Surf Cup's Fate

[MSK357]

No one has managed to trace 74% of cases. Your slide should have a big “we do not know” category right at the top.

Of course, it’s hard to claim that anything is proven safe when the biggest slice on your pie chart says “We do not know”.

Don’t let that stop you from selling overpriced margaritas with a case of corona on the side.

So we are locking down, destroying businesses, ruining the education and mental health of our future generations because "we do not know". Not based on science, but because our leaders told to be be scared of something they dont know anything about and force rules that they themselves do not follow. coo coo.

 

[MacDre]

So we are locking down, destroying businesses, ruining the education and mental health of our future generations because "we do not know".

You forgot to add saving lives.

 

[crush]

SD restaurants that I've seen are following the no outdoor dining rule. One clever restaurant that has a parking lot has turned their service into a car hop...brilliant, each course comes out fresh and no soggy tacos like what you get with normal takeout. If they have the space I encourage all restaurants to follow the Sonic model. Meanwhile, the malls in SD are slammed.

My family and I were starving the other day. We pulled up to a killer taco place. I got out and ordered for the family with my mask on. We then sat in our car and had dinner. I got home and put my dog Oreo inside my car to clean up the mess. My wife turns the big 50 on Friday. SOL for a nice dinner and party with all her family & friends. We had all these plans and now she can;t have her 50 in style. Oh well. We told everyone to go to our gofund me page and celebrate with us over there So were heading down to Encinitas on Friday and pick up her chow at one of those organic places for me and wifey. Eats or something like that. The kids will get their order to go at TGIF. After we get all of our chow to go, we will go sit on da beach and eat our dinner and wish my Queen Bee a happy 50th. Her bday wish is for both of us to find a job in California sometime next year and not have to get a vaccine.

 

[whatithink]

Retails and bars/restaurants, travel are not main drivers of the plague. Nor are gyms, sports, churches, etc.

Follow the science.

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It strikes me that its self evident that if you get lots of people gathered together in a social setting - guard is down - and if one of them arrives with the virus, then it is likely to spread.

So where did that one person arrive from that was the actual source. Could that be one of the groupings above outside of the super spreader? Maybe if we had an actual comprehensive track & trace system we would know that.

The virus originated in Wuhan. It didn't then just materialize all over the world. People spread it, by travelling from there and then going to various businesses and participating in activities etc. and so on. The earliest reference I've seen to its origin point is November 2019, the world was shut down in March 2020.

I'm grateful that my kids can still play soccer. I do think the sports restrictions in CA are too much, but the converse of course is that CA deaths are proportionately much lower than AZ, 21K vs 7.3K for a population of roughly 5 times as many. So maybe CA has "saved" 14K lives by being more restrictive (relative to AZ).

On a broader front, it is fascinating to me how everyone has become experts armed with their own facts. Many times I see people dispute prior testimony of actual experts based on current facts. They rarely acknowledge that those experts state opinion based on what is or was known at that point - and they say this, they take pains to say this. Its why we have scientific theories, so named theories as scientists know that they are true based on the facts as they are currently known, but that they could change as new knowledge is attained and therefore new facts become evident.

It's maybe part of the "instant" culture we exist in, something I see in my kids all the time. Everything is a web search away, but many lack the understanding that the first result isn't necessarily the best result (or even true).

Fortunately vaccines are here and starting to get distributed. Normalcy in time for next summer. I'm looking forward to a short drive to SoCal to laze on the beach, eat out and maybe even get in some soccer ... but truth be told, my kids have played in multiple Surf Cups and the attraction has never been the soccer, its San Diego in July/Aug after 50-60 days of 100+ AZ. Yeah, sign me up for that.

 

[crush]

You forgot to add saving lives.

I'm not a math person Dre but I do hear death is down overall from last year

 

[Desert Hound]

No one has managed to trace 74% of cases. Your slide should have a big “we do not know” category right at the top.

Funny how every time you are proven wrong you claim the people don't know or got it wrong.

So now you don't trust the NY Health Department experts?

 

[crush]

Funny how every time you are proven wrong you claim the people don't know or got it wrong.

So now you don't trust the NY Health Department experts?

