exactly. Declining deaths
The key is strategical social distancing and quarantine like Sweden did. I would even add that we separate the population at risk from the rest of everyone else until we build herd immunity. The population at risk can wait for the vaccine. Or if they need to come out have them sign a Covid waiver and we’ll give them a special red colored n95 mask If they wish to take the risk. That way we all know to stay away from them. Look at Sweden. They did it right.
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exactly. Declining deaths
What do you think "herd immunity" means?
Collateral damage. It’s like we have x numbers of fatalities from car accidents a year but we don’t stop everyone from driving and getting aroundunder 6000 deaths for Sweden is not bad. Try searching for how many people die of heart disease. Let’s ban junk food
@Luis Andres only and for no one else. Stay the course my brother. I will go back to me wife and get all cozy and snugly with some hot coco and watch the real Coo Coo bird swarm around. BTW, I hear #2 is making some noise. The world is changing bro and #2 is primed for the feature of being a great girls goat youth soccer player. They should have u12 and under playing right now. I hope The Governor will show more Mercy to the youth. I will stay home and we have not visited grandma & grandpa since Jan![]()
Do they make up for it with the Volvo? It's a really safe car.After many unnecessary deaths.
Did you intend that response to make sense?
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Let me help you out with the numbers....according to the Insurance for Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS), in 2018 there were 33,564 fatal motor vehicle accidents in the U.S., causing 36,560 deaths. Obviously COVID has already significantly passed that number. What has been implemented to prevent traffic fatalities is we ticket people who drive over the speed limit, don't stop at stop signs, drive recklessly, and don't head the temporary mandates so to speak (i.e. "slow to 25 miles an hour men at work" etc.). We basically stop them from having freedom to make dumb choices.Collateral damage. It’s like we have x numbers of fatalities from car accidents a year but we don’t stop everyone from driving and getting aroundunder 6000 deaths for Sweden is not bad. Try searching for how many people die of heart disease. Let’s ban junk food
Let me help you out with the numbers....according to the Insurance for Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS), in 2018 there were 33,564 fatal motor vehicle accidents in the U.S., causing 36,560 deaths. Obviously COVID has already significantly passed that number. What has been implemented to prevent traffic fatalities is we ticket people who drive over the speed limit, don't stop at stop signs, drive recklessly, and don't head the temporary mandates so to speak (i.e. "slow to 25 miles an hour men at work" etc.). We basically stop them from having freedom to make dumb choices.
Let me help you out with the numbers....according to the Insurance for Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS), in 2018 there were 33,564 fatal motor vehicle accidents in the U.S., causing 36,560 deaths. Obviously COVID has already significantly passed that number. What has been implemented to prevent traffic fatalities is we ticket people who drive over the speed limit, don't stop at stop signs, drive recklessly, and don't head the temporary mandates so to speak (i.e. "slow to 25 miles an hour men at work" etc.). We basically stop them from having freedom to make dumb choices.
As far as how many people die of heart disease....the people that die from heart disease are not dying because of the choices made by other people so the analogy makes 0 sense.Collateral damage. It’s like we have x numbers of fatalities from car accidents a year but we don’t stop everyone from driving and getting aroundunder 6000 deaths for Sweden is not bad. Try searching for how many people die of heart disease. Let’s ban junk food
Please share the studies and support for your comments. It is about hospitalization capacity! Obviously various levels of shut down work because the recent mandates on no indoor dining etc. reduced the increases we have been seeing in hospitalizations starting this last week.Slight quibble. The relevant comparison isn’t the no of car deaths per year. The relevant comparison is the no of deaths over the existence of Covid (whenever years hence the thing finally fades) v no of deaths over the existence of the car.
According to the studies done now on the efficacies of lockdowns, as well as Los Angeles own experience when before lockdowns the r0 had dropped, the measures you describe are the equivalent of social distancing. The hard measures being bandied about by the lockdown til vaccine school would be the equivalent of dropping the speed limit to 35 or 25 mph (depending on severity of lockdown), banning more than 1 passenger, alcohol sensors on every car and banning teenaged drivers.
Hearing more complications re the vaccine. May not be 100% effective particularly with elderly. 20% hard no’s Saying they won’t take it. Will likely require at least 2 injections to be effective at all. Will likely require boosters several times to remain effective. Children’s testing is running far behind and they won’t be in first groups and pediatric doses for small ones delayed. Faucis date is already slipping too. For those in perpetual lockdown and schoolS shut until the vaccine, it’s not the panacea you think it is...at least for a while....see the Atlantic article among others.
By the way...just because there is a study doesn't mean it is valid. There are many studies out there that aren't "peer reviewed". I stop reading at the point I see "not peer reviewed" because there are many studies reported that are crap. There is one study out there that says Hydrogen Peroxide cures cancer. Obviously the notation of being peer reviewed is not included.Slight quibble. The relevant comparison isn’t the no of car deaths per year. The relevant comparison is the no of deaths over the existence of Covid (whenever years hence the thing finally fades) v no of deaths over the existence of the car.
According to the studies done now on the efficacies of lockdowns, as well as Los Angeles own experience when before lockdowns the r0 had dropped, the measures you describe are the equivalent of social distancing. The hard measures being bandied about by the lockdown til vaccine school would be the equivalent of dropping the speed limit to 35 or 25 mph (depending on severity of lockdown), banning more than 1 passenger, alcohol sensors on every car and banning teenaged drivers.
Hearing more complications re the vaccine. May not be 100% effective particularly with elderly. 20% hard no’s Saying they won’t take it. Will likely require at least 2 injections to be effective at all. Will likely require boosters several times to remain effective. Children’s testing is running far behind and they won’t be in first groups and pediatric doses for small ones delayed. Faucis date is already slipping too. For those in perpetual lockdown and schoolS shut until the vaccine, it’s not the panacea you think it is...at least for a while....see the Atlantic article among others.
Oh...I scan through many comments and if they haven't articulated a position in a succinct fashion then I miss it. I did see something about herd immunity but that argument is sooo old and debunked I don't even deal with it.I like what you have posted here, but you missed the point that none of that has anything to do with "herd immunity" as Luis seems to be claiming.