Vaccine

Nuremberg Code #6

The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
 
"Anecdotes tell us what the data can’t: Vaccinated people appear to be getting the coronavirus at a surprisingly high rate. But exactly how often isn’t clear, nor is it certain how likely they are to spread the virus to others. And now, there’s growing concern that vaccinated people may be more vulnerable to serious illness than previously thought."
 
Hawaii has set all time case records for 3 days in a row. Despite high vaccination rate, mask mandate and indoor dining/bar restrictions.
 
crush said:
No one is out to crack your balls.
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Oh I know. My levels of existential angst are well within normal operating parameters. My comment was meant for....uh...someone else.

crush said:
It's a choice of where one wants to be in their brain. Light or Darkness. It's all choice. I'm here to help, 100%. Do you know how many people in soccer despise me? Hate is good word too.
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No hate from me. I'm glad you're here. I mostly read what people write, only rarely hit the clicks unless something sounds interesting. The giant thing you posted awhile ago, however, did make me do a WTF head swivel. What was that? Some sort of lost tribe of Israel thing? Anyway since you bring up brains, that's kind of my interest in these two threads to be completely upfront, although I think I pretty much got the contours now. How metaphorical computers have this tendency to turn complexity, uncertainty, probabilistic stuff into either this or that. Then it's just a hop skip and jump to light and darkness. That's all of us, me included. And lately seems like there's so much stuff floating around designed to help us get to precisely that place.

crush said:
It was evil to the core where I come from.
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IMO evil is abundant and comes in many forms. Of course it's different to experience it in a visceral way. I'm fortunate in that I only recall that once. But you know sometimes the shot comes in high and hard. You react, make your best dive like you've trained over and over but just can't push it wide. 9 times out of 10 you make that save. But its a goal against you and the game moves on. Bad luck. You dig the ball out of the back of the net and keep playing. No other choice really.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
Oh I know. My levels of existential angst are well within normal operating parameters. My comment was meant for....uh...someone else.



No hate from me. I'm glad you're here. I mostly read what people write, only rarely hit the clicks unless something sounds interesting. The giant thing you posted awhile ago, however, did make me do a WTF head swivel. What was that? Some sort of lost tribe of Israel thing? Anyway since you bring up brains, that's kind of my interest in these two threads to be completely upfront, although I think I pretty much got the contours now. How metaphorical computers have this tendency to turn complexity, uncertainty, probabilistic stuff into either this or that. Then it's just a hop skip and jump to light and darkness. That's all of us, me included. And lately seems like there's so much stuff floating around designed to help us get to precisely that place.



IMO evil is abundant and comes in many forms. Of course it's different to experience it in a visceral way. I'm fortunate in that I only recall that once. But you know sometimes the shot comes in high and hard. You react, make your best dive like you've trained over and over but just can't push it wide. 9 times out of 10 you make that save. But its a goal against you and the game moves on. Bad luck. You dig the ball out of the back of the net and keep playing. No other choice really.
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Cool stuff. You are very talented writer btw. It's getting heated with some people. Remind me of the WTF head swirl moment and lost tribe of Israel please. I dont know it all so if I said something that is off or just way out there, I'll be the first to say it was satire or or I was just playing around. I'm going to go stealth after tomorrow. I might have some final words to all of you. I need to see the board for at 7 days without commenting on every freaking post. Let others have some, moo moments. I need to also brush up on my talents and figure out a way to make a buck wearing a mask so I will be working. I tried cold calling over the phone but folks are not in the mood to spend money. Most are not sure they will be open next month. That is true story. I'm not going to make excuses anymore. I just need to go out and say hi and see what happens. I had to push the envelope with some old friends to see the board and they care for themselves first over my rights. It is what it is and I'm certainly not surprised by a few of them and their back stabling to reach the top. One of them hurt my feelings by just telling me to stop complaining all the time and get the vax or no vax, the choice is simple, one or the other but please stop complaining. I said he is flat wrong because if the one person chooses no jab at work, he get's fired where the other guy obeys like a good worker and now he can buy & sell and have fun and entertainment like lakers and concerts plus the bars for booz...lol but the other guy is fired, loses his house and then his wife leaves him because she is woke and he's an anti=vaxxer. Relationships are getting tested like no other time.
 
