What's your best guess as to when trainings will resume?

dad4 said:
Even with all caps, you haven’t explained how to isolate the vulnerable. Most nursing homes are already on a nearly complete lockdown. But we still have 43,000 or so covid deaths in nursing homes.

If the existing nursing home lockdown doesn’t work, why would yours be any different?
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Nursing homes are now (mostly) in a lockdown. They all weren't. Florida's approach (ordering hospitals to keep COVID positive patients rather than send them back) was prescient. Part of the problem early on (and why the Tristate/New England numbers mortality numbers are skewed higher) is that those governors ordered nursing homes to take patients who were still COVID positive back. It was disastrous. The nursing home lockdown could be smarter (rapid COVID tests for workers, for example).

I'm pretty middle of the road politically but despite all the praise he got, Gov Cuomo in particular handled the situation disastrously and his policies led to many unnecessary deaths.
 
Grace T. said:
Nursing homes are now (mostly) in a lockdown. They all weren't. Florida's approach (ordering hospitals to keep COVID positive patients rather than send them back) was prescient. Part of the problem early on (and why the Tristate/New England numbers mortality numbers are skewed higher) is that those governors ordered nursing homes to take patients who were still COVID positive back. It was disastrous. The nursing home lockdown could be smarter (rapid COVID tests for workers, for example).

I'm pretty middle of the road politically but despite all the praise he got, Gov Cuomo in particular handled the situation disastrously and his policies led to many unnecessary deaths.
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Is there evidence that a proper lockdown can protect nursing homes?

Or does it still leak in through the staff?
 
I’m hearing that teams practicing on K-12 fields are in trouble as they are being told the earliest they will be allowed in the fields is Aug 1st. Teams at park and college fields could begin soon with very strict guidelines
 
Copa9 said:
So what you are saying is let them get sick and expose their families?? They absolutely would be contagious to their families. The deaths we have to date have been with shelter at home and businesses closed and no in school instruction. I wonder how many kids will become infected and will die after all that is lifted and of course their family members.
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The shelter at home people are somehow the majority of people that are getting sick and hospitalized. That alone should tell you that it's a failed policy.
 
JPS said:
That's why you should keep your kid at home hiding under his bed. Don't worry about those that decide to go out.
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Personal choice is not an effective model for infectious disease control.

Every single country that has contained covid-19 has done so by worrying about those who decide to go out. What makes you think it will work out any differently here?
 
dad4 said:
Personal choice is not an effective model for infectious disease control.

Every single country that has contained covid-19 has done so by worrying about those who decide to go out. What makes you think it will work out any differently here?
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so, what is it that you are recommending? maintain a national lockdown until the virus burns itself out?
 
dad4 said:
Personal choice is not an effective model for infectious disease control.

Every single country that has contained covid-19 has done so by worrying about those who decide to go out. What makes you think it will work out any differently here?
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Very few countries have contained Covid. They are mostly islands or effectively islands (New Zealand, Iceland, Taiwan, Israel, South Korea, Hawaii) or if you believe them China. South Korea's containment is now in doubt, having to reimpose lockdowns and school shutdowns, and this despite a very hard, very draconian test and trace regime. Most other countries just burn through their curve.
 
dad4 said:
Personal choice is not an effective model for infectious disease control.

Every single country that has contained covid-19 has done so by worrying about those who decide to go out. What makes you think it will work out any differently here?
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That's why you can't use dictatorship to fight the nature. All dictators use the same argument that their rules are for the society's own good. Going down a dangerous path here. Let the nature take its course. This is not the first or last virus. All you can do is inform people. You can't force them. You have the right to hide under your bed.
 
dad4 said:
Even with all caps, you haven’t explained how to isolate the vulnerable. Most nursing homes are already on a nearly complete lockdown. But we still have 43,000 or so covid deaths in nursing homes.

If the existing nursing home lockdown doesn’t work, why would yours be any different?
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Wow.. I mean really wow. How do you isolate the vulnerable? Oh gee I don't know perhaps by having THEM stay home and isolate? Treat assisted living places like they are a sterile ward in a hospital? Don't let anyone come near them that could possibly be a danger? Don't let germ filled family and friends come near them?
 