It's called an agenda. When you have set agenda, you move goal post, pick business you like and dont like to stay in business, change the rules during the game, get a waiver if needed so kid can play GDA and HS Soccer and just do whatever it takes to win and get kid in the game. Add some math and colors and it is what it is.

 

[EOTL]

SD restaurants that I've seen are following the no outdoor dining rule. One clever restaurant that has a parking lot has turned their service into a car hop...brilliant, each course comes out fresh and no soggy tacos like what you get with normal takeout. If they have the space I encourage all restaurants to follow the Sonic model. Meanwhile, the malls in SD are slammed.

To Dad4 's point about allowing games for the first time in the guidance, yes, they've given us a carrot its just on the end of a mile long stick. Newsom is a political genius because now it makes it seem like the ball is in our court, so if we don't end up playing any games, he can claim its our fault as citizens for not following the rules. When in fact none of his restrictions have worked to stop the virus, because you can't effectively stop a virus and you can't get citizens to follow obviously arbitrary restrictions.

So what was most everyone's first response to the new guidance (other than Newsom is a complete douche)? The first response was what are the workarounds, loopholes and inconsistencies? This is what happens with sane people that are tired of arbitrary and non-science based rules. That's what happens when you have someone that is more interested in dictating than leading. Yes, I went political.

The ball was always in your court. You had all the time in the world to do what was under your control to limit spread - including urging others to do the same. But what did you actually do? You whined about and and fought over even the smallest inconveniences in your life for 10 months.

 

[EOTL]

I'm not a math person Dre but I do hear death is down overall from last year

Yes, you are not a math person. Or a facts person. So now you think Covid-19 SAVES lives, eh? Hey idiot. There are more than 300,000 excess deaths beyond the upper bound (i.e. worst case scenario absent a pandemic or nuke) year to date.

 

[MSK357]

You forgot to add saving lives.

No, i would say killing lives if you are newsom and cuomo who put covid positive patients in nursing homes when we did know that the elderly had the lowest chance to beat the virus.

 

[crush]

Yes, you are not a math person. Or a facts person. So now you think Covid-19 SAVES lives, eh? Hey idiot. There are more than 300,000 excess deaths beyond the upper bound (i.e. worst case scenario absent a pandemic or nuke) year to date.

I never said Rona "saved lives." Stop putting words into my mouth. All I asked was if death last year was more then this year, overall. Death is death too, dont forget that. Staying in your house saved lives dummy....lol! Stop being silly and play honest.

 

[SoccerFan4Life]

Yes, you are not a math person. Or a facts person. So now you think Covid-19 SAVES lives, eh? Hey idiot. There are more than 300,000 excess deaths beyond the upper bound (i.e. worst case scenario absent a pandemic or nuke) year to date.

EOTL, the only ahole in this site is you. Stfu and stop insulting eveyone that disagrees with you. Are you like 16 years old or something. We are all trying to have a healthy conversation and your insults are more than annoying. At first I thought I somehow insulted you a few days back but now I see that you insult everyone that disagrees with you.

GTFO of here with your comments.

 

[dad4]

So we are locking down, destroying businesses, ruining the education and mental health of our future generations because "we do not know". Not based on science, but because our leaders told to be be scared of something they dont know anything about and force rules that they themselves do not follow. coo coo.

We do know that indoor dining spreads covid. We just can’t consistently contact trace through the restaurants. But we can ask people whether they eat out at restaurants, look at their test results, and make a very strong statistical argument that the bars and restaurants are killing people. CDC has done that, and it is considered settled science by now.

If you want to give yourself covid by going to a lot of restaurants, casinos, and bars, go ahead. Do it quick. I want the numbers to go down in February so my kid can play sports.

 

[EOTL]

So we are locking down, destroying businesses, ruining the education and mental health of our future generations because "we do not know". Not based on science, but because our leaders told to be be scared of something they dont know anything about and force rules that they themselves do not follow. coo coo.

300,000 people are dead and another 3,000 plus every day. Not 14 like you claim. People aren’t dying odd heartburn and other “comorbidities” at catastrophic numbers as you claim.

