D1 college soccer under threat

Ellejustus said:
Can you ask her what her thoughts are on Sophie Smith skipping college to go pro? Also, what's her take on someone like MP taking the money over college experience? Was your dd good enough then and now to have the choice on pro or college today? BTW, my dd chooses college experience and sports and life football game 100%. However, it would be cool if money was there for all the players to go pro like Nix kid did going to the "G" league. Choice is good :)
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I don't know how you can justify walking away from a Stanford diploma unless there's some incredible circumstance. I hope it works out for her but I would be a mortified parent. I know a former Stanford player that was drafted, mid to low range, that wore the jersey long enough to take a photo and said, "fuck it... I'll make 4 times as much using my education."
 
The Outlaw said:
I don't know how you can justify walking away from a Stanford diploma unless there's some incredible circumstance. I hope it works out for her but I would be a mortified parent.
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It's her life and she chose. That girl can play and she seems really happy in her interviews. I wish her all the best with doing what she wants. My dd wants college life.
 
Ellejustus said:
It's her life and she chose. That girl can play and she seems really happy in her interviews. I wish her all the best with doing what she wants. My dd wants college life.
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There's not a parent on the planet that would encourage their kid to walk from a degree and play pro for $30k a year. YOU might... but you couldn't pass a urine test.
 
MacDre said:
I understand. But the issue is what’s the best route...not just what’s the normal ordinary route but what’s the best route?
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What is the value of your daughter's degree (specifically from her school there) if soccer doesn't pan out and she comes back home to work? How would it compare to a typical diploma from a UC or private?
 
The Outlaw said:
I don't know how you can justify walking away from a Stanford diploma unless there's some incredible circumstance. I hope it works out for her but I would be a mortified parent. I know a former Stanford player that was drafted, mid to low range, that wore the jersey long enough to take a photo and said, "fuck it... I'll make 4 times as much using my education."
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I've heard many of those stories from my DD. They all talk. It sounds fun to get "drafted" into a pro league. But come on... In her view, college D1 soccer is more popular right now than the NWSL.
 
vegasguy said:
I did not say that every soccer player thinks they should be able to play college soccer but many aspire to.. aspiration is different than entitlement. If that was the case, many former BearCats would be picketing their university as they are entitled to play soccer there. It is not a birthright to play soccer anywhere. It is also a provided opportunity by the NCAA and NAIA. Soccer is for everyone who chooses it. I have a player who was noticed at Surf. She was noticed by a school she may not otherwise be able to afford because of soccer. If she chooses to keep her grades up, get good test scores and pursue the opportunity. If it wasn't for college soccer that opportunity at school may not be there. ThisAA
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warrior49 said:
Funny you ask as we were just talking about that. Her opinion is SS should have stayed at Stanford, and that for sure MP should have played at UCLA, especially given she was left off the US roster recently. She has friends that played NWSL who have told her its not the big glory that is sounds like. While she may choose to enter the draft after her senior year, she's indicated that she has bigger aspirations than playing for half-empty stadiums making $46k a year (looking at medical school down the road). She wants her degree first and will move on from there.
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maybe this is a chicken or egg argument. Maybe the reason women can only make 50k is because the league is full of players that were developed in an environment where everyone wants to go to college for the experience and not pro. Maybe if we had a more cutthroat development process the NWSL would be more entertaining and profitable.
 
The Outlaw said:
What is the value of your daughter's degree (specifically from her school there) if soccer doesn't pan out and she comes back home to work? How would it compare to a typical diploma from a UC or private?
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My kid will go to Cal. She could also attend UCSD. But, the new CEO of USSF went to one (most would say only) of the Mexican schools and he’s doing fine. A degree from Tec is very portable.
 
warrior49 said:
I've heard many of those stories from my DD. They all talk. It sounds fun to get "drafted" into a pro league. But come on... In her view, college D1 soccer is more popular right now than the NWSL.
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Well, she's a terrific player... could be a number of reasons why, but she would have been drafted any year. Maybe if you're at Cal State ______ but that Stanford degree is special and she's clearly academic enough to get in. I agree with your statement. Shit... is there ANY women's soccer more prolific than Stanford right now?
 
MacDre said:
maybe this is a chicken or egg argument. Maybe the reason women can only make 50k is because the league is full of players that were developed in an environment where everyone wants to go to college for the experience and not pro. Maybe if we had a more cutthroat development process the NWSL would be more entertaining and profitable.
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that is laughable. For the WNBA which is funded by the NBA would you say the same or is it what the market can afford.
again once you find questions you do not want to answer you avoid. You should run for office. Nevada Governor is in trouble.
 
warrior49 said:
Funny you ask as we were just talking about that. Her opinion is SS should have stayed at Stanford, and that for sure MP should have played at UCLA, especially given she was left off the US roster recently. She has friends that played NWSL who have told her its not the big glory that is sounds like. While she may choose to enter the draft after her senior year, she's indicated that she has bigger aspirations than playing for half-empty stadiums making $46k a year (looking at medical school down the road). She wants her degree first and will move on from there.
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Pugh looks like she woke up one morning, in a woman's body, and no longer blows by people. When she first came up she was just destroying defenders.
 
