Hüsker Dü
DA
It baffles me how ignorance became the new cool thing to display. Another thing to thank the “Sarah Palin style conservatives” for.
Bad News Thread
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Desert Hound
DA
I agree. Those 20yr olds are in about the lowest risk category one can be in. They have no risk. And yet due to their ignorance they are scared and wear a mask.
If only they understood data.
Desert Hound
DA
So we were in New Mexico last week for an ID camp.
Driving into Alb just outside the city there is a casino. Big lights say only open to NM residents. I thought that strange.
Later we had issues with our hotel reservation. Finally found a place last minute. They would only accept people from outside of NM. I found that strange.
And finally I have seen it before but I always find it strange. I was up early getting coffee before dropping the DD off at UNM. Some lady (mid 30s?) was out running with her dog. Had her mask on. Streets had barely any traffic and not a soul to be seen walking. It was 6am or so.
One thing that wasn't strange? This place http://www.frontierrestaurant.com/
Killer food. Inexpensive. Excellent green chile. If you like Mexican food and in particular NM style Mexican food, it is hard to beat this place.
Driving into Alb just outside the city there is a casino. Big lights say only open to NM residents. I thought that strange.
Later we had issues with our hotel reservation. Finally found a place last minute. They would only accept people from outside of NM. I found that strange.
And finally I have seen it before but I always find it strange. I was up early getting coffee before dropping the DD off at UNM. Some lady (mid 30s?) was out running with her dog. Had her mask on. Streets had barely any traffic and not a soul to be seen walking. It was 6am or so.
One thing that wasn't strange? This place http://www.frontierrestaurant.com/
Killer food. Inexpensive. Excellent green chile. If you like Mexican food and in particular NM style Mexican food, it is hard to beat this place.
Hüsker Dü
DA
“no risk”? There’s a touch of that proud ignorance right there. 20 year olds already have a hard time thinking about anyone but themselves, kinda like you.
Desert Hound
DA
You do the math.
967 people have died from covid ages 15-24 out of 600k.
Or 0.16% of all deaths.
They have no risk from covid.
I'd estimate 10% or less in the areas I frequent (I suspect that if I went to North Park mask wearing would be higher). In the last week I haven't seen a business that is still requiring masks. I've stopped carrying. I do still see people driving solo wearing a mask? All the beach businesses are slammed and I haven't noticed any capacity restrictions on restaurants. It seems for the most part that its business as usual, except unfortunately for those businesses that didn't make it.
More math. 2,380 deaths in 18-29 age group. US population in this age group >$45 million. That's 0.005% over the course of the pandemic. Now with vaccines the risk is substantially lower, effectively zero. I suspect the risk of dying from gun violence, car accident or getting food poisoning at the restaurant are higher.
Desert Hound
DA
Exactly.
Unfortunately this thing looks like it's not yet quite over and we still have some time to go. It means a few things:
-The UK, because of it's increasing numbers, is probably going to be the first out of it.
-Israel reinstated its mask mandate for the vaccinated. We have a huge fight coming here in the United States and it's not just over masks. The issues include mandatory vaccinations, vaccination of children in the fall, reinstalling mask mandates (La County has made already a "recommendation" for use indoors) and shutting down the restaurants/bars and maybe even schools again. What's stupid is the states that least need the restrictions will likely be the most heavy handed, and even with the UK's rising numbers deaths and hospitalizations have been largely decoupled from cases. But make no mistake, in some form or other, with the most severe measures directed at the children, the are going to try and restrict things in California again. It's not over yet.
-India seeded an outbreak in the UK and the UK has in turn seeded an outbreak in parts of Europe. Russia is also having an outbreak, so having the Euro is a full stadium in St. Petersburg is going to cause some issues, particularly since this variant is more contagious outdoors.
-The third world is in for an utterly devastating wave and whatever has been holding things back in Asia and Africa is no longer holding things back. With the low rates of vaccination, in the third world we could really see horrible things to come as already poor hospital systems get overwhelmed.
-the major western vaccines seem to do a really good job at preventing hospitalizations and deaths still.
-The UK, because of it's increasing numbers, is probably going to be the first out of it.
