Surf Cup's Fate

But what about the fate of Surf Cup? I thought....well, I thought that's what we were talking about. Now we are talking about the inadequacies of our local governments and the ability to cherry pick information to satisfy personal needs.

I just want to know if people still think they are playing Surf Cup. And if they are, how do they know that. It's apparent to many that this will not be a "best of the best" event. Maybe so in the Summer, but not in the Winter of 2020 and 2021.

I guess the consensus is that soccer will be played, by enough teams and not streamed but recorded. D1 coaches will not be in attendance. The chances of a D2/D3 coach attending are probably not very high. Will CA D2/D3 schools go against the directives, mandates, orders, whatever they are calling them?

There is an exact 50 camp in Mesa, AZ on 20 DEC, with some coaches scheduled to attend.
 
Kicker4Life said:
BIGOT!!!
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This are my favorite retort for a couple reasons. First, I have very obviously gotten under someone’s skin. Second, I know my plan working when people go with full Karl Rove. Specifically, the Karl Rove technique is to accuse others of your own weaknesses, which tends to confuse the weak-minded and help eliminate the importance of actual facts. Because figuring out the truth sometimes takes effort, and that is exactly what a dumb soccer parent does lacks. Before you know it, the same weak-minded fools are thinking maybe it makes a lot of sense suggesting that “people are saying” fewer people have died in the US in the year of the greatest pandemic in our lifetimes. Maybe people are really dying of heartburn in catastrophic numbers? Maybe the governor of NY is handling covid worse than the governors of the Dakotas, although the dakotas will soon have a higher mortality rate, and it’s almost impossible to get that many people together in those states to kill them in such numbers, unless the governors of those states are encouraging people to do things that spread the disease.
 
EOTL said:
This are my favorite retort for a couple reasons. First, I have very obviously gotten under someone’s skin. Second, I know my plan working when people go with full Karl Rove. Specifically, the Karl Rove technique is to accuse others of your own weaknesses, which tends to confuse the weak-minded and help eliminate the importance of actual facts. Because figuring out the truth sometimes takes effort, and that is exactly what a dumb soccer parent does lacks. Before you know it, the same weak-minded fools are thinking maybe it makes a lot of sense suggesting that “people are saying” fewer people have died in the US in the year of the greatest pandemic in our lifetimes. Maybe people
are really dying of heartburn in catastrophic numbers? Maybe the governor of NY is handling covid worse than the governors of the Dakotas, although the dakotas will soon have a higher mortality rate, and it’s almost impossible to get that many people together in those states to kill them in such numbers, unless the governors of those states are encouraging people to do things that spread the disease.
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turnabout is fair play.......appreciate your indirect admission.
 
EOTL said:
This are my favorite retort for a couple reasons. First, I have very obviously gotten under someone’s skin. Second, I know my plan working when people go with full Karl Rove. Specifically, the Karl Rove technique is to accuse others of your own weaknesses, which tends to confuse the weak-minded and help eliminate the importance of actual facts. Because figuring out the truth sometimes takes effort, and that is exactly what a dumb soccer parent does lacks. Before you know it, the same weak-minded fools are thinking maybe it makes a lot of sense suggesting that “people are saying” fewer people have died in the US in the year of the greatest pandemic in our lifetimes. Maybe people
are really dying of heartburn in catastrophic numbers? Maybe the governor of NY is handling covid worse than the governors of the Dakotas, although the dakotas will soon have a higher mortality rate, and it’s almost impossible to get that many people together in those states to kill them in such numbers, unless the governors of those states are encouraging people to do things that spread the disease.
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Does Karl Rove have a kid playing in Surf Cup? It's probably something he could get behind.
 
happy9 said:
But what about the fate of Surf Cup? I thought....well, I thought that's what we were talking about. Now we are talking about the inadequacies of our local governments and the ability to cherry pick information to satisfy personal needs.

I just want to know if people still think they are playing Surf Cup. And if they are, how do they know that. It's apparent to many that this will not be a "best of the best" event. Maybe so in the Summer, but not in the Winter of 2020 and 2021.

I guess the consensus is that soccer will be played, by enough teams and not streamed but recorded. D1 coaches will not be in attendance. The chances of a D2/D3 coach attending are probably not very high. Will CA D2/D3 schools go against the directives, mandates, orders, whatever they are calling them?

There is an exact 50 camp in Mesa, AZ on 20 DEC, with some coaches scheduled to attend.
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They covered it pages ago before we all went off topic.

Surf is on, but much smaller. Many top clubs are not attending. Surf and some Blues teams are going, but no other clubs were named as definitely attending. This leaves open slots to be filled by weaker teams.

The new guidance might or might not change things for the clubs/teams who are still in.
 
Here’s a chart I found online
 

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Grace T. said:
No way that happens if the California standards remain in place. They'll be low levels of transmission still for the foreseeable future unless they do a massive and very sweeping vaccine mandate (remember they aren't even planning to catch kids 0-12 until late summer/early fall, and if they try and do a mandate we have other problems). A return to normalcy only happens if people demand a return to normal after the vaccine is widely deployed and force the government's hand. Otherwise, if these standards remain in place, tournaments likely aren't happening this summer, league play will be restricted in the fall, and Disneyland is probably at restricted capacity and with mask mandates. Remember, in California, there is no green tier.
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Nah, I think it'll be open come the summer. We'll see.
 