The Outlaw said:
There's not a parent on the planet that would encourage their kid to walk from a degree and play pro for $30k a year. YOU might... but you couldn't pass a urine test.
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Valid point. However, I think Smith should’ve had the opportunity to go pro at 15. She would’ve still had Stanford as an option if things weren’t working out around 20.
 
warrior49 said:
I've heard many of those stories from my DD. They all talk. It sounds fun to get "drafted" into a pro league. But come on... In her view, college D1 soccer is more popular right now than the NWSL.
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Has she considered foreign leagues?
 
Woobie06 said:
Couple questions for you, I was hoping you could elaborate on.

1. How is college getting in the way of 1-2 out of 100 players?
2. Who is “you guys”?
3. Why are there no more lanes?
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A1. We are Sold/Programmed to go to college when were babies. Let the top 2% ((if they want to)) go pro. Let the other top 2% got to college and go pro after or go start a nursing career. I don;t see choices but it's just the old system we were all living in. Them days are over sir :)

A2. People who have trained their kids that they have to go to college and they use soccer as way to get into school. It's cool, I'm not judging. It's the system we all played in. My mom went to SC as did her first husband.

A3. Before the year of the Corona, the club system was 100% for college, although my dd and I were tricked with YNT fairy scouts and pros in 2016-2017. I see 100% it was one big lie but we didn't know that at the time. I have some pain from the school system i was taught in too so I'm personally not a fan to a "one shoe size fits all the feet" and we all have to live like the Smiths and Jones. It's not a knock on you, it just seems like parents have their kids lives planned for them and college and soccer is 100% in the plans. Again, warrior's kid is all fired up and I like hearing that. SS seems super happy too. MP, I'm not so sure and that is ok too. However, maybe she is laughing at the bank and is super happy? I want choices for all the kids.
 
warrior49 said:
I've heard many of those stories from my DD. They all talk. It sounds fun to get "drafted" into a pro league. But come on... In her view, college D1 soccer is more popular right now than the NWSL.
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Plus, when Maps shares the pro life, my dd is 100% a no and so am I. I can see myself forking out money for her life style just so she can say she's a pro soccer player. She will need to make well over 6 figures to be happy and that is not going to happen. I wish we could find a way to get them paid.
 
MacDre said:
I care because I think there is some serious de facto segregation going on within US soccer. I see a lot of people being excluded from mainstream US soccer for fabricated BS reasons. I think a system that excludes the poor from the outset and gives admissions preferences to a bunch of upper middle class kids that don’t want to go pro and only want the “experience” is unethical.
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I agree completely that US soccer excludes many people, but I think the biggest source of that exclusion is the youth pay to play model and closed leagues like ECNL. Unfortunately it is what we have now. If we focused on and tweaked the existing but older model of Local Leagues/National Cup/Regional Championships/National League/National Championships to be more inclusive and allow any team that qualifies to move up the ladder we would see the decrease in the power of the mega-clubs Wouldn't it be great if a team from a league like Tiffany's won it all and got some real exposure for their players to get noticed by college coaches?

College athletic scholarships help some who cannot afford to attend college get a degree. It is not a perfect system but college coaches will offer scholarships to anyone that they think will help them win. They just need more exposure to a broader spectrum of the population.

I am not trying to shoot any messengers, but I am saying that college soccer has many positives and is worth including in the US Soccer's path forward. The NCAA needs to pull their heads out of the sand and look to the future however.
 
outside! said:
I agree completely that US soccer excludes many people, but I think the biggest source of that exclusion is the youth pay to play model and closed leagues like ECNL. Unfortunately it is what we have now. If we focused on and tweaked the existing but older model of Local Leagues/National Cup/Regional Championships/National League/National Championships to be more inclusive and allow any team that qualifies to move up the ladder we would see the decrease in the power of the mega-clubs Wouldn't it be great if a team from a league like Tiffany's won it all and got some real exposure for their players to get noticed by college coaches?

College athletic scholarships help some who cannot afford to attend college get a degree. It is not a perfect system but college coaches will offer scholarships to anyone that they think will help them win. They just need more exposure to a broader spectrum of the population.

I am not trying to shoot any messengers, but I am saying that college soccer has many positives and is worth including in the US Soccer's path forward. The NCAA needs to pull their heads out of the sand and look to the future however.
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I love College sports!!!!
 
outside! said:
I agree completely that US soccer excludes many people, but I think the biggest source of that exclusion is the youth pay to play model and closed leagues like ECNL. Unfortunately it is what we have now. If we focused on and tweaked the existing but older model of Local Leagues/National Cup/Regional Championships/National League/National Championships to be more inclusive and allow any team that qualifies to move up the ladder we would see the decrease in the power of the mega-clubs Wouldn't it be great if a team from a league like Tiffany's won it all and got some real exposure for their players to get noticed by college coaches?

College athletic scholarships help some who cannot afford to attend college get a degree. It is not a perfect system but college coaches will offer scholarships to anyone that they think will help them win. They just need more exposure to a broader spectrum of the population.

I am not trying to shoot any messengers, but I am saying that college soccer has many positives and is worth including in the US Soccer's path forward. The NCAA needs to pull their heads out of the sand and look to the future however.
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I 100% agree but I’m bored and like seeing Vegasguy get all into his feelings.
 
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