-Israel reinstated its mask mandate for the vaccinated. We have a huge fight coming here in the United States and it's not just over masks. The issues include mandatory vaccinations, vaccination of children in the fall, reinstalling mask mandates (La County has made already a "recommendation" for use indoors) and shutting down the restaurants/bars and maybe even schools again. What's stupid is the states that least need the restrictions will likely be the most heavy handed, and even with the UK's rising numbers deaths and hospitalizations have been largely decoupled from cases. But make no mistake, in some form or other, with the most severe measures directed at the children, the are going to try and restrict things in California again. It's not over yet.
-India seeded an outbreak in the UK and the UK has in turn seeded an outbreak in parts of Europe. Russia is also having an outbreak, so having the Euro is a full stadium in St. Petersburg is going to cause some issues, particularly since this variant is more contagious outdoors.
-The third world is in for an utterly devastating wave and whatever has been holding things back in Asia and Africa is no longer holding things back. With the low rates of vaccination, in the third world we could really see horrible things to come as already poor hospital systems get overwhelmed.
-the major western vaccines seem to do a really good job at preventing hospitalizations and deaths still.
Desert Hound
DA
This is key.
The other key is, it seems that while the D variant spreads easier, it is a weaker variant health wise.
- Looking at India. On paper the variant should have ripped through the country. And yet we see the rise and the fall in infections/deaths. The country as a whole still has a extremely low deaths per million. Also as it relates to the virus a very low vaccinated rate. One would think that would be a recipe for disaster. It appears not to be the case.
- The UK has seen a rise in cases since the beginning of June. So we are about a month in. In the next week or 2 if this variant is an issue it will present itself as such in the stats. So we will know rather soon.
- I suspect that we will be fine due to the following factors. A large percentage of our population has been exposed to the virus. We also have a large percentage of people vaccinated.
- You are right that governments will try to reimpose restrictions. They will likely overreact again.
Either way...with the UK a month into rising infections we will know extremely soon if the variant is an issue or not.
Great work Hound. I will now call you, "Dr Q" medicine man
The Marx Brothers are full of hate dude and have their backs against the wall of hate. No where to run and no where to hide. They too will come around later. They need more humble pie eat 
Scandal of the suppressed case for ivermectin - The Conservative Woman
Scandal of the suppressed case for ivermectin
www.conservativewoman.co.uk
what-happened
GOLD
Mabye they ran out of Ivermectin or Big Pharma shut down Ivermectin production??
whatithink
GOLD
The death numbers in India are being questioned, reinforced by one state that reviewed their deaths and more or less doubled their numbers. India's reported Covid deaths are at just under 400K. Estimates of "true" numbers run from 600K to 2M+. Relatively speaking, their deaths per million will still tend to be low, but then again they have about 1.4B people ...
The UK delta variant numbers recently reported 92K cases with a death rate of 0.13%. That's the good news. Less good was that of the 117 deaths, 50 had been fully vaccinated. Those 50 were over the age of 50, and so in a higher risk category. Of the 8 under 50 who died, 2 had been partially vaccinated and 6 had not.
So the overreaction may be caused by the lack of a bullet proof vaccine, and people not getting vaccinated so we all get the suffer.
Personally, my view is, get vaccinated and let's get on with life. If you refuse to get vaccinated (inc your qualified kids) and there are restrictions due to low vaccination numbers, then STFU - you're part of the cause (of the restrictions), not the solution.
Ok tough guy.....lol!!! You have the same personal view as my best friend Colin. He was a no for jab, but because he wants to live & retire in Bali, he said he will now get the jab so he can get back to life. He's worn out and has had enough dude. Your attitude is why I have to move away and get away from scared folks. I see now it's going to be all my fault again too, just like when t won the election from HRC. You guys all act the same when you lose. I lost 45 Lbs already, no joke and will NEVER get the shot. I eat veggies and fruit and feel amazing. However, "what I think" thinks he knows it all. Let's have a wait and see pal before you condemn me and my wife and blame us for all the restrictions you now have. I see you guys working the angle. Look man, your little group cheated like shit and you know it. I'm appalled at some of you.
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Opinion | CDC's All-or-Nothing Approach to Teen COVID Vaccination Is All Wrong
The agency should revisit its latest guidance to maximize benefits and minimize risks
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