Here's the counter position to the booster. It's going to scare the shit out of dad 4 and the others on team panic. I posted the Gottleib position above. This is the contra. I don't know which is right, but note Campbell who did this review has been pro NPI pro vaccine.

The counter argument going around to boosters forever, at least for the non-elderly, non-immunocompromised, is that there has been quite a bit of data coming out that natural immunity is actually more robust than vaccine immunity just because it operates in a variety of different ways to stop infection, while the vaccines only operate on the spike protein. So, it is possible that for the non-elderly, non-immunocompromised, which will need boosters perhaps multiple boosters, is that while vaccine immunity is at its highest, the best thing we can do to end this is TO ACTUALLY HAVE PEOPLE EXPOSED AND/OR INFECTED with the virus. That has enormous implications including: 1) children should not be vaxxed...if the vax doesn't stop disease or even massively reduce hospitalizations, since they don't suffer from the severe form, it's probably better for them, particularly the under 12, to just get repeated exposures to the virus, 2) people while at a high level of immunity from the vaccine would need to risk natural exposure, 3) NPIS such as masks and dining/crowd restrictions are actually counter productive to ending the pandemic and is just prolonging the misery.

Like I said, Campbell is not an antilockdown nut and he cites the thinking of experts, particularly those that have the ear of the UK government. He even has his mask poster behind him. I don't know who is right....this position or the Gottlieb position. I do find it funny however that either choice represents a binary choice of either the CDC f'ed up with the vaccination protocol (if Gottlieb is right) or the CDC is screwing up now by recommending masks/limitations (if the experts Campbell cites are correct). Again, I'm not sure who is right at this particular point and am open minded either way. I do note if Gottlieb is right it means we are going to be dealing with this for at least 4 to 5 years. If Campbell is right, this is endemic and a cold by next year, assuming the experts don't f it up and waste this time.

But I know someone who won't be happy if Campbell is right (yeah it's several of you, let me apologize in advance but it's just too funny)....cue dad4 freakout in 5 4 3 2 1

 
espola said:
In your zeal to score debate points, you are admitting that you are willing to put people at increased risk of serious sickness or death.
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Again, in your usual idiotic fashion, you lack total comprehension: 1) I don't know who is right....Gottlieb or the UK approach...I did post both sides of this debate and I think the Gottlieb position could be right....I just don't know, 2) the UK approach only works if you at least use vaccine mandates for the first dose, 3) the UK position assumes that the risk is always going to be there and you are just delaying the inevitable.

p.s. I never bought the entire EOTL/Husker= espola things. EOTL and Husker are much more clever at trolling than you are. I am open to the idea that Nova.dad is your sock puppet and he is just living out the fantasy that you articulated you wanted to do a few weeks ago. Funny how the 2 of you are around like Clark Kent and Superman.
 
espola said:
Morbid.
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I note this couple followed the pre-vaccine dad4 advice: wear masks, don't go out often....they still got COVID. Particularly if you aren't 100% sure you've had it before, and particularly if you are an adult, absolutely get the vaccine.
 
Grace T. said:
Again, in your usual idiotic fashion, you lack total comprehension: 1) I don't know who is right....Gottlieb or the UK approach...I did post both sides of this debate and I think the Gottlieb position could be right....I just don't know, 2) the UK approach only works if you at least use vaccine mandates for the first dose, 3) the UK position assumes that the risk is always going to be there and you are just delaying the inevitable.

p.s. I never bought the entire EOTL/Husker= espola things. EOTL and Husker are much more clever at trolling than you are. I am open to the idea that Nova.dad is your sock puppet and he is just living out the fantasy that you articulated you wanted to do a few weeks ago. Funny how the 2 of you are around like Clark Kent and Superman.
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I criticized your statement. You responded with a full house of ad hominems.
 
Grace T. said:
I note this couple followed the pre-vaccine dad4 advice: wear masks, don't go out often....they still got COVID. Particularly if you aren't 100% sure you've had it before, and particularly if you are an adult, absolutely get the vaccine.
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I care,
So I wear
A mask,
No need to ask.

Now where did I see that?
 
espola said:
I care,
So I wear
A mask,
No need to ask.

Now where did I see that?
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Again, we go with fool. Like I said, he is not an anti-NPI nut. The fact that HE of all people is laying this out is frankly shocking, even to me. And it would absolutely destroy dad4's world if it's true (which again, I'm not taking a position on whether it is or isn't)
 
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