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The key is strategical social distancing and quarantine like Sweden did. I would even add that we separate the population at risk from the rest of everyone else until we build herd immunity. The population at risk can wait for the vaccine. Or if they need to come out have them sign a Covid waiver and we’ll give them a special red colored n95 mask If they wish to take the risk. That way we all know to stay away from them. Look at Sweden. They did it right.

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What do you think "herd immunity" means?
 
What do you think "herd immunity" means?

Collateral damage. It’s like we have x numbers of fatalities from car accidents a year but we don’t stop everyone from driving and getting around ;) under 6000 deaths for Sweden is not bad. Try searching for how many people die of heart disease. Let’s ban junk food
 
Collateral damage. It’s like we have x numbers of fatalities from car accidents a year but we don’t stop everyone from driving and getting around ;) under 6000 deaths for Sweden is not bad. Try searching for how many people die of heart disease. Let’s ban junk food

That's not even close. Where did you learn that?
 
@Luis Andres only and for no one else. Stay the course my brother. I will go back to me wife and get all cozy and snugly with some hot coco and watch the real Coo Coo bird swarm around. BTW, I hear #2 is making some noise. The world is changing bro and #2 is primed for the feature of being a great girls goat youth soccer player. They should have u12 and under playing right now. I hope The Governor will show more Mercy to the youth. I will stay home and we have not visited grandma & grandpa since Jan :(
 
@Luis Andres only and for no one else. Stay the course my brother. I will go back to me wife and get all cozy and snugly with some hot coco and watch the real Coo Coo bird swarm around. BTW, I hear #2 is making some noise. The world is changing bro and #2 is primed for the feature of being a great girls goat youth soccer player. They should have u12 and under playing right now. I hope The Governor will show more Mercy to the youth. I will stay home and we have not visited grandma & grandpa since Jan :(

Newsom is just playing the Trump Games. But there is new hope with this new home testing for CovidD4068070-5DFA-4599-B415-E8D93FFBBA81.jpeg
 
Sweden has more deaths per population than we do, despite socialized medicine. 564 per million instead of 451 per million.

If we are going to copy a European country, why not try to do what Germany did? They also have declining cases, but only had to suffer 110 deaths per million.
 
Gavin Newsom’s $3.7 Million Estate Was Gifted to Him in 2019; 3 Months Later He Got a $2.7 Million Tax Free Cash-Out
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Gavin Newsom’s $3.7 million, 12,000 square foot mansion, on 8+ acres along the American River in Sacramento, was the area’s most expensive home sale in 2018
The gated estate consists of a 6 bedroom/10 bath home, a guest house, a pool, a tennis court, and a wine cave
An LLC registered to Newsom’s cousin, long-time business partner, and Co-President of PlumpJack, Jeremy Scherer, paid cash for the estate in December 2018
Newsom’s spox, though, claimed in Jan 2019 that it was Newsom who’d paid cash for the home – puzzling, since Newsom still carried a $3.2 million mortgage on his prior home
In Oct 2019 the LLC gifted the home to the Newsoms free and clear, claiming Newsom was a member of the LLC to avoid a $4,000 Transfer Tax
In January 2020 the Newsoms received $2.7 million tax-free when they obtained a cash-out refinance
Newsom’s financial disclosure forms don’t mention the LLC or the gifts, which far exceed the $500 limit
In 2003, Newsom was cited for failing to disclose $11 million in real estate and business loans
One thing that’s become extraordinarily clear to Californians in 2020 is that there’s one set of rules for Gov. Gavin Newsom, and there’s another set of rules for the rest of us. He preaches that we’re all in this together and that we have to sacrifice to “meet this moment,” yet he’s not missing a paycheck.

As California businesses struggle, he sends a $1 billion contract for masks to a Chinese company. When he shut down wineries throughout 80 percent of California, he kept his open.

While the dream of owning a home is increasingly out of reach for California’s families, it appears that Newsom received a $3.7 million estate from an LLC owned by his cousin then, a few months later took out a $2.695 million (tax-free) cash-out mortgage on it — and didn’t report the gift on any of his financial disclosure forms.

Yes, it’s clear that Gavin Newsom doesn’t live by the same rules the rest of us do. It’s good to be king.

During the eight years that Gavin Newsom served as California’s Lieutenant Governor, he and his family still lived a few hours from Sacramento, in their $4.5 million Bay Area compound. Throughout the 2018 gubernatorial campaign, he wouldn’t commit to moving his family to the capital. Days before his January 7, 2019 swearing-in ceremony, Newsom announced that the family would be moving into the Governor’s Mansion — which wasn’t true at all. Unbeknownst to the public, an LLC owned by Newsom’s cousin had already purchased an estate in Fair Oaks on December 21, 2018, for the Governor’s family to live in, for $3.7 million cash.
 
Collateral damage. It’s like we have x numbers of fatalities from car accidents a year but we don’t stop everyone from driving and getting around ;) under 6000 deaths for Sweden is not bad. Try searching for how many people die of heart disease. Let’s ban junk food
Let me help you out with the numbers....according to the Insurance for Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS), in 2018 there were 33,564 fatal motor vehicle accidents in the U.S., causing 36,560 deaths. Obviously COVID has already significantly passed that number. What has been implemented to prevent traffic fatalities is we ticket people who drive over the speed limit, don't stop at stop signs, drive recklessly, and don't head the temporary mandates so to speak (i.e. "slow to 25 miles an hour men at work" etc.). We basically stop them from having freedom to make dumb choices.
 