Kicker4Life said:
You mean to show how arbitrary and unsubstantiated some of these guidelines are and how poorly they are thought through? Yah good point. Still sainting on that data to show outdoor youth sports art the spreader events )go ahead and look towards the other 49 states that allowed it...they should have some data available.

Also, talk to the over 50 Million people in the US lining up for Food lines because they can’t afford food after being put out of work.
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They’re just in line for heartburn medication.

If @MSK357 can say everyone is dying of heartburn or anything else besides Covid-19, why can’t my truth be that no one is unemployed, they’re just in line for something else. Truthiness forever! Who needs facts?
 
EOTL said:
Who needs facts?
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Obviously not the people making policies!

Don’t confuse the “died with” versus “died of” distinction. Try not to splash around and muddy the water whilst throwing your tantrums when your wrong. It’s very childish.

As for the Food Lines, watched the story on CNN this morning. WHO estimates over 150 million worldwide will be adversely affected by hunger directly related to Covid policies. If 1% of those affected dieting would be triple the number that have Died With Covid. How many people have to die because of inept policy making? How many are you ok with killing?
 
dad4 said:
They covered it pages ago before we all went off topic.

Surf is on, but much smaller. Many top clubs are not attending. Surf and some Blues teams are going, but no other clubs were named as definitely attending. This leaves open slots to be filled by weaker teams.

The new guidance might or might not change things for the clubs/teams who are still in.
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It seem odd that a club as high profile as Surf would publicly violate the guidance by sending their teams. I wouldn't be shocked to see CDPH make and example out of them, as they are just flat out saying they won't adhere to the guidance if they send any of their CA based teams. Likewise it would be very bad PR for any big clubs to send teams.
 
Kicker4Life said:
Obviously not the people making policies!

Don’t confuse the “died with” versus “died of” distinction. Try not to splash around and muddy the water whilst throwing your tantrums when your wrong. It’s very childish.

As for the Food Lines, watched the story on CNN this morning. WHO estimates over 150 million worldwide will be adversely affected by hunger directly related to Covid policies. If 1% of those affected dieting would be triple the number that have Died With Covid. How many people have to die because of inept policy making? How many are you ok with killing?
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Yes, I get it. You and your buddies think heartburn and other ailments are killing everyone, although there are more than 300,000 excess deaths so far this year compared to the estimated upper bound (aka worst case scenario). Rationalize however you like, but more than 300,000 people have died so far because of Covid-19, and you and your friends are ready to kill as many more as it takes so your kiddie can lace ‘em up right now.

It is nice to hear that you are finally concerned about world hunger. You got a really, really late start on that, but better late than never.
 
EOTL said:
Why has all of this happened? Because too many people refused to look past even their own short term interests. Remember when @MSK357 and his friends were calling this a hoax and were upset about social distancing because they claimed only 14, then 120, then only 1000 than no way it get above 12000? And when @Grace T. was encouraging unnecessary interstate travel and even gloating about it, and was ripping in masks until last week? And @Desert Hound complaining about not being able to go to bars and encouraging everyone to travel to AZ for kiddie soccer? Even now these people are blaming those who took it seriously and did their best to limit spread for causing people to commit suicide 10 months into a pandemic that they caused to spin out of control.

Don’t blame me for where we are.
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EOTL said:
Because virtually every state in the country has much higher infection and mortality rates than CA. Because all the contacts you will have at the airport and all the other places you go significantly increases the risk that you will bring it to CA. Because taking steps to discourage mass travel significantly reduces the number of interactions people have which, in turn, substantially slows down the rate of transmission. Because if you can’t travel, the 1000 people you would have had some close contact with at the airport and during your visit, and the 1000 they had, and the 1000 they had, is now zero. You only have your trip to the grocery store and the five people you ran into there that you can potentially kill.
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Oh God it’s you again… Preaching. What are you goinf talk about when this thing goes away.
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Don't lie to little girls!!!!!

@EOTL I have Q for you. Why are you so mean to kids and their parents? Why you here? Honestly, no kids that play the game but here 24/7? Where is Espola when you need him? You made fun of my dd and have said on numerous times how she is no good now. Just so you know, she is on here. 100% true bro. She can write very well so get ready for her. I want you two to have an open discussion as well. She's a big girl and can handle her own. I know she is appalled at the things you say. I must admit, I too have said things that she's appalled by so were both typical males. You have given her great motivation sir and some others on here as well. Plus, you blame me for taking all the top 04' Blues players to Surf so I could win the Natty, which was a big fat lie and hurt my reputation. I can also go back and read all your BS!!!! My goat is motivated like non other. Running hills at 9am. She wont forget it, like ever the things you said about her. She is getting ready to showcase and prove you wrong brother. Telling her she's all washed up and a "has been" and not the player she was when she was 11, 12 and 13 is so sic. Shame on you mean little man. Plus, mean man EOTL is also mean to our sweet Gracie. Love you Grace :) You can say sorry right now to her and my dd. Karma???? We both have forgiven you. Please, do the right thing and treat all the young girls right and all woman. Parents were sold BS and were lied to so many times and you just laugh at us Coach _______________________________________.
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i’ve asked that before… About EOTL. I don’t even think he has kids that play soccer… He just likes to come on here and call everyone murderers and selfish bastards. He’s part of the “woke” culture Where everyone is a racist selfish prick if you don’t agree with him. Stating that everything should be perpetually shut down while I’m sure he’s sitting on his ass at home collecting a paycheck. I just him ignore him for the most part. .
 
