Hüsker Dü
DA
China and Russia still are doing business there, embassy’s open.
President Joe Biden
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This can never happen again. I give these guys all a bow and I believe 100% of them should be taken care of forever. What a bullshit lie to tell our young men & woman a lie so a few can make $$$$$. War is money and no American family shall ever have to go through this again. WTF is up with us?
what-happened
GOLD
Generally speaking, there are two camps within the veteran peer group. Those that spent a significant portion of their time in Afghanistan training Afghani troops. Many developed relationships and emotional ties. There there are those who's experience will be different. Their experience is watching Afghanis not show up at all during operations, turning and running during engagements, or turning their weapons on US or their afghani counterparts.I'm reading more and more posts like:
Both camps are emotional and will reflect on what they did while in country and wonder why they were there. Both camps will generally agree that staying or going back would/will not solve anything. It's up to the Afghans to figure it out. The Taliban are the most passionate, motivated, and organized to run the country. Doesn't bode well for many people. All we have done is delayed the inevitable. And we did a pretty good job at that.
Mostly driven out by other invaders. A couple fell to civil war or domestic uprisings along language/ethnic lines.
Same as any other place, when you think about it.
WTF Up!!!! Tell these guys how you all feel today about politics & war. This has to stop folks. The one's at the very very top dont give a shit about you or me. They want death & destruction. I need to go pray and pray some more and just pray. I woke up sad today for all the people I know that sacrificed their lives and body parts to fight this bullshit. I'm shocked at how people are just numb to this. Many of us remember 9/11, right? 20 years later and were in big trouble unless we all come together and make the darkness disappear.
Yes. And with good reason. I am referring to BRI or CPEC plans being laid out by China and Pakistan which can now include Afghanistan. And what else it will all mean.
what-happened
GOLD
I guess I look at it differently. There was never going to be an orderly withdrawal, it's not the way country works. The agreements in place (and that remain in place until end of month) are going to avoid major bloodshed. The Taliban isn't generally going to interfere. They also aren't going to stop people from running onto the airfield. We aren't going to shoot anyone who runs onto the airfield and plane hops. We may scare them with helicopters, we may yell at them...but we aren't going to do much else. Hopefully not many more fall out of the wheel wells of C17s.
All bets are off after end of the month. That's when will be given a glimpse behind the curtain.
And life goes on -- my nephew, who spent his last tour overseas in the Army as a Captain in the Medical Service Corps in charge of a group of medics who accompanied troops into combat in Afghanistan, is seeking another career.
kdhnews.com
Since he was not an actual medical officer himself, there was no constraint about him carrying arms into the field. His duties included providing armed security for the doctors, nurses, and enlisted medics as they performed their tasks. I fear he might find City Council combat a little boring.
Cove council candidate holding meet and greet on Saturday
Shawn Alzona, a Copperas Cove City Council candidate, will host a meet and greet from 3 to 4 p.m. Saturday in Copperas Cove.
Since he was not an actual medical officer himself, there was no constraint about him carrying arms into the field. His duties included providing armed security for the doctors, nurses, and enlisted medics as they performed their tasks. I fear he might find City Council combat a little boring.
Desert Hound
DA
They are also a tribal society. Loyalty lies to local leaders rather than a centralized form of government. That alone makes things shall we say rather difficult.
A buddy of mine sums up the current state of the US perfectly:
My current thoughts:
Trump is a stooge and completely unfit to run this country, hopefully he’ll go away. Stop waving flags with his name on it, it’s weird. I think most would agree with that.
Biden/Harris have been incompetent and are incapable of running this country. Everything they have done so far is complete . Biden can’t even think and talk, don’t tell me it’s a stutter, it’s his feeble mind, he’s incapable. Harris got less than 1% of her parties backing when she wanted to be president and it’s obvious why. Third in command is 131 year old Pelosi. Our administration is weak and embarrassing and the whole world knows it.
Meanwhile here’s the situation:
Border wide open during pandemic.
Inflation out of control.
Vax or mask, no vax and mask, no both and show vaccine card as proof.
CDC caught in multiple lies but we’re supposed to trust them.
Nobody wants to work, businesses struggling.
China and Russia taking control of everything.
Taliban back in control in Afghanistan.
Pipelines shut down, oil prices way up.
Religion frowned upon.
Violence rampant in big cities.
Speak against the far left, get labeled and/or silenced.
Etc, etc, etc.
The media and most Americans seem to be giving this administration a pass because “at least it’s not Trump”. I’m glad Trump is gone and hope he stays away but something has to change in this country before it’s too late. 330 million Americans and we had to choose between Trump and Biden/Harris?!?!?! That’s like picking which burning house to run into, the house is still going to burn down. The last 2 elections have crippled us.
I don’t know where good leadership will come from but we need to start praying that it comes soon. Most of us aren’t far left like the new Dems and most of us don’t back Trump….but we’re stuck in the middle and watching our country fall apart. I’m not going to stay quiet anymore and I think more people need to stand up for America before it’s too late.
