The Driver
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Pateadores Girls DA 03/04 - Observations
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Options are great to have....but with the current Ecnl season not ending until May-June time frame, is there a purpose to going to a Da tryout in December unless you are ready to commit to that Da right now? They won't wait 5 months to see if you will take their offer, right? Da tryouts for Ecnl clubs will be held in May b/c of the 5/1 date for current Ecnl players. With Pats and La Galaxy Da's being fully funded, maybe some families will sign early and forego their own Da's? For current Ecnl players with no Da, I think that you may see more of these players at early Da tryouts? Keep us posted babaooey.
No Info yet - troubling too because ECNL is offering at 04.
So...that's confusing .
The bigger issue though is if DA has their own league supposedly .if they have their own league for the Reserve Team I think it would be higher competition to play LAGSD..BEACH..etc than ECNL ?
The Driver
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bababooey
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What will be interesting to me is how the clubs with both ECNL and GDA handle their teams for 2017/2018. Let's take Blues as an example. Say they determine their DA team to be the top team for their 03 age group. Let's also assume that they are one of the eight clubs looking to start the Academy II league. Do the next level of players play in the DA Academy II league or ECNL? If Blues and other dual clubs decide that the DA team is the top team and the DA Academy II team is the "B" team, then wouldn't the ECNL team be the "C" team?
I have no idea how this will play out in the next few months, but it will interesting to watch from the sidelines.
bababooey
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Options are great to have....but with the current Ecnl season not ending until May-June time frame, is there a purpose to going to a Da tryout in December unless you are ready to commit to that Da right now? They won't wait 5 months to see if you will take their offer, right? Da tryouts for Ecnl clubs will be held in May b/c of the 5/1 date for current Ecnl players. With Pats and La Galaxy Da's being fully funded, maybe some families will sign early and forego their own Da's? For current Ecnl players with no Da, I think that you may see more of these players at early Da tryouts? Keep us posted babaooey.
I think you hit on a very important point here. With Pats and LA Galaxy stating that their DA teams will be fully funded, how many parents of ECNL players now would trade in their ECNL spot now to get a fully funded spot on those teams?
Another interesting development could be the "arms race" that other programs respond to. Let's say that one of the truly great 03 players has an offer to join Pats or LAG. Would a Blues, Surf, Slammers, Eagles, etc. offer that player to stay/join them and the club will pay their fees? If this happens, then those parents can really play it to their advantage.
So, what will be more important to parents and players? Being on a top team (all DAs will not be created equally) or get fully funded? And how far are parents willing to drive for free?
I do not think that in SoCal "fully funded" will make much of a difference, there is little travel and I am guessing that the DA fee will be lower than the fee most are paying now.
Yes, seeing how the ECNL-DA clubs respond to this potential second DA league will be very interesting. If they are on board with it, I would think that ECNL would completely lose SoCal. Actually, I am guessing that ECNL would immediately eject these clubs, which would produce the same lose SoCal outcome. If I had to bet, I would bet on the ECNL-DA clubs not participating in this second DA league.
younothat
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IMO DA II league is big long shot for 17-18'. I'm in favor of reserve teams but do we really need another league?
ENCL has told clubs they expect their "A" team players to be in their league. Possible to have more than one "A" team so I could see that working for the blues. but "C" teams in ENCL doubt that.
For the players what matter is the training, coaching, and competition. ENCL, DA, Club, and High School can offer that so there is no one size fits all. For those in certain economic demographic full funding or reduced cost (HS) can be the difference between them.
LadiesMan217
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My understanding is Pats is fully funded (everything paid - clothing, travel, etc.) and LAG is just club fees and clothing. There will be travel to 3 major cities and potentially AZ since one of the teams is in AZ for this group.
