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My proposition to Newsom:
If we protect people that are 65 and over and anyone with underlying conditions from 50-65 range and the rest of this group with n95 masks. Have the 65+ (retired) Quarantine and wait for the vaccine. While the rest of us the healthy population build herd immunity. Covid becomes the flu after removing the population most at risk = Ages 50+ It approaches the flu when we further realize the fact we are not even considering the undetected cases out there that are not part of the total number of cases discovered greater than 40% asymptomatic. And not considering if you take the additional step to further quarantine obesity (43%) and people with underlying conditions from the 0-49 age group. Then you are dealing with the flu at 0.1% death rate. 30% of the population needs to be in quarantine and more than 1/2 of this group is already retired. We need logical solutions that come with options. We can’t take the communist approach. Of everybody locked down. ‍♂

COVID-19 Data from COVID19 CA GOV site as of 7/16/2020

(Click the bars to see the specific numbers)

Positive Cases Ages 0-17 = 29,945
Deaths ages 0-17 = 0
Percentage of Deaths with Cases = 0%

Positive Cases Ages 18-49 = 213,083
Deaths Ages 18-49 = 477
Percentage of Deaths with Cases = 0.22%
(Mask)

Positive Cases Ages 50-64 = 69,998
Deaths Ages 50-64 = 1,238
Percentage of Deaths with Cases = 1.76%
(Quarantine or n95 mask)

Positive Cases 65 & Older = 42,748
Deaths Ages 65 & Older = 5,568
Percentage of Deaths 65 & Older = 13.02% (Quarantine)

Percentage of Deaths by Ages
0-17 = 0%
18-49 = 7% wear masks
50-64 = 17% wear masks n95 or quarantine
65 & Older = 77% Quarantine

Percentage of CA Population by Ages
0-17 years old = 23% of CA population
18-49 years old = 44% of CA population
50-64 years old = 18% of CA population
65 years & older = 16% of CA population

Lot of coaches over 55 out there. Looks like we need a changing of the guard this year. Referees too.
 
Lot of coaches over 55 out there. Looks like we need a changing of the guard this year. Referees too.

They need to wear the n95 masks and come out coaching like this.3483E30C-C22E-49FC-81C4-83CA040BB4E1.jpeg

The problem of covid19 stems from the asymptomatic cases from fit and healthy people that can transmit without knowing. That’s where the danger lies. The logical solution is this.


“The reason why the fittest population needs to build herd immunity first is to eliminate them from becoming vectors later that can potentially infect the population at risk if it’s re-introduced back from Quarantine through the phases.” #crux They desperately need the vaccine to come back from quarantine.
 
Saw an email that Slammers had over 600 kids at their " CAMP" in Newport last weekend. Training also going on today and this weekend, hope no ones dd gets the virus. Those parks in Newport are pretty small to social distance on. Must be a hell of a waiver the parents signed since Cal South and ECNL wont cover them
 
Saw an email that Slammers had over 600 kids at their " CAMP" in Newport last weekend. Training also going on today and this weekend, hope no ones dd gets the virus. Those parks in Newport are pretty small to social distance on. Must be a hell of a waiver the parents signed since Cal South and ECNL wont cover them
Lot's of rumor mill going on out there. I would like to see a club challenge the rules set out by our Governor and maybe this is the way to do it? I know some don't like that and want everyone to follow the same set of rules the rest of us are obeying. My buddy lives in HB and their doing a recall down there and not a lot folks wearing a Mask. We should be all watching for the DMs in HB and all the soccer junkies breaking some rules set out by the health pros.
 
My son's GK trainer has been kicked off now from 2 fields (one in LA County and one in VC county in the last 2 weeks. My son's field trainer has been kicked off of 3. When they were shutting him down, I stopped to chat up the parks and rec guy (after putting on a mask). Guy was wearing a mask in a completely empty field....really insane....told me while normally they just wink and a nod with PT, they have strict instructions now in the 2 counties to shut it down. Even at the height of the lockdowns DYS had his once weekly goalkeeper training. This is so much worse for him than the initial lockdown....he's very close right now to cracking (a lot of regression in his behavior....moderate signs of depression). So glad we are getting out (older will have a pool to lap practice). Assuming I get medical clearance this Monday, we'll be in the great state of Utah before the end of the week.
 
My son's GK trainer has been kicked off now from 2 fields (one in LA County and one in VC county in the last 2 weeks. My son's field trainer has been kicked off of 3. When they were shutting him down, I stopped to chat up the parks and rec guy (after putting on a mask). Guy was wearing a mask in a completely empty field....really insane....told me while normally they just wink and a nod with PT, they have strict instructions now in the 2 counties to shut it down. Even at the height of the lockdowns DYS had his once weekly goalkeeper training. This is so much worse for him than the initial lockdown....he's very close right now to cracking (a lot of regression in his behavior....moderate signs of depression). So glad we are getting out (older will have a pool to lap practice). Assuming I get medical clearance this Monday, we'll be in the great state of Utah before the end of the week.

insane, guy wearing a mask in a complete empty field.o_O Just like the dude I saw the other day driving with a mask inside his car by himself with the windows up and ac on. ‍♂️
 
Uh - except Florida is outpacing California in number of cases with a little over half the population. That isn't "making it work".

