ECNL expansion 2021-2022

[GT45]

No I don't' agree with that at all. What I'm saying is the DA leadership thought they could just say we're US Soccer and we don't have to adjust to customer feedback. I remember the Real Colorado DOC saying something along the lines that all things equal they will stay DA but give us two teams in each age group we will come back to ECNL. If ECNL was the most desirable product why give top clubs incentives to come back? It was good business of ECNL to do that to bring back clubs but it doesn't mean the product was the best. In fact it shows that they had go above and beyond to compete with DA. There were plenty of positives about DA and it could have been even better if they made the necessary adjustments.

Wrong. Clubs were trying to come back to ECNL after the first year. The reason DA clubs like LAFC/Slammers got two teams was because they already had two teams (one in ECNL and one in DA). So to go back to all in ECNL they would have lost about 5-6 good teams as they would have been combined into only one team. By giving them two teams the DA team slides in as one team and the ECNL team stays in tact. This way the club does not lose money by losing 5-6 of their better teams.

What you said previously is that if DA copied ECNL rules they would have won out. So if DA replicated what ECNL was offering they would have won in your opinion. Of course that is because the assumption is that US Soccer backing would win out. I don't necessarily disagree with that. But ECNL has been strong for over a decade, and in the end they did win out. Their product offering was better than US Soccer's.

 

[VegasParent]

Wrong. Clubs were trying to come back to ECNL after the first year. The reason DA clubs like LAFC/Slammers got two teams was because they already had two teams (one in ECNL and one in DA). So to go back to all in ECNL they would have lost about 5-6 good teams as they would have been combined into only one team. By giving them two teams the DA team slides in as one team and the ECNL team stays in tact. This way the club does not lose money by losing 5-6 of their better teams.

What you said previously is that if DA copied ECNL rules they would have won out. So if DA replicated what ECNL was offering they would have won in your opinion. Of course that is because the assumption is that US Soccer backing would win out. I don't necessarily disagree with that. But ECNL has been strong for over a decade, and in the end they did win out. Their product offering was better than US Soccer's.

Before DA those clubs only had one team per age group in ECNL correct? So again, if ECNL was the superior product why did they need an additional team per age group to return? Because ECNL made that offer. Return and get two teams per age group or you're out of ECNL. As a business decision any DOC would take that offer. More $$ having 2 teams on an elite platform. Blues kept a team in each league because they were winning ECNL championships and took advantage of the loophole. And honestly even if DA had copied all the rules I think the offer of 2 teams per age group would have drawn some clubs back to ECNL anyway. It's good business for the club although I think it diminishes the "Elite" tag. A lot of those second teams have losing records in most age groups.

 

[Fact]

You honestly think people care but they dont man. Why do you think anyone cares , why........

@crush I logged on because I heard about Bob Turner, we go way back, I never liked him and wanted to see if the forum had some info on what happened. That's it. Sorry not lying.

As far as anyone caring, yes you have pissed a lot of people off, but not me. I don't know you so I can't take anything you say personally. I hope you are telling the truth about your dd being recruited. Just please tone it down. With all this cancel culture someone might try to use your posts against your dd and that would be a shame. Seriously, wishing your dd the best. There is plenty of spots in college for everyone that wants to play. Cheers!

 

[EOTL]

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@crush I logged on because I heard about Bob Turner, we go way back, I never liked him and wanted to see if the forum had some info on what happened. That's it. Sorry not lying.

As far as anyone caring, yes you have pissed a lot of people off, but not me. I don't know you so I can't take anything you say personally. I hope you are telling the truth about your dd being recruited. Just please tone it down. With all this cancel culture someone might try to use your posts against your dd and that would be a shame. Seriously, wishing your dd the best. There is plenty of spots in college for everyone that wants to play. Cheers!

Cancel culture? Do you mean accountability for one’s statements and actions? It’s like someone convinced magats they could say whatever the f**k they want without repercussions. It’s exactly like that person was wrong.