ITFC Blues said:
It seem odd that a club as high profile as Surf would publicly violate the guidance by sending their teams. I wouldn't be shocked to see CDPH make and example out of them, as they are just flat out saying they won't adhere to the guidance if they send any of their CA based teams. Likewise it would be very bad PR for any big clubs to send teams.
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Surf has really painted itself into a corner. They probably should have canceled last week with the stay at home order as an excuse.
 
watfly said:
Surf has really painted itself into a corner. They probably should have canceled last week with the stay at home order as an excuse.
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On this, we can agree. You might also change "week" into "August", but hey.

We're 12 days out from Surf Youngers and no schedule posted. There are definitely tournaments that hold off until the last minute, but Surf are running out of time for coach conflicts, parent scheduling ("do we make the drive early Sunday or late Saturday night"), etc. I'd be getting nervous for my $1400 right about now.
 
EOTL said:
Yes, I get it. You and your buddies think heartburn and other ailments are killing everyone, although there are more than 300,000 excess deaths so far this year compared to the estimated upper bound (aka worst case scenario). Rationalize however you like, but more than 300,000 people have died so far because of Covid-19, and you and your friends are ready to kill as many more as it takes so your kiddie can lace ‘em up right now.

It is nice to hear that you are finally concerned about world hunger. You got a really, really late start on that, but better late than never.
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In “excess” of what? How does 2020 stack up agains YTD 2019?

I don’t have a “kiddie” both mine are Olders but at least I have 2 that play. Still waiting on that data to support youth outdoor sports are any more of a “spreader event” than going to the grocery store.....really burning you up isn’t it.

I’m not the one rationalizing......
 
happy9 said:
But what about the fate of Surf Cup? I thought....well, I thought that's what we were talking about. Now we are talking about the inadequacies of our local governments and the ability to cherry pick information to satisfy personal needs.

I just want to know if people still think they are playing Surf Cup. And if they are, how do they know that. It's apparent to many that this will not be a "best of the best" event. Maybe so in the Summer, but not in the Winter of 2020 and 2021.

I guess the consensus is that soccer will be played, by enough teams and not streamed but recorded. D1 coaches will not be in attendance. The chances of a D2/D3 coach attending are probably not very high. Will CA D2/D3 schools go against the directives, mandates, orders, whatever they are calling them?

There is an exact 50 camp in Mesa, AZ on 20 DEC, with some coaches scheduled to attend.
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Just go with. I gave up trying to decipher half of the threads here.
 
Glitterhater said:
Just go with. I gave up trying to decipher half of the threads here.
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I know, but there isn't a tangible end state resulting from rehashing opinions based on which side you chose back in March. Oh well.

I figured enough people on here know enough (and know someone, if even twice removed) to nail this down. I guess at the end of the day it doesn't matter for most. I would say that many on here are not going based on their club's decision. I live here and our club has backed out, citing lack of schedules, quality fields, and quality of competition. I would think many clubs used similar criteria (along with travel restrictions/mandates, etc)
 
MacDre said:
Come on Grace, the cannons of legislative construction is basic 1L stuff. To hell with the plain meaning of the order written under duress during a pandemic, what is the legislative intent?
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And so then the 2L con law questions are first whether the State has the authority to prohibit its residents from engaging in specific and otherwise lawful activity while in another state, and if so, what is the standard of review? Can you think of any current examples where a regulation like this exists?

Please don't take from my questions that I'm pro or anti covid restrictions or pro or anti surf cup as that horse has been beaten to a pulp; I'm interested in your take, EOTL's and others who are willing to stick to the question of the legitimacy of such blanket "out of state tournament ban" and whether you are concerned about the precedent it would set across the country concerning other morality/public health issues like prohibiting traveling to other States to engage in gambling, recreational drug use, abortion, assisted suicide, etc.? (And please, I'm not saying kiddie soccer is the same as assisted suicide and the other issues I just mentioned, it's just my initial "slippery slope argument" thought in the moment.)

This specific ban is just above prohibiting dining indoors while in a different State. Has that been banned yet too? I think we agree it is not smart to eat indoors whether it is legal in a jurisdiction or not, but does the State have the police power to regulate that activity outside its borders to this extent?

My thought, because of my concern over precedent as well as a broader approach to actually reduce further introduction of the virus into CA is that a more appropriate regulation would be a mandatory quarantine upon arrival to the State, essential travel or not. Thoughts?
 
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