JumboJack said:
Wow.. I mean really wow. How do you isolate the vulnerable? Oh gee I don't know perhaps by having THEM stay home and isolate? Treat assisted living places like they are a sterile ward in a hospital? Don't let anyone come near them that could possibly be a danger? Don't let germ filled family and friends come near them?
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Nursing homes are doing all of that already. The May nursing home deaths are what you get despite those measures. Some fraction of doctors, nurses, and delivery people are asymptomatic carriers and bring it in.

Covid for nursing homes is something like 14%. They have had over 40,000 patients die from it. Do you think they are doing nothing?
 
Copa9 said:
The older higher level teams know the amount of practice they need to get into game ready condition. July and August in Arizona, I don't think so. Maybe the u littles could play because the games are shorter, there is a lot of kick ball soccer, less skills and less intense than the olders.
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The sooner you start, the sooner you will get into game shape. Looking at your posts.. I'm thinking you may feel marginally comfortable around October. I think it may be best if you and yours stay locked inside until you are satisfied things are safe. If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem right? I would make sure to talk to your club DOC about your concerns and how you would rather not be on the leading edge coming out of lockdown.

meanwhile in AZ...
 
cks1450 said:
Kids as carriers is a concern, but you could make the case that we are better off letting them play, get exposed, get over the illness and then not be contagious to all those people in their lives that might be at risk for Covid19.
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Actually what a lot of scientists from different countries are saying is that kids don't seem to spread the virus much and they are not sure why.

So not only is there about zero risk for kids, they also don't seem to be spreaders.
 
jimlewis said:
so, what is it that you are recommending? maintain a national lockdown until the virus burns itself out?
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No. I think we should open up the safer half of the economy, and implement social distance / sanitation measures within workplaces.

That is why I am in favor of league games and opposed to tournaments. League games are low risk and tournaments are high risk.

I also think most sanitation measures should be mandatory. It should not be my choice whether to wear a mask. If the CDC says it helps, then it should be required, and enforced. The lower we can keep transmission, the more of the economy we can open up.
 
dad4 said:
Nursing homes are doing all of that already. The May nursing home deaths are what you get despite those measures. Some fraction of doctors, nurses, and delivery people are asymptomatic carriers and bring it in.

Covid for nursing homes is something like 14%. They have had over 40,000 patients die from it. Do you think they are doing nothing?
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If they are already doing that they are not doing a very good job (obviously). Pre covid how did hospitals keep their staff from spreading disease to their patients? To some patients any disease can be deadly.

The reason for the nursing home situation is because nursing homes were not allowed to refuse admittance to patients that were covid positive. Never mind asymptomatic employees, their best pal sitting next to them in the communal dinning room was positive.
 
galaxydad said:
I’m hearing that teams practicing on K-12 fields are in trouble as they are being told the earliest they will be allowed in the fields is Aug 1st. Teams at park and college fields could begin soon with very strict guidelines
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Colleges not opening either to outside entities, parks open but would they issue permits anytime soon for group sports when they don't have the staff to monitor guidelines or have the ok from the state & counties?

Cal South haven't seen or heard anymore update from them in weeks. Besides promoting some possible future events are they going to be able to provide insurance?
 
JumboJack said:
Wow.. I mean really wow. How do you isolate the vulnerable? Oh gee I don't know perhaps by having THEM stay home and isolate? Treat assisted living places like they are a sterile ward in a hospital? Don't let anyone come near them that could possibly be a danger? Don't let germ filled family and friends come near them?
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You would think for the few trillion you save for not shutting down the economy you could establish a near bullet proof way to protect the vulnerable. The only obstacles would be Cuomo and Murphy.
 
dad4 said:
No. I think we should open up the safer half of the economy, and implement social distance / sanitation measures within workplaces.

That is why I am in favor of league games and opposed to tournaments. League games are low risk and tournaments are high risk.

I also think most sanitation measures should be mandatory. It should not be my choice whether to wear a mask. If the CDC says it helps, then it should be required, and enforced. The lower we can keep transmission, the more of the economy we can open up.
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If that is how you feel, then don't go! Stop posting on here that you are not in favor of something and then show up because the club decides to attend. If you are opposed to tournaments, then stay home. Simple. No one will hate you for it but it seems very clear that if your DDs team is going you will go for fear of missing out, based on your previous comments. So please get off your high horse and join the rest of us trying to get soccer back for the kids.
 
....meanwhile many teams have been training at local parks, no social distancing, no limited numbers, nobody wearing masks. Just got an e-mail that Toca in Chino Hills is OPEN.
 
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