Surf Cup's Fate

Willie said:
How do people on here know if a tournament is or is not carrying insurance for an event? Do we know for sure Natives does not have insurance for the event?
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A sanctioned tournament by Cal South must carry insurance. If your coach wants to go to some obscure unsanctioned tournament, just ask why.
 
watfly said:
From a business standpoint a tournament should absolutely carry insurance (and yes its a red flag for cutting corners if they dont), but to sue a tournament because your kid got hurt by some idiot kid that took him out is sad and pathetic, not to mention a likely loser in court. Sue the kids parents if you want. If you can't assume the inherent risks of injury from the actions of other players without suing 3rd parties then do us all a favor and don't participate in the sport. Liability insurance and workers comp insurance are fundamentally different but I suspect you know that. Now if the tournament allows play on gopher holed field or spreads out broken glass on the pitch than yes feel free to pursue the tournament's insurance.

I can empathize with a kid that gets injured and loses a soccer opportunity, but I can't empathize with parents that whine about not being able to fund college because their child lost a scholarship when they failed to setup a 529, or other savings, before their kid was even able to walk.
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I agree with 90% of what you are saying. Don't ever count on a soccer scholarship. As you may or may not know, those kinds of personal injury lawsuits are designed to not go to court. They will settle 99.999% of the time, or head to arbitration. Starting legal action based upon actions in-game definitely gets into the coffee-is-hot side of our judicial system but again, it happens all the time. Signing up for a tournament which is unsanctioned and doesn't carry insurance is not worth the risk to you as a parent or your child as a player. While the free market for tournaments has been completely disrupted, all of these tournaments trying to pop up under the radar are moving forward like they're in some kind of a vacuum where people will just forget about all the shady shit post-vaccine.

"Oh yeah, that club went forward with throwing a tournament during the height of the pandemic and when a vast majority of their customers were exceedingly anxious about (everything)" is not something I would want associated with my club, but there we are.
 
MSK357 said:
you didnt really answer the question you responded to.
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Sorry, the answer is "you know if the tournament is carrying insurance by seeing it on the list put out by Cal South." I thought that was more clear in my response but apologize if it wasn't.
 
notintheface said:
Sorry, the answer is "you know if the tournament is carrying insurance by seeing it on the list put out by Cal South." I thought that was more clear in my response but apologize if it wasn't.
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so you cant really say natives doesnt have insurance. Just that its not listed on cal south. just to be clear.
 
MSK357 said:
so you cant really say natives doesnt have insurance. Just that its not listed on cal south. just to be clear.
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I wasn't talking about any tournament specifically. I have no idea what's going down in Coachella nor do I really care-- from scanning their website it looks like a local rec level club going for a cash grab and it looks like they suckered Beach and Pats parents into it.
 
notintheface said:
Signing up for a tournament which is unsanctioned and doesn't carry insurance is not worth the risk to you as a parent or your child as a player.

"Oh yeah, that club went forward with throwing a tournament during the height of the pandemic and when a vast majority of their customers were exceedingly anxious about (everything)" is not something I would want associated with my club, but there we are.
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It would be worth the risk (which is incredibly low) to me and my child. That's a decision each family has to make for themselves, I would support someone's decision either way. I would never blame another party for me or my child catching Covid. Getting infected with Covid is overwhelming based on your own actions and not the actions of others. So unless a Covid positive TD is licking the complimentary water bottles, I will take responsibility for my own actions.

Now from a clubs standpoint that's an entirely different equation. 100% I would never recommend that a club host a tournament without the proper insurance and signed waivers (for whatever those are worth).

BTW our club isn't even registered with CalSouth, since we don't participate in any CalSouth sanctioned leagues. There sanctioning is meaningless to us.
 
keeprunning said:
Lots of other sports...
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May be a staffing issue. For the most part, soccer fields are soccer fields and do not have to share with another sport. Plenty of baseball happening over new years weekend. Gilbert is a big baseball town as is scottsdale, peoria, etc.

Unlikely any city has planned to staff their fields to support a major tournament like Surf. I don't see how they pull this off so last minute. Mesa is also a big baseball town.
 
notintheface said:
I wasn't talking about any tournament specifically. I have no idea what's going down in Coachella nor do I really care-- from scanning their website it looks like a local rec level club going for a cash grab and it looks like they suckered Beach and Pats parents into it.
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its the only place to play as a club without quarantining. im sure more clubs will be playing in the next tournament there now that nevada and arizona are done for a while. much better drive than arizona.
 