 

[GT45]

Before DA those clubs only had one team per age group in ECNL correct? So again, if ECNL was the superior product why did they need an additional team per age group to return? Because ECNL made that offer. Return and get two teams per age group or you're out of ECNL. As a business decision any DOC would take that offer. More $$ having 2 teams on an elite platform. Blues kept a team in each league because they were winning ECNL championships and took advantage of the loophole. And honestly even if DA had copied all the rules I think the offer of 2 teams per age group would have drawn some clubs back to ECNL anyway. It's good business for the club although I think it diminishes the "Elite" tag. A lot of those second teams have losing records in most age groups.

Yes, that is correct that they only had one team in ECNL before DA existed. But, what club in their right mind would not want to elite teams (one in each platform)? Only a select few were awarded this privilege. They had to meet certain performance standards. When they were granted this opportunity, they were beneficiaries of additional talent heading to their clubs. So now they have extra talent. From my understanding this two team deal was meant to be temporary to allow this extra talent to graduate out. I do not know that the temporary status of this is still the plan though.

You seem to not understand the financial aspect for clubs. They would not just move back to ECNL and lose all of that money. They needed/wanted to keep their talent/teams for financial reasons.

Slammers left DA because they did not like what it offered. Same with Michigan Hawks. Blues chose to offer both platforms. But all three clubs were able to have two elite teams in each age group. To each their own.

THE DA DEBATE CONTINUES: “IT WASN’T THE BEST FIT.” -SLAMMERS FC

 

[Kicker4Life]

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Cancel culture? Do you mean accountability for one’s statements and actions? It’s like someone convinced magats they could say whatever the f**k they want without repercussions. It’s exactly like that person was wrong.

Funny....you’ve been on the forum for years before Trump as elected and we’re just as much of an asshat then as you are now. Were you protecting the world from “Magats” then too or is it just your newest excuse to be an asshole?

 

[VegasParent]

Yes, that is correct that they only had one team in ECNL before DA existed. But, what club in their right mind would not want to elite teams (one in each platform)? Only a select few were awarded this privilege. They had to meet certain performance standards. When they were granted this opportunity, they were beneficiaries of additional talent heading to their clubs. So now they have extra talent. From my understanding this two team deal was meant to be temporary to allow this extra talent to graduate out. I do not know that the temporary status of this is still the plan though.

You seem to not understand the financial aspect for clubs. They would not just move back to ECNL and lose all of that money. They needed/wanted to keep their talent/teams for financial reasons.

Slammers left DA because they did not like what it offered. Same with Michigan Hawks. Blues chose to offer both platforms. But all three clubs were able to have two elite teams in each age group. To each their own.

THE DA DEBATE CONTINUES: “IT WASN’T THE BEST FIT.” -SLAMMERS FC

I specifically said it was good business. And of course they are going to come up with a reason other than we were going to lose money to justify the reason. Blues were not a threat to lose their ECNL team because they were winning championships. The other clubs were not and were given the ultimatum to either come back and get two teams or lose ECNL. That's why Surf lost ECNL.

 

[GT45]

I specifically said it was good business. And of course they are going to come up with a reason other than we were going to lose money to justify the reason. Blues were not a threat to lose their ECNL team because they were winning championships. The other clubs were not and were given the ultimatum to either come back and get two teams or lose ECNL. That's why Surf lost ECNL.

Yes many teams lost ECNL that chose to go DA. They did not meet the performance standard to have both, What you and are are not seeing eye to eye on is that the reason ECNL offered some clubs two teams to come back was because these clubs had two teams in two separate leagues (ECNL and DA). Blues did not get two teams to come back later. Surf did not get two teams to come back later. Real So Cal did not to come back later. But, teams like Slammers and Hawks did because they had teams in both leagues, and they wanted back in (and out of DA) on their own accord, not just because DA folded. Once DA folded, no one was offered two teams.

