Bad News Thread

Grace T. said:
A. Vc didn’t install a mask mandate until the state did and then only did it kicking and screaming. Same when they did it for kids and schools getting waivers.
B. The unvaccinated have had ample opportunity to get vaccinated. I should not be inconvenienced for their recklessness
C. The masks didn’t stop the winter wave. You yourself have conceded that (assuming arguendo now) masks stopped the initial waves in Asia that they aren’t as effective as they once were hence the problems in India, Taiwan, Korea, Japan and Thailand.
D. So in 2 weeks the curve will still be up and la county will be back at the well.
E. If they shut down indoor dining again you’ll be the first to say it’s necessary claiming the data now supports it
F. I’ll be the first to then say “told you so that it was the way it would play out”
G. The restrictions imho should be reserved only for places and times when the icus are new capacity and hospitals are near collapse (which so far has really only happened in the 3rd world but I could see places like Alabama getting there)
F. You’re all going to get it or at a minimum be exposed to it and asymptomatic. It’s inevitable. This is just postponing the inevitable
G. Seroprevalence in la pre vaccine take off was just under 50%….discount to 40% if you like for selection bias. See article above re natural immunity.
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Pretty much. You will fight tooth and nail to block the minor inconveniences, like masks or vaccine passports. Then you’ll complain like heck if/when the resulting surge triggers major inconveniences, like business and school closures.

It’s the same as last time. But there are fewer people left unvaccinated, so it will be smaller. We also might get lucky and see a vaccination surge following the hospitalization surge. Or not. I am watching MS/AR/MO vax rates to try to predict that one.
 
dad4 said:
Pretty much. You will fight tooth and nail to block the minor inconveniences, like masks or vaccine passports. Then you’ll complain like heck if/when the resulting surge triggers major inconveniences, like business and school closures.

It’s the same as last time. But there are fewer people left unvaccinated, so it will be smaller. We also might get lucky and see a vaccination surge following the hospitalization surge. Or not. I am watching MS/AR/MO vax rates to try to predict that one.
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No I’ll complain like heck because masks didn’t do very much to begin with and you have even conceded they are now less effective against the delta so they’ll do even less. Then you’ll be back at the well citing new data which I will laugh and say was always inevitable the moment you contemplated going down the restrictions road because it’s never going to be enough.
 
espola said:
I already gave you the first line. You responded by calling me names, dulling my enthusiasm to proceed further.

I don't have the inclination or the time right now to condense more than 5 centuries of European history into a single paragraph. I'll have more time next week (catsitting for my daughter (I hope she has A/C))
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Is cat sitting a thing? It’s more like VRBO.
 
Desert Hound said:
Eh you are already seeing a variation of the BS moving into education.

A number of districts are teaching math...using equity, talking about how parts of it are racist, etc.

Some school district around the SF area is utilizing that concept. Same thing popping up around Portland and Seattle.

It is misguided, it hurts educational outcomes and it is spreading.
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"Hurts educational outcomes" sounds interesting. Do you have some data?
 
dad4 said:
Take a look at hospitalizations before you go off on how stupid you think it is.

Deaths and hospitalizations are decoupled from cases, but only for the vaccinated. LA still has enough unvaccinated adults to cause a significant spike in deaths.

For scale, we currently have about 280 deaths per day from covid. That represents about 2% of the daily confirmed case rate from 2-4 weeks ago. (Deaths are a lagging indicator, so compare to past case rates.)

The US also has around 20,000 people hospitalized. That is about twice the daily confirmed case rate from 2 weeks ago.

LA is currently averaging 1000 confirmed cases. Using those ratios, that translates to around 20 deaths per day and around 2000 hospitalizations. (Not now. In about 2-4 weeks.)

LA is also doubling every 10 days or so. Keep it up, and you’ll be at 8,000 daily confirmed cases in 6 weeks. And, a few weeks later, 16,000 hospitalized and 160 deaths per day. That’s about twice as many beds as LA currently has available.

Perhaps your health department doesn’t want to keep on that path. It sounds unpleasant.

You might want to get your Ventura shopping trip out of the way now. Their vax rate is about the same as LA, and they are doubling every 12 days. Call it 3-4 weeks behind LA.
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Ps. La co is now just over 60% fully vaxxed and just under 70% partially vaxxed plus somewhere in the neighborhood of 40–50% natural immunity.
 
Kicker4Life said:
- York in Portland
- You already mentioned Columbus (an indirect admission of your hypocrisy )
- Robert E Lee (love or hate it is part of our countries history)
- Juan de Onate
- Francis Scott Key
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Hypocrisy? Are you putting something on me that you are assuming? I simply asked which historic statues and what made them historic.
 
LASTMAN14 said:
Is cat sitting a thing? It’s more like VRBO.
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I've done it before, and one of her cats used to be mine (as much as any cat can belong to a human).

The first part of VRBO is Vacation, and Sacramento is not my idea of a vacation paradise.

On the drive today I was feeling good about the light traffic (except south of Corona) until I got close to Santa Barbara. I moved to Oxnard in 1970 and I have traveled that stretch many times over the years,. After 50 years, it is still under construction.
 
Grace T. said:
So much for remdesivir....Fauci is batting a 1000

jamanetwork.com

Remdesivir, Survival, and Length of Hospital Stay in US Veterans With COVID-19

This cohort study assesses the association of remdesivir treatment with 30-day survival and length of hospital stay among US veterans hospitalized with COVID-19 between May and October 2020.
jamanetwork.com jamanetwork.com
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I think the issue is ...
Is the drug used prior to hospitalization or used after.

The proponents claim it helps avoid serious issues.

So I would like to see studies of people with Covid who are given it prior to having to go to the hospital.
 
Desert Hound said:
I think the issue is ...
Is the drug used prior to hospitalization or used after.

The proponents claim it helps avoid serious issues.

So I would like to see studies of people with Covid who are given it prior to having to go to the hospital.
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Maybe you should call for an audit.
 
Desert Hound said:
I think the issue is ...
Is the drug used prior to hospitalization or used after.

The proponents claim it helps avoid serious issues.

So I would like to see studies of people with Covid who are given it prior to having to go to the hospital.
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The issue with this drug is that unlike ivermectin or the antibodies it must be monitored in a care (usually hospital) setting

It’s also very expensive so they are only giving it to the very sick
 
espola said:
Kendism?

Google says
Did you mean:
kantism
kenism
kendis
hinduism
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Google correctly identified prevalent and readily identifiable-ism’s. I think that’s the point of a search engine.

Now, find a definition of -ism or the common defining features of such. (I hear there are some reference materials available for search with the keyword ‘Oxford’)

Then, explain your one word question (Kendism?) in the form of a thesis. Be prepared to defend your position with ‘link please’.
 
From the chatter online today we have begun the official “omg the vaccines aren’t working” panic phase of covid. Member when they said we needed restrictions to slow the spread…14 days…then 30? When they said we needed to keep the hospitals from collapsing? Until we could develop some treatments? Until we could bring down the curve? Until the vaccines rolled out? Member?
 
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