We are playing and training normally here in Texas, and have been for months. Tournaments started a few weeks ago and are continuing every weekend. ECNL schedules are out (but not publicly published). Kids are playing, but spectator numbers are severely limited and there are firm rules for players to mask up and socially distance when not active on the pitch.

Two facts.

One, we are doing a terrible job as a community of slowing the spread of the virus in Texas.

Two, not a single case of Covid has been transmitted on the soccer field in the past several months while hundreds of teams have been training and scrimmaging together. Zero cases of player to player transmission. Not. A. Single. One.

Outdoor soccer has so far proven to not be a serious risk. There simply isn't the 15+ minutes of continuous close, poorly ventilated contact that the research shows is fueling the contagion.

There are lots of dumb things people are doing here in Texas that are risky and are fueling the spread (bars, church, overnight camps, restaurants, probably schools, etc). But the kids are getting to play soccer because the only reason not to do so is because it might make some Karen feel better about their false opinion that preventing outdoor soccer might be a significant contributor to ending the spread of the virus.

Current status is the parent's field access is severely limited with social distancing and mask restrictions (for game) or simply being confined to their cars (for training or scrimmages) and I don't see that changing soon. Good. It's a small price to pay for the kids getting safely play.
 
My son's GK trainer has been kicked off now from 2 fields (one in LA County and one in VC county in the last 2 weeks. My son's field trainer has been kicked off of 3. When they were shutting him down, I stopped to chat up the parks and rec guy (after putting on a mask). Guy was wearing a mask in a completely empty field....really insane....told me while normally they just wink and a nod with PT, they have strict instructions now in the 2 counties to shut it down. Even at the height of the lockdowns DYS had his once weekly goalkeeper training. This is so much worse for him than the initial lockdown....he's very close right now to cracking (a lot of regression in his behavior....moderate signs of depression). So glad we are getting out (older will have a pool to lap practice). Assuming I get medical clearance this Monday, we'll be in the great state of Utah before the end of the week.

 
The South Korea study from last week showed teenagers are roughly as contagious as adults.

Before that, I assumed teenagers were significantly lass contagious than 20-39 year olds.
The study they produced also was from schools that followed "strict" protocols. Temperatures taken of every student before stepping on school grounds, then again before entering classroom, physical distancing in class, masks all day, all staff temperature checked and tested frequently, hand washing several times a day. Fast testing and tracing. Stringent sanitizing of all surfaces in the school. Imagine our schools now and the non compliance of students and lack of self discipline. Sadly the results would not be the same.
 
We are playing and training normally here in Texas, and have been for months. Tournaments started a few weeks ago and are continuing every weekend. ECNL schedules are out (but not publicly published). Kids are playing, but spectator numbers are severely limited and there are firm rules for players to mask up and socially distance when not active on the pitch.

Two facts.

One, we are doing a terrible job as a community of slowing the spread of the virus in Texas.

Two, not a single case of Covid has been transmitted on the soccer field in the past several months while hundreds of teams have been training and scrimmaging together. Zero cases of player to player transmission. Not. A. Single. One.

Outdoor soccer has so far proven to not be a serious risk. There simply isn't the 15+ minutes of continuous close, poorly ventilated contact that the research shows is fueling the contagion.

There are lots of dumb things people are doing here in Texas that are risky and are fueling the spread (bars, church, overnight camps, restaurants, probably schools, etc). But the kids are getting to play soccer because the only reason not to do so is because it might make some Karen feel better about their false opinion that preventing outdoor soccer might be a significant contributor to ending the spread of the virus.

Current status is the parent's field access is severely limited with social distancing and mask restrictions (for game) or simply being confined to their cars (for training or scrimmages) and I don't see that changing soon. Good. It's a small price to pay for the kids getting safely play.
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Question, how frequently are all the players and coaches tested? After each practice, after each scrimmage, or once a week, once every two weeks? Since children, particularly young children can have covid but be asymptomatic, how do you know they haven't transmitted it to someone in the community or someone in their family who is also asymptomatic, then they pass it on to someone outside the family. If the players and coaches are tested on a regular basis, who pays for it, the club or the family? Or is no one being tested?
 
Was just thinking about this #foodforthought

Orange County population 3 million
Riverside population 2.4 million
San Diego population 1.4 million
La county population 10 million
San Bernardino county 2.1 million

Orange County where the Cali cowboys live, no one wears masks and they seem to ignore 6ft social distancing guidelines, seen it first hand. Shouldn’t they have at least twice the amount of cases than the rest of the top counties given that they have more people living in the county not wearing the masks and not social distancing ? Things don’t add up. Not saying to not wear a mask but just things don’t add up. Cause the rest of these counties wear masks.View attachment 8218
Hmmm, interesting, I see a lot of masks being worn in everyday in the OC.
 
where are the stories of the healthy soccer community over there ending up in hospitals with covid. No reports of kids or parents. I’m following it closely and they can serve as our guinea pigs.
You don't have to wind up in the hospital to have the virus and pass it on. Many, many people are asymptomatic.
 