We are going to have to agree to disagree here. As I think others are likely tired of our back and forth.

 

[Technician72]

Trip with the oldest DD this weekend in Arizona and it was good to see the kids have fun and continue to compete. Saw a few of the Legends teams in various age groups that I would assume shift to the ECNL slots with the expansion. The southwest division is deep with talent and more locations for consumers to chose from. Glad to see the landscape and regions get more representation in what can be tough distances to travel for exposure via platform.

Safe travels to those out and about!

 

[gotothebushes]

 

[EOTL]

Funny....you’ve been on the forum for years before Trump as elected and we’re just as much of an asshat then as you are now. Were you protecting the world from “Magats” then too or is it just your newest excuse to be an asshole?

For the record, I wasn’t here before Cadet Bone Spurs arrived. Anything special planned to mourn that “worthless shred of human debris” Rich Limpballs?

 

[Kicker4Life]

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For the record, I wasn’t here before Cadet Bone Spurs arrived. Anything special planned to mourn that “worthless shred of human debris” Rich Limpballs?

Calling BS, but OK Scotty boy.

An Oxycotton party maybe.....

 

[EOTL]

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Calling BS, but OK Scotty boy.

An Oxycotton party maybe.....

I wish I’d thought of that.

 

[soccer4us]

This went out to CA ecnl clubs today(got it from a friend whose part of an ecnl club):




This email is being sent due to ongoing discussions regarding the state of play for youth sports in California, and the significant confusion and question that surrounds this issue.


The most recent order from the State of California, from January 25, is available here: https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/Youth-Sports-FAQ.aspx


Updated in this document, the California Governor’s order regarding prohibitions on youth sports teams traveling out of state applies to participation in all competitions, not just tournaments. This is broader language than previously with respect to travel.

Also updated in this document, teams in California counties with certain “color zones” are allowed to have competition, and may travel to adjacent counties for competition, if they are in the same allowed color zone. Every club should evaluate what is applicable to their organization in this instance.

We understand that there are pending court cases and ongoing lobbying efforts to change these restrictions and orders, some specific to youth sports, and that they may change at any time. If you are aware of changes, please share them with us, and the league will do the same.

US Club Soccer, through its website and in discussion with its staff, has made clear that its insurance and sanctioning do not apply when competitions are held in violation of local or state law. While separate insurance may be purchased by some teams, a lack of formal sanctioning means that referees are not authorized or covered under US Soccer insurance, there is no disciplinary jurisdiction for US Club and US Soccer in the event of disciplinary issues, and there is uncertainty regarding jurisdiction and application of SafeSport provisions.

As a reminder, no ECNL sanctioned competition can occur unless and until it is clear from both CA state and local authorities that participation is not legally prohibited or restricted. We understand the challenges that everyone faces at this time—player, coach, and club—but we believe this is the responsible course of action to protect all involved.

Thank you for all your work. We continue to hope for a return to normalcy in the near future, and we hope to see progress soon.



Sad all the power is in the hands of one person for CA ecnl clubs...and most CA teams in general.

 

[crush]

@crush I logged on because I heard about Bob Turner, we go way back, I never liked him and wanted to see if the forum had some info on what happened. That's it. Sorry not lying.

As far as anyone caring, yes you have pissed a lot of people off, but not me. I don't know you so I can't take anything you say personally. I hope you are telling the truth about your dd being recruited. Just please tone it down. With all this cancel culture someone might try to use your posts against your dd and that would be a shame. Seriously, wishing your dd the best. There is plenty of spots in college for everyone that wants to play. Cheers!

Thank you Fact. I dont know who to believe now. However, you were the one who baiting me when I came back on here to see what was up, remember me and Maps? The secret is to slow down and relax. No hurry. I just want to help make things better for the next group of players and their parents who fly and drive and spend thousands each year for a service. I will try and believe you now.