RSL tournament cancelled;
The City of Phoenix has made the decision to close all parks and cancel all events for the foreseeable future and I am sorry to inform you that we are no longer able to accept out-of-states teams. Surf Cup will be cancelled
 
notintheface said:
Starting legal action based upon actions in-game definitely gets into the coffee-is-hot side of our judicial system but again, it happens all the time.
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Are you referring to the case against McDonalds for serving superheated coffee? If so, you don't know the details of the case. McDonalds was serving coffee in sealed cups that were pressure tight. They would reheat those cups in a microwave, causing the coffee to become superheated (hotter than the boiling temperature of water at atmospheric pressure). This caused the pressure in the sealed cup to increase, preventing the coffee from boiling. When the plaintiff broke the pressure seal by pushing the straw or stirrer (can't remember exactly) through the lid, the pressure in the cup dropped to atmospheric pressure causing the coffee to boil over and spew out of the cup under pressure. Everyone expects coffee to be hot, but they do not expect the coffee to spray out of the cup under pressure as the coffee boils over. The plaintiff received 3rd degree burns to their crotch and McDonalds justifiably lost that case. There are bad lawsuit cases out there, but this is not one of them.
 
I think you would still have to quarantine if you play those tournaments. By travelling to a soccer tournament you are violating the CDPH Limit on Non Essential travel and your employer can likely force you to quarantine. That order is in effect. You would also be participating in a gathering with more than 3 households and would need to quarantine, even without the regional stay at home order in effect. If clubs participate they are going against the local requirements which could violate their plans filed with the local health departments.
 
ITFC Blues said:
I think you would still have to quarantine if you play those tournaments. By travelling to a soccer tournament you are violating the CDPH Limit on Non Essential travel and your employer can likely force you to quarantine. That order is in effect. You would also be participating in a gathering with more than 3 households and would need to quarantine, even without the regional stay at home order in effect. If clubs participate they are going against the local requirements which could violate their plans filed with the local health departments.
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I think you are under the assumption that most people care or respect these arbitrary rules put in place by state officials who don't even follow their own orders. I personally don't care about any stay at home order. This isn't about science anymore, this (covid) has become a religion to people in this country and lots of people on this message board. It's not about doing what's right by the kids or even following the science, to lots of people who are preaching about rules and lockdown restrictions it has become a part of their identity. I think that kind of mentality is weird and I would never let it dictate my decisions for myself or my family.
 
oh canada said:
Update from the other AZ cities (Surf will likely try to reschedule again to a holiday weekend in March/April):

"Those options may be limited, though. Some surrounding communities, such as Chandler, Gilbert, Mesa and Peoria say they aren't accepting new tournament reservation requests right now. Scottsdale says it is fully booked. Buckeye, Goodyear, Surprise and Tucson are not allowing tournaments right now, according to research compiled by Phoenix."

"Glendale is taking applications for field rentals and reviewing them individually, according to Paul King, the city's recreation administrator. The city hasn't received new requests from tournament organizers in the past few days, he said.

Scottsdale has received requests from tournament organizers in the past few days, some of which are coming because of "the cancellation of other Valley field reservations," spokesperson Ann Porter said.

"Scottsdale is fully booked, and we are unable to accommodate these requests," Porter said.
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Your info is incorrect. Surf cup coordinator emailed our club the correct info but keep on guessing.
 
StrikerOC said:
I think you are under the assumption that most people care or respect these arbitrary rules put in place by state officials who don't even follow their own orders. I personally don't care about any stay at home order. This isn't about science anymore, this (covid) has become a religion to people in this country and lots of people on this message board. It's not about doing what's right by the kids or even following the science, to lots of people who are preaching about rules and lockdown restrictions it has become a part of their identity. I think that kind of mentality is weird and I would never let it dictate my decisions for myself or my family.
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100%

It's fanatical now at this point. These tournaments are outdoors and people can wear masks. Ridiculous to enact all these authoritarian restrictions. It's psychotic and people are beginning to worship these talking political heads as prophets. It's disgusting.
 
Lavey29 said:
Your info is incorrect. Surf cup coordinator emailed our club the correct info but keep on guessing.
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The info he provided is not incorrect. Fields are hard to come by and Surf is struggling to get a cohesive plan in place that makes sense and provides good playing surfaces. The loss of that many fields with lights is hard to make up. Surf will continue to string everyone along until the last minute, just like they've been doing all year. I don't blame them, it's just what they've been doing.

As an AZ native, I hope Surf just goes away. I am not anti tournament, anti play, etc, but I'm a realist. Let people finish hyperventilating over cases and then move on. Come back and play in FEB, plenty of tournaments then.
 
happy9 said:
The info he provided is not incorrect. Fields are hard to come by and Surf is struggling to get a cohesive plan in place that makes sense and provides good playing surfaces. The loss of that many fields with lights is hard to make up. Surf will continue to string everyone along until the last minute, just like they've been doing all year. I don't blame them, it's just what they've been doing.

As an AZ native, I hope Surf just goes away. I am not anti tournament, anti play, etc, but I'm a realist. Let people finish hyperventilating over cases and then move on. Come back and play in FEB, plenty of tournaments then.
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There's no doubting the skyrocketing cases and hospitalizations both here in Cali and in AZ. More cases = more risk, regardless of your age, environment etc. If we can all agree to that, then why not just let go of playing one particular soccer tournament in 4 weeks and plan on playing in another in 8-12 weeks (still likely in AZ unfortunately)? I disagree with almost everything Newsom says, but I do think he got one thing right...we are in the 8th inning of this thing so just hang on a little longer and help our doctors and nurses save as many lives as possible.
 
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