Suck it up buttercup. It’s no wonder so many kids are having a hard time. There are a lot of parents like you out there who would prefer to whine and wallow in self pity instead of finding ways to keep you children moving forward. I can’t imagine having to live in a house with a dad who spends all his time complaining about how everything is someone else’s fault. Woe is you.

 

[crush]

EOTL, the only ahole in this site is you. Stfu and stop insulting eveyone that disagrees with you. Are you like 16 years old or something. We are all trying to have a healthy conversation and your insults are more than annoying. At first I thought I somehow insulted you a few days back but now I see that you insult everyone that disagrees with you.

GTFO of here with your comments.

Coach_________________________________-has nothing else to do. Dad 4 cant be a teacher because he should be teaching his class instead of trying to teach us his BS math class. Math teacher with colors is big problem. These guys are all the same.

 

[MSK357]

We do know that indoor dining spreads covid. We just can’t consistently contact trace through the restaurants. But we can ask people whether they eat out at restaurants, look at their test results, and make a very strong statistical argument that the bars and restaurants are killing people. CDC has done that, and it is considered settled science by now.

If you want to give yourself covid by going to a lot of restaurants, casinos, and bars, go ahead. Do it quick. I want the numbers to go down in February so my kid can play sports.

i glanced the stats that were talked about. I believe it said a little over 1% were from restaurants. Am I wrong?

 

[EOTL]

EOTL, the only ahole in this site is you. Stfu and stop insulting eveyone that disagrees with you. Are you like 16 years old or something. We are all trying to have a healthy conversation and your insults are more than annoying. At first I thought I somehow insulted you a few days back but now I see that you insult everyone that disagrees with you.

GTFO of here with your comments.

No. If someone is going to make the ridiculously stupid claim that fewer people are dying this year, they will get the lack of respect they deserve. Alternative “facts” are lies regardless of how much you want them to be true to fit a narrative. If that’s what you are looking for, you know where Parler is.

This is supposed to be a thread about Surf Cup, yet someone is claiming that Covid-19 is saving lives? And you’re telling me I’m the problem?

 

[crush]

 

[dad4]

i glanced the stats that were talked about. I believe it said a little over 1% were from restaurants. Am I wrong?

Yes. You are wrong.

Hound is just filtering through charts until he finds one he likes. If he had picked Louisiana, it would look like this:
Bars and restaurants are #2 and #3 for causing outbreaks.

(This is why you listen to actual experts instead of searching the web for a graph that suits your purpose.)

 

[MSK357]

300,000 people are dead and another 3,000 plus every day. Not 14 like you claim. People aren’t dying odd heartburn and other “comorbidities” at catastrophic numbers as you claim.

Suck it up buttercup. It’s no wonder so many kids are having a hard time. There are a lot of parents like you out there who would prefer to whine and wallow in self pity instead of finding ways to keep you children moving forward. I can’t imagine having to live in a house with a dad who spends all his time complaining about how everything is someone else’s fault. Woe is you.

How does it feel to be the idiot of the forum who nobody likes? You find pleasure in that dont you? your claim of millions in california dying is way off. you disregard the fact that cuomo and newsom as well as many other democrat governors put covid patients in nursing homes that killed large portions of the elderly who are the most at risk. when did i claim 14? when did i whine? maybe having to read your ignorant posts. my kids are thriving. plenty of scrimmages and tournaments that we went to. They are improving daily. On track to skip a grade of math. Something you seem to have problems with as far as statistics. This virus is low risk to my kids and young parents like me. you can hide under a rock if you'd like. I'll be doing what I want, guilt free. Just wear your mask EOTL, you'll be fine. lol.

 

[Grace T.]

We do know that indoor dining spreads covid. We just can’t consistently contact trace through the restaurants. But we can ask people whether they eat out at restaurants, look at their test results, and make a very strong statistical argument that the bars and restaurants are killing people.

a. yes we know indoor dining spreads COVID. That's pretty settled now.
b. the question though is how much and whether its worth it to shut down. We know that planes also spread it but the amount is a hotly debated issue right now and they haven't grounded the fleets.
c. you, being the big math guy here, know that correlation doesn't mean causation. People who eat at restaurants are also likely to be out and about in the community and therefore more likely to have more contacts that lead to their getting ill. People who are locked in the basement aren't going to indoor, let alone outdoor, dining.