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Question, how frequently are all the players and coaches tested? After each practice, after each scrimmage, or once a week, once every two weeks? Since children, particularly young children can have covid but be asymptomatic, how do you know they haven't transmitted it to someone in the community or someone in their family who is also asymptomatic, then they pass it on to someone outside the family. If the players and coaches are tested on a regular basis, who pays for it, the club or the family? Or is no one being tested?
Those aren't the testing guidelines recommended by the State of California or the CDC even for schools. In San Diego where youth practices are allowed you can't get a test unless you are showing symptoms or have significant evidence of exposure to a infected individual. It would be irresponsible of any individual that has contact with others to get a test on a whim without symptoms. The processing is already overwhelmed as it is and should be saved for those with actual symptoms. Going on 6 weeks of youth practices in San Diego with no evidence of infection or transmission from these activities. Your fear is unjustified.
 
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Question, how frequently are all the players and coaches tested? After each practice, after each scrimmage, or once a week, once every two weeks? Since children, particularly young children can have covid but be asymptomatic, how do you know they haven't transmitted it to someone in the community or someone in their family who is also asymptomatic, then they pass it on to someone outside the family. If the players and coaches are tested on a regular basis, who pays for it, the club or the family? Or is no one being tested?

Nobody is being tested unless there is a suspicion of sickness. But everyone is supposed to do a symptom and temperature check prior to leaving the house for any session and if suspected of any exposure in their life must quarantine.

There have been zero documented, suspected, or rumored player to player transmissions between the thousands of players at the thousands of practices that have happened these past few months in a community that isn't doing a great job of containing the virus.

One team I know of last week had a player who was possibly exposed at a day camp, so the whole team pulled out of a tournament as a precaution. So it isn't being transmitted in the community via contact on an outdoor soccer field.

It looks like schools are wisely going to be closed here with remote learning until at least October at the earliest. Good. That's smart. Indoor continuous contact is what is fueling the spread of Covid.

But as long as people and clubs are responsible and err on the side of caution like that team I just mentioned, and as long as outdoor intermittent contact via the game of soccer remains an extremely unlikely method of transmission, I see no reason why soccer won't continue to be played.
 
Those aren't the testing guidelines recommended by the State of California or the CDC even for schools. In San Diego where youth practices are allowed you can't get a test unless you are showing symptoms or have significant evidence of exposure to a infected individual. It would be irresponsible of any individual that has contact with others to get a test on a whim without symptoms. The processing is already overwhelmed as it is and should be saved for those with actual symptoms. Going on 6 weeks of youth practices in San Diego with no evidence of infection or transmission from these activities. Your fear is unjustified.
Distanced or contact in SD?
 
It looks like schools are wisely going to be closed here with remote learning until at least October at the earliest. Good. That's smart. Indoor continuous contact is what is fueling the spread of Covid.

Several public schools in the burbs and our private school had plans to move classes outside when weather permitted. The privates may still be granted waivers under footnote 2. But right now even those plans are scuttled.
 
My son's GK trainer has been kicked off now from 2 fields (one in LA County and one in VC county in the last 2 weeks. My son's field trainer has been kicked off of 3. When they were shutting him down, I stopped to chat up the parks and rec guy (after putting on a mask). Guy was wearing a mask in a completely empty field....really insane....told me while normally they just wink and a nod with PT, they have strict instructions now in the 2 counties to shut it down. Even at the height of the lockdowns DYS had his once weekly goalkeeper training. This is so much worse for him than the initial lockdown....he's very close right now to cracking (a lot of regression in his behavior....moderate signs of depression). So glad we are getting out (older will have a pool to lap practice). Assuming I get medical clearance this Monday, we'll be in the great state of Utah before the end of the week.

Yet OC teams are training out in the open in the OC???? I don't get it I really don't...
 
Nobody is being tested unless there is a suspicion of sickness. But everyone is supposed to do a symptom and temperature check prior to leaving the house for any session and if suspected of any exposure in their life must quarantine.

There have been zero documented, suspected, or rumored player to player transmissions between the thousands of players at the thousands of practices that have happened these past few months in a community that isn't doing a great job of containing the virus.

One team I know of last week had a player who was possibly exposed at a day camp, so the whole team pulled out of a tournament as a precaution. So it isn't being transmitted in the community via contact on an outdoor soccer field.

It looks like schools are wisely going to be closed here with remote learning until at least October at the earliest. Good. That's smart. Indoor continuous contact is what is fueling the spread of Covid.

But as long as people and clubs are responsible and err on the side of caution like that team I just mentioned, and as long as outdoor intermittent contact via the game of soccer remains an extremely unlikely method of transmission, I see no reason why soccer won't continue to be played.
This is good news and, as you state, given the relatively high rate of the virus at this point in Texas, it gives credence to the notion that outdoor sports is not a high risk activity. One question. Are you doing normal trainings or are they modified to ensure social distance?
 
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