Please pray for America.
#godblessamerica
My current thoughts:
Trump is a stooge and completely unfit to run this country, hopefully he’ll go away. Stop waving flags with his name on it, it’s weird. I think most would agree with that.
Biden/Harris have been incompetent and are incapable of running this country. Everything they have done so far is complete . Biden can’t even think and talk, don’t tell me it’s a stutter, it’s his feeble mind, he’s incapable. Harris got less than 1% of her parties backing when she wanted to be president and it’s obvious why. Third in command is 131 year old Pelosi. Our administration is weak and embarrassing and the whole world knows it.
Meanwhile here’s the situation:
Border wide open during pandemic.
Inflation out of control.
Vax or mask, no vax and mask, no both and show vaccine card as proof.
CDC caught in multiple lies but we’re supposed to trust them.
Nobody wants to work, businesses struggling.
China and Russia taking control of everything.
Taliban back in control in Afghanistan.
Pipelines shut down, oil prices way up.
Religion frowned upon.
Violence rampant in big cities.
Speak against the far left, get labeled and/or silenced.
Etc, etc, etc.
The media and most Americans seem to be giving this administration a pass because “at least it’s not Trump”. I’m glad Trump is gone and hope he stays away but something has to change in this country before it’s too late. 330 million Americans and we had to choose between Trump and Biden/Harris?!?!?! That’s like picking which burning house to run into, the house is still going to burn down. The last 2 elections have crippled us.
I don’t know where good leadership will come from but we need to start praying that it comes soon. Most of us aren’t far left like the new Dems and most of us don’t back Trump….but we’re stuck in the middle and watching our country fall apart. I’m not going to stay quiet anymore and I think more people need to stand up for America before it’s too late.
Please pray for America.
#godblessamerica
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Desert Hound
DA
Interesting read.
taibbi.substack.com
Afghanistan: We Never Learn
As the Taliban waltzes into Kabul, the look of surprise on the faces of top officials should frighten us most of all
taibbi.substack.com
No withdrawal was going to be perfect (withdrawing period is not a good look, but had to be done at some point), but I believe it could have been done in a more orderly fashion. You don't believe that? You don't think a complete cluster F could have been avoided? Maybe the difference between a minor cluster F and a complete cluster F is not all that different.
Afghanistan was generally a failure, but I take some solace in the fact that we were able to allow women to be educated for 20 years. I'm being a bit facetious, but may be next time we should arm the Afghan women instead of the male Afghan army.
The far right and most of the left's continued fascination with Trump is mind boggling to me. In the middle of the Afghanistan exit crisis, Maddow had an entire show devoted to Trump's failed attempt to influence the Georgia election.
Divert….deflect…..distract…..the MSM way!
Desert Hound
DA
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Desert Hound
DA
Interesting read about how the press frames things. Compare and contrast.
thefederalist.com
The Media Can't Hide From Their Terrible Afghanistan Reporting
Biden's failure to fulfill corporate media's promises of his competence has made them look deeply foolish, as he displays the folly they predicted of Trump.
thefederalist.com
what-happened
GOLD
I get what you are saying and don't disagree in general. These operations are never orderly and NEOs (Non combatant evacuations) are rarely ever rehearsed (except in South Korea). Videos, pics, and journalist are always going to be sensational. The evacuation of the Embassy personnel went as planned. An evacuation of an embassy isn't ever a routine thing. The pictures of helicopters landing in the embassy are overblown, they've been doing that for quite some time. Easier to fly 3 miles than to drive 3 miles. Stuff changes on the ground all the time. If for the now, the casualties are some folks falling out of the airplane, then so be it. Sounds callous but the alternative scenario is much worse. The time to leave had passed
It's these less important details that the ruling class wants the american public and MSM to focus on. Yes, the evacuation didn't go as smooth as those of us would like. The bigger question is why the 15 years or so worth of lies on the capacity of the Afghan Army and their government. Many who served there have known for some time they Afghan Army would never stand on their own two feet. Who is going to be held accountable? Will it be the Generals serving now, the retired Generals serving now on Defense Contractor boards? Retired Generals serving on think tanks. How about top state department officals? Top Intel community officials. Never mind 4 different White Houses. The funny thing about intel analysis is there is always at least 2 assessments given. Did the guy/gal who said the afghan government and military would fold in 3 days get sent to the corner and the report put in the trash. Highly likely this was the case. People knew. Those types of reports don't translate to contractor dollars. The military industrial complex is a hungry beast...needs to be fed.
what-happened
GOLD
The media can't even decide which side to land on. There has been such little reporting out of Afghanistan over the years that few understand the complexity and the nuance involved.Interesting read about how the press frames things. Compare and contrast.
The Media Can't Hide From Their Terrible Afghanistan Reporting
Biden's failure to fulfill corporate media's promises of his competence has made them look deeply foolish, as he displays the folly they predicted of Trump.