LadiesMan217
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DA fees cannot be lower based on all of the aspects of the program unless they are funding part of it
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Soccer123
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Ecnl will only have "A" team players if they forego playing DA and decide to play high school soccer instead. I personally think that most Ecnl teams will be made up of Egsl players for all Da clubs. I have heard DOC's say that the Egsl Team will become the Ecnl team for next season. Which club can truly say they currently have 35+ "A" team players playing on their ecnl team and 2nd team? NONE at the 03 age group level. Da definitely hurts the quality player that Ecnl Teams will get. Maybe the answer is that Ecnl clubs should not have a DA? There shouldn't be as many DA clubs? I personally don't think there is enough uber talent to have a top Da / Ecnl team on a club, unless you are an 01 or 02 on Blues, this would be the exception. My personal opinion only.
Three or four weeks ago I talked to two Blues coaches, one of them is pretty high in the command list but is not #1 nor #2. They were trying to recruit my girl. In the final "do you have any question for us?" moment, I asked him whether Blues was fully committed to DA, and he confirmed that the DA teams would be the tip of the pyramid in Blues. I think that, in SoCal, DA will be the top league and will have the majority of the top players, without question.
I expect the clubs to fund part of it. If you read the DA application (the one the clubs submitted to US Soccer in June-July), you will see that there is an entry for the clubs to write down how much the club fees will be for the program. Obviously, any club that wanted to get its bid in would try to score well in this number. I heard that US Soccer had in mind a particular number as an "acceptable" fee, and that number is lower than what I am paying now.DA fees cannot be lower based on all of the aspects of the program unless they are funding part of it
LadiesMan217
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I agree - it is going to be interesting to see what happens when all this is done. Don't think the answer is ECNL clubs should not have DA or the number should be reduced. Honestly, I can only see ECNL becoming SCDSL flight 1 in the end. Not sure at the end of the day many DA level girls are going to pick HS over DA when that time comes. Would be nice if DA/teams let the girls play HS soccer - it is a nice break for some fun, though somewhat dangerous soccer.
Soccer123
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With that said, will Pats get the top talent Da players in SoCal? Are Da clubs that are non ecnl at a disadvantage with less of an internal pool of top players? Sounds like their reserve teams will be made up of primarily Pats players and some outside players. Great coaching staff and fully funded means a lot. Do we know who the coach is for Pats Da 03?
CaliKlines
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Yeah, that is the crazy part. How can you commit to a team without knowing who the coach is, why style of play he/she teaches, and what kind of experience with women's soccer he/she has? If you are committing to a team because it's free, then it should be due to a financial hardship. Why risk your daughter's development unless you know who is running the DA program and what they're going to teach the players? Even with Legends, I wouldn't commit until you know who is in charge, and what type of experience they have...too much speculation and not enough concrete information.
The Pats will be decent. I think the first year will be a wash anyway honestly.
Glad to hear the majority of parents I speak to are more focused on the development rather than the "super team" mentality. Why would you go to ECNL at a former powerhouse when you could do DA at a new club? I am seeing Girls being cut at a former great club being out on DA at others so why wouldn't you? Makes no sense to me actually because the best coaches are doing DA for the most part (for the most part no slights intended)
Glad to hear the majority of parents I speak to are more focused on the development rather than the "super team" mentality. Why would you go to ECNL at a former powerhouse when you could do DA at a new club? I am seeing Girls being cut at a former great club being out on DA at others so why wouldn't you? Makes no sense to me actually because the best coaches are doing DA for the most part (for the most part no slights intended)
PS not to be a Pats homer because I am not but if you look at the boys side of Pats you will see what game they play. In all honesty I would be careful about a perception of a club. They will be good, possession based almost like a Deanza where you won't see the full effect until 16.
They don't play "big fast athletes game". Cough cough...
Again new landscape guys. Who is the best now I would venture to say may have some competition in the next few years. DA changed the game and released the ECNL chokehold. Now we will actually see who develops vs who by default gets the most talented girls due to an ECNL status.
Soccer123
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Also, thinking about the off years. Is it crazy to go to a non ecnl da club and possibly play scdsl in the off years? If there is no new league formed by the off year, then a Da with ecnl affiliation is the way to go from the start? Does this play into the decision making for next season? Some ecnl clubs have already given out offers for da next season to their internal ecnl players, getting ahead of the May scramble.