them.

Peace out.
D4
 
Grace T. said:
I seriously doubt Biden will be running in 2024…I have reservations about whether Biden will make it to the midterms let alone the end of the year. Look at videos at him from a year ago and look at him now…the presidency is never easy of the aging of people who hold the office and whatever is going on with him is advancing.
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They are going to have a tough time propping him up for 3 years. No way, its 3 years + 4. Harris is unelectable, unless Trump runs, then maybe she has a chance.
 
dad4 said:
The parties are not giving us a great choice. But it’s an easy choice for me. I will vote for a conservative when the GOP nominates one. You know the type: balance the budget, cut waste, strong military, and all that.

Unfortunately, that is not the direction of the current party. The GOP will offer us nationalistic populism, and I will vote for whatever left wing loon wins the Democratic primary. Not great, but better than losing the ability to vote next time. Nationalistic populists, whether right or left, don’t have a great record of transferring power through elections.
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Hence, you are responsible for a feckless senile old idiot who just killed 13 brave Americans which was completely avoidable. Brilliant!

You, military leaders, and your moron in the WH all have blood on your hands...sleep well.
 
met61 said:
Hence, you are responsible for a feckless senile old idiot who just killed 13 brave Americans which was completely avoidable. Brilliant!

You, military leaders, and your moron in the WH all have blood on your hands...sleep well.
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If you want to discuss Afghanistan, take a look at the records of both senile old men who were on the ballot last time.

The white haired senile old man left Afghanistan by withdrawing support first and planning the evacuation second.

The orange haired senile old man released thousands of terrorists in exchange for nothing more than a promise to negotiate.

Neither one stands out as an example of foreign policy wisdom.

Perhaps I’ll get a chance to vote for a green haired senile old man some day. Maybe he’d do better.
 
dad4 said:
If you want to discuss Afghanistan, take a look at the records of both senile old men who were on the ballot last time.

The white haired senile old man left Afghanistan by withdrawing support first and planning the evacuation second.

The orange haired senile old man released thousands of terrorists in exchange for nothing more than a promise to negotiate.

Neither one stands out as an example of foreign policy wisdom.

Perhaps I’ll get a chance to vote for a green haired senile old man some day. Maybe he’d do better.
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There was never going to be a simple solution. The trumpian talks set prisoners free on both sides. Most prisoners released by the afghani government were hired guns during the fighting season who would go back to their poppy fields when they weren't being forced to fight. There were high ranking Taliban that were eventually let go. The Taliban released a batch of kidnapped provincial leaders. The reality is both sides were trying to save face and we were looking for an honorable exit to a stupid excursion. The 1 MAY trump deadline was conditions based, code for not leaving and find a reason to stay.

The white haired senile guy blew a perfect opportunity to leave afghanistan in an honorable way, showing military strength. We actually left twice, in the darkness, with tail firmlyl tucked between our legs. Either way we were leaving. Let's hope that we are able to "diplomat" our remaining people out of the country in an expedient manner. the 20th anniversary of 9/11 will quickly be here. That part of the world is all about symbolism, drama, and posturing, and playing to their base. Keep in mind vidoes of ISIS in Iraq and what they did to their political prisoners.
 
met61 said:
Hence, you are responsible for a feckless senile old idiot who just killed 13 brave Americans which was completely avoidable. Brilliant!

You, military leaders, and your moron in the WH all have blood on your hands...sleep well.
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How would you have handled the situation differently?
 
what-happened said:
There was never going to be a simple solution. The trumpian talks set prisoners free on both sides. Most prisoners released by the afghani government were hired guns during the fighting season who would go back to their poppy fields when they weren't being forced to fight. There were high ranking Taliban that were eventually let go. The Taliban released a batch of kidnapped provincial leaders. The reality is both sides were trying to save face and we were looking for an honorable exit to a stupid excursion. The 1 MAY trump deadline was conditions based, code for not leaving and find a reason to stay.

The white haired senile guy blew a perfect opportunity to leave afghanistan in an honorable way, showing military strength. We actually left twice, in the darkness, with tail firmlyl tucked between our legs. Either way we were leaving. Let's hope that we are able to "diplomat" our remaining people out of the country in an expedient manner. the 20th anniversary of 9/11 will quickly be here. That part of the world is all about symbolism, drama, and posturing, and playing to their base. Keep in mind vidoes of ISIS in Iraq and what they did to their political prisoners.
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This is pretty close to my read on it to.

If anything Biden should have waited until winter when the Taliban couldn't cross the mountains and we could have had several months to pull out cleanly during the winter break. And that's what really bothers me, knowing now what Biden wanted... he really bungled it, when there were options to achieve exactly what he wanted that only required a bit more patience and intellect.
 
tenacious said:
This is pretty close to my read on it to.

If anything Biden should have waited until winter when the Taliban couldn't cross the mountains and we could have had several months to pull out cleanly during the winter break.
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The terrain piece is really only applicable to when we directly engaged Taliban, and that hasn't been the case for some time. The winter reduces their mobility (everyone's mobility) into and out of sanctuary (pakistani border) . Sanctuary hasn't been as important since they haven't really been on the run since 2013-14ish. The Taliban have been in control of most of the country for some time. Besides, winter is everyone's problem. Our biggest advantage is and always will be our air assets. Bagram and Kabul are routinely impacted by winter weather. Better to operate in reliable weather.

The bottom line is we demonstrated weakness, militarily and diplomatically. Demonstration of strength goes a long way in that part of the world. Keep your fingers crossed that the Taliban truly emerge enlightened and can particpate as adults on the world stage.... I wouldn't hold my breath but maybe the State Department is full of smarter people than we thought.
 
what-happened said:
The terrain piece is really only applicable to when we directly engaged Taliban, and that hasn't been the case for some time. The winter reduces their mobility (everyone's mobility) into and out of sanctuary (pakistani border) . Sanctuary hasn't been as important since they haven't really been on the run since 2013-14ish. The Taliban have been in control of most of the country for some time. Besides, winter is everyone's problem. Our biggest advantage is and always will be our air assets. Bagram and Kabul are routinely impacted by winter weather. Better to operate in reliable weather.

The bottom line is we demonstrated weakness, militarily and diplomatically. Demonstration of strength goes a long way in that part of the world. Keep your fingers crossed that the Taliban truly emerge enlightened and can particpate as adults on the world stage.... I wouldn't hold my breath but maybe the State Department is full of smarter people than we thought.
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Not sure your assessment of the weather in Afghanistan is correct. The weather in Kabul in Dec is 200+ average hours of sunshine with daytime temps in the 2 - 15 degrees Celcus range. https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,Kabul,Afghanistan

Now the conditions of the mountain passes that the Taliban would need to launch a winter attack in Dec? That all shuts down.
 
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