Say bye-bye-bye to Girls and Boys DA

You make strong points, and have convinced me that ECNL should definitely risk people dying because propping up NV and AZ is like totes worth it.

Yep...That’s exactly what I said. You nailed it. :rolleyes:
 
You make strong points, and have convinced me that ECNL should definitely risk people dying because propping up NV and AZ is like totes worth it.
Risk dying?

Have you actually looked at CDC stats? Go pull it up. Look at deaths by age groups. This is the most recent report on CDC. Yes they are behind.

But pay close attention to deaths by age group.
 

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Here are the latest stats from Cal regarding deaths.

Again look at by age group. Note zero deaths in Cal in the 17 and under age group. Under 50? 7% of deaths.

If you are old...that is the demographic that is at high risk

 
Nothing to do with EOTL being the huge power behind the scenes. Or him being a nice guy. I’ll insult him on that at some other time.

But he is right that, when games come back, it is going to be smaller scale at the start. The overnight hotel stay in Phoenix is hard to justify. The CO to SF plane trip is extremely hard to imagine. Forget Surf Cup or Dallas for a while.

But Del Mar playing Surf at a high school is within reason. So that will happen first. And the people planning these things will have to operate within those constraints.

My family is a willing participant and consumer like most here. My kid Is part of a team and she will play when and where her team does. The expectation that things will be the same as before is not realistic and was never said. The truth (I think except for @EOTL) is that none of us know what is going to happen and are along for the ride waiting to see what develops. My only point was that the League/Gaming Circuit sets the schedule, the clubs/teams commit to the schedule, and if your kid wants to participate you follow, pay, and go play wherever the games are.
 
Our club forwarded an email this week from ECNL. It that states they are still working on a showcase/ Championship in late June in North Carolina. Travel may be sooner than we think.
 
Our club forwarded an email this week from ECNL. It that states they are still working on a showcase/ Championship in late June in North Carolina. Travel may be sooner than we think.
I’m guessing that is only for high school aged players so they don’t lose out on an opportunity to be scouted by colleges. I’m just curious how many colleges are willing to travel. My guess is they live stream the showcase and they watch virtually
 
I have a question. If it’s not ok for him to question how other people spend their money, why is it ok for @Desert Hound and @vegasguy to tell me how I need to spend mine?


I never told you how to spend your money. The league is the league. You make the choice on where to spend your soccer dollars. As a matter of fact if you chose the league and read well enough you would that I provide cost saving opportunities that we have used since more that 50% of our annual schedule is travel based. Where you choose to play and with what club is a chose solely yours. You should understand that there is travel in ECNL.

Second saying that the good players should move to where the good soccer is played is an awful argument. Get off your high horse. Good soccer players come from everywhere and that argument sounds.very DA and GDA.
 
By the way the drive from Pasadena takes about the same time as Pasadena to Del Mar.

Why is Socal against team travel?
 
Teams on the coast typically have at least 10 strong opponents within a 2 hour drive. Even more when we remember that a very strong team can play up.

Our idea of local competition is different from yours. It doesn't sound so bad.
 
I’m guessing that is only for high school aged players so they don’t lose out on an opportunity to be scouted by colleges. I’m just curious how many colleges are willing to travel. My guess is they live stream the showcase and they watch virtually
Based on current travel policies for most colleges and universities, I wouldn’t think any coaches will be traveling in June and probably not even this summer.
 
By the way the drive from Pasadena takes about the same time as Pasadena to Del Mar.

Why is Socal against team travel?
Vegas to Pasadena is a couple hours longer, especially round trip. that's a couple hours saved that we don't have to travel, especially if we add local teams.
 
I have a question. If it’s not ok for him to question how other people spend their money, why is it ok for @Desert Hound and @vegasguy to tell me how I need to spend mine?
If you are a parent of a kid on an ECNL team, you chose to spend your money on trips to Vegas, Arizona, or wherever the league decides your kid's team should travel for league play. Nobody is questioning how you spend your money, and if you signed your kid up for ECNL, you seem to be questioning yourself for the decision you made to sign up for a league that has your kid's team traveling to locations that you don't want to pay for.

If you are not a parent of a kid on an ECNL team, you just like @dad4, are howling at the moon over things that don't affect you or your kid.
 
If you are a parent of a kid on an ECNL team, you chose to spend your money on trips to Vegas, Arizona, or wherever the league decides your kid's team should travel for league play. Nobody is telling you how to spend your money, and if you signed your kid up for ECNL, you seem to be questioning yourself for the decision you made to sign up for a league that has your kid's team traveling to locations that you don't want to pay for.