Let me help you out with the numbers....according to the Insurance for Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS), in 2018 there were 33,564 fatal motor vehicle accidents in the U.S., causing 36,560 deaths. Obviously COVID has already significantly passed that number. What has been implemented to prevent traffic fatalities is we ticket people who drive over the speed limit, don't stop at stop signs, drive recklessly, and don't head the temporary mandates so to speak (i.e. "slow to 25 miles an hour men at work" etc.). We basically stop them from having freedom to make dumb choices.

Slight quibble. The relevant comparison isn’t the no of car deaths per year. The relevant comparison is the no of deaths over the existence of Covid (whenever years hence the thing finally fades) v no of deaths over the existence of the car.

According to the studies done now on the efficacies of lockdowns, as well as Los Angeles own experience when before lockdowns the r0 had dropped, the measures you describe are the equivalent of social distancing. The hard measures being bandied about by the lockdown til vaccine school would be the equivalent of dropping the speed limit to 35 or 25 mph (depending on severity of lockdown), banning more than 1 passenger, alcohol sensors on every car and banning teenaged drivers.

Hearing more complications re the vaccine. May not be 100% effective particularly with elderly. 20% hard no’s Saying they won’t take it. Will likely require at least 2 injections to be effective at all. Will likely require boosters several times to remain effective. Children’s testing is running far behind and they won’t be in first groups and pediatric doses for small ones delayed. Faucis date is already slipping too. For those in perpetual lockdown and schoolS shut until the vaccine, it’s not the panacea you think it is...at least for a while....see the Atlantic article among others.
 
Let me help you out with the numbers....according to the Insurance for Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS), in 2018 there were 33,564 fatal motor vehicle accidents in the U.S., causing 36,560 deaths. Obviously COVID has already significantly passed that number. What has been implemented to prevent traffic fatalities is we ticket people who drive over the speed limit, don't stop at stop signs, drive recklessly, and don't head the temporary mandates so to speak (i.e. "slow to 25 miles an hour men at work" etc.). We basically stop them from having freedom to make dumb choices.

I like what you have posted here, but you missed the point that none of that has anything to do with "herd immunity" as Luis seems to be claiming.
 
Collateral damage. It’s like we have x numbers of fatalities from car accidents a year but we don’t stop everyone from driving and getting around ;) under 6000 deaths for Sweden is not bad. Try searching for how many people die of heart disease. Let’s ban junk food
As far as how many people die of heart disease....the people that die from heart disease are not dying because of the choices made by other people so the analogy makes 0 sense.
 
Slight quibble. The relevant comparison isn’t the no of car deaths per year. The relevant comparison is the no of deaths over the existence of Covid (whenever years hence the thing finally fades) v no of deaths over the existence of the car.

According to the studies done now on the efficacies of lockdowns, as well as Los Angeles own experience when before lockdowns the r0 had dropped, the measures you describe are the equivalent of social distancing. The hard measures being bandied about by the lockdown til vaccine school would be the equivalent of dropping the speed limit to 35 or 25 mph (depending on severity of lockdown), banning more than 1 passenger, alcohol sensors on every car and banning teenaged drivers.

Hearing more complications re the vaccine. May not be 100% effective particularly with elderly. 20% hard no’s Saying they won’t take it. Will likely require at least 2 injections to be effective at all. Will likely require boosters several times to remain effective. Children’s testing is running far behind and they won’t be in first groups and pediatric doses for small ones delayed. Faucis date is already slipping too. For those in perpetual lockdown and schoolS shut until the vaccine, it’s not the panacea you think it is...at least for a while....see the Atlantic article among others.
Please share the studies and support for your comments. It is about hospitalization capacity! Obviously various levels of shut down work because the recent mandates on no indoor dining etc. reduced the increases we have been seeing in hospitalizations starting this last week.
 
Slight quibble. The relevant comparison isn’t the no of car deaths per year. The relevant comparison is the no of deaths over the existence of Covid (whenever years hence the thing finally fades) v no of deaths over the existence of the car.

According to the studies done now on the efficacies of lockdowns, as well as Los Angeles own experience when before lockdowns the r0 had dropped, the measures you describe are the equivalent of social distancing. The hard measures being bandied about by the lockdown til vaccine school would be the equivalent of dropping the speed limit to 35 or 25 mph (depending on severity of lockdown), banning more than 1 passenger, alcohol sensors on every car and banning teenaged drivers.

Hearing more complications re the vaccine. May not be 100% effective particularly with elderly. 20% hard no’s Saying they won’t take it. Will likely require at least 2 injections to be effective at all. Will likely require boosters several times to remain effective. Children’s testing is running far behind and they won’t be in first groups and pediatric doses for small ones delayed. Faucis date is already slipping too. For those in perpetual lockdown and schoolS shut until the vaccine, it’s not the panacea you think it is...at least for a while....see the Atlantic article among others.
By the way...just because there is a study doesn't mean it is valid. There are many studies out there that aren't "peer reviewed". I stop reading at the point I see "not peer reviewed" because there are many studies reported that are crap. There is one study out there that says Hydrogen Peroxide cures cancer. Obviously the notation of being peer reviewed is not included.

I believe one of the studies you are referring to isn't peer reviewed and in fact includes 16 people.
 
I like what you have posted here, but you missed the point that none of that has anything to do with "herd immunity" as Luis seems to be claiming.
Oh...I scan through many comments and if they haven't articulated a position in a succinct fashion then I miss it. I did see something about herd immunity but that argument is sooo old and debunked I don't even deal with it.
 
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