 

[SoccerFan4Life]

This went out to CA ecnl clubs today(got it from a friend whose part of an ecnl club):


US Club Soccer, through its website and in discussion with its staff, has made clear that its insurance and sanctioning do not apply when competitions are held in violation of local or state law. While separate insurance may be purchased by some teams, a lack of formal sanctioning means that referees are not authorized or covered under US Soccer insurance, there is no disciplinary jurisdiction for US Club and US Soccer in the event of disciplinary issues, and there is uncertainty regarding jurisdiction and application of SafeSport provisions.

As a reminder, no ECNL sanctioned competition can occur unless and until it is clear from both CA state and local authorities that participation is not legally prohibited or restricted. We understand the challenges that everyone faces at this time—player, coach, and club—but we believe this is the responsible course of action to protect all involved.

Thank you for all your work. We continue to hope for a return to normalcy in the near future, and we hope to see progress soon.

They forgot to add "Dont forget that club fees for year 2 of non soccer are due by May" LOL

 

[crush]

Hey @allthefellas, @someTMs, all mama bears, former Docs, new Docs and all others reading this, please forgive me again for getting all fired up and letting my old pals trigger me. I got triggered by 46. I was told to watch out and but I didnt listen. I do ask if you guys could just leave me alone. You know who are. Stop it, please. I promise to start focusing on soccer only takes. I have good advice to give. It's all free too and I love to help others. PMs are always welcomed. Thanks to two very nice dads that PM me some words of love and encouragement. I dont hold things in like others. It's good to dump it all out sometimes. No more you guys, please leave me alone. Thank you kindly from me, my awesome wife and ds and dd.

 

[timmyh]

Hey @allthefellas, @someTMs, all mama bears, former Docs, new Docs and all others reading this, please forgive me again for getting all fired up and letting my old pals trigger me. I got triggered by 46. I was told to watch out and but I didnt listen. I do ask if you guys could just leave me alone. You know who are. Stop it, please. I promise to start focusing on soccer only takes. I have good advice to give. It's all free too and I love to help others. PMs are always welcomed. Thanks to two very nice dads that PM me some words of love and encouragement. I dont hold things in like others. It's good to dump it all out sometimes. No more you guys, please leave me alone. Thank you kindly from me, my awesome wife and ds and dd.

This is a truly bizarre post, even by your standards. You do know that if you want to be left alone, and if you want people to "stop, " all you have to do is to stop posting and trying to bring attention to yourself, right?

If it makes you feel better about breaking your addiction to being in this forum 24/7, your "advice" and stories aren't actually very helpful to anyone.

 

[46n2]

Exactly

 

[SoccerFan4Life]

This is a truly bizarre post, even by your standards. You do know that if you want to be left alone, and if you want people to "stop, " all you have to do is to stop posting and trying to bring attention to yourself, right?

If it makes you feel better about breaking your addiction to being in this forum 24/7, your "advice" and stories aren't actually very helpful to anyone.

I get it. Crush rambles and it's tough to read his emails. Crush, keep it simple.
For those that are spewing hatred towards Crush, show your post to your kids and spouse and I guarantee that they would be embarassed to be associated with you.
Last I checked, this was a grown up site to talk soccer and soccer related topics we can agree to disagree. but stop the bullying because none of us are teenagers on this site.

 

[timmyh]

I get it. Crush rambles and it's tough to read his emails. Crush, keep it simple.
For those that are spewing hatred towards Crush, show your post to your kids and spouse and I guarantee that they would be embarassed to be associated with you.
Last I checked, this was a grown up site to talk soccer and soccer related topics we can agree to disagree. but stop the bullying because none of us are teenagers on this site.

Fair enough. Wasn't intending to bully, but parts of my last post were indeed unnecessary and unkind. My sincere apologies, Crush.

I still think the gist is helpful, and it's meant to be in that spirit. If posting is causing you pain because people feel the need to respond and correct what is often misleading information, there is a really simple solution. Don't post.