If you are not a parent of a kid on an ECNL team, you just like @dad4, are howling at the moon over things that don't affect you or your kid.
I think Parents paid to be in a competitive league, not necessarily to play Vegas and Arizona. We're just saying we can be just as competitive without Vegas and Arizona. If enough parents complain and ask, I'm sure we can make that happen. Especially since with more socal teams being added, it seems like that will be the natural progression we are moving towards. I'm looking forward to it.
 
If you are a parent of a kid on an ECNL team, you chose to spend your money on trips to Vegas, Arizona, or wherever the league decides your kid's team should travel for league play. Nobody is questioning how you spend your money, and if you signed your kid up for ECNL, you seem to be questioning yourself for the decision you made to sign up for a league that has your kid's team traveling to locations that you don't want to pay for.

If you are not a parent of a kid on an ECNL team, you just like @dad4, are howling at the moon over things that don't affect you or your kid.
dude, some kids are in ecnl clubs for the level of competition. they are only there because that’s where the other top 20 kids in the state play.

They didn’t pick travel. Travel got forced on them if they didn’t want a brace every weekend.
 
dude, some kids are in ecnl clubs for the level of competition. they are only there because that’s where the other top 20 kids in the state play.

They didn’t pick travel. Travel got forced on them if they didn’t want a brace every weekend.
Those kids and their parents picked the league that travels. They have an option to choose a league that doesn't travel, but they didn't. That's their choice. They signed up willingly, knowing the travel expectations, and aren't "forced" into doing anything they aren't willing to do.

The travel is not "every weekend." Since you're in NorCal, check the NorCal ECNL league schedule. NorCal ECNL teams have a grand total of ONE weekend a year where they travel out of state for league play. Again, how does this affect you, since your kid plays NorCal NPL?
 
If you are a parent of a kid on an ECNL team, you chose to spend your money on trips to Vegas, Arizona, or wherever the league decides your kid's team should travel for league play. Nobody is questioning how you spend your money, and if you signed your kid up for ECNL, you seem to be questioning yourself for the decision you made to sign up for a league that has your kid's team traveling to locations that you don't want to pay for.

If you are not a parent of a kid on an ECNL team, you just like @dad4, are howling at the moon over things that don't affect you or your kid.

This is the same kind of stuff that the GDA mafia kept saying when I would point our why it was going to fail. You have a very limited world view if you think the options are to either accept what you’re being told or just go somewhere else.

Look, I’m just telling you what his going to happen and why and explaining to parents who might be on the fence about ECNL about the stupid commitments and expenses. Enough people are going to speak up so that eventually these dumb trips to LV for league games are going to stop. Either your ECNL club will go away, or ECNL will add more local clubs and/or re-align. It’s going to happen.
 
Those kids and their parents picked the league that travels. They have an option to choose a league that doesn't travel, but they didn't. That's their choice. They signed up willingly, knowing the travel expectations, and aren't "forced" into doing anything they aren't willing to do.

The travel is not "every weekend." Since you're in NorCal, check the NorCal ECNL league schedule. NorCal ECNL teams have a grand total of ONE weekend a year where they travel out of state for league play. Again, how does this affect you, since your kid plays NorCal NPL?
my point was not that the travel is every weekend. it was that easy games are every weekend, if you are in too weak a league.

What non-travel league in NorCal lets you play against MVLA, Thorns, Mustang, and San Juan? (the top of their A teams. Not the bench.)

Wanting to play those teams does not mean I want to fly to Colorado. (look at the new map.)
 
What does the ECNL Southwest league teams season schedule look like?
•ECNL league games
•ECNL showcase games
•ECNL Playoffs
•Tournaments (Surf, Vegas, Silver Lakes, etc)

Anything else? Is there a league like NPL that they could also be in?


The NPL option in NorCal has been really nice. The 2003 NPL Champions League has the following teams:
MVLA ‘04 ECNL, Mustang ‘04 ECNL, Rage ECNL ‘03, Davis ECNL ‘03, Marin ECNL ‘03 + 11 NPL teams (Alliance, Ajax, West Coast, SF Elite, Parajo Valley, etc).
So these teams get an extra 15 games in where they can distribute playing time, explore position or tactical changes, keep sharp, etc. The last 2 games in the fall and spring are held as a “college showcase” in Davis, so there is a college exposure component imbedded as well.
 
What non-travel league in NorCal lets you play against MVLA, Thorns, Mustang, and San Juan? (the top of their A teams. Not the bench.)

NPL Champions League? And if your daughter's team is that good/dominant and facing no competition, then they should be playing up like some of those clubs' A teams are.

I've watched Champions League games for many years. Yes, if those ECNL teams are winning, they rotate in their bench, try players in different positions, give their stars a rest...but they don't just "play their bench".
 
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