Say bye-bye-bye to Girls and Boys DA

As kids get older, boys teams don’t want to play girls. Boys parents don’t want girls practicing with them. We have a local girl on a boys DA academy team. The team entered a Futsal tournament and at the door she was told she couldn’t play. No mixed gender teams in the tournament allowed. Every time my dd practices with the boys I openly hear the comments about how the boys won’t play hard against her. It’s not easy for girls to hop in with boys.
I understand but I don’t think the boys teams have to be older or the best. Every few months a guy being a complete prick will make a comment about how the WNT lost to 14 year old boys. If 14 yr old boys can beat the WNT I almost certain any girls team could regularly find boys 13 and under to play them if they are good. Not only that, oftentimes the mom’s of the boys are cheering loudest for the girls when the play well. I see it all of the time in Mexico. One of my favorite moments was when a “machista” dad made his crying son congratulate my daughter after a game.
 
As kids get older, boys teams don’t want to play girls. Boys parents don’t want girls practicing with them. We have a local girl on a boys DA academy team. The team entered a Futsal tournament and at the door she was told she couldn’t play. No mixed gender teams in the tournament allowed. Every time my dd practices with the boys I openly hear the comments about how the boys won’t play hard against her. It’s not easy for girls to hop in with boys.
So true. Each girl is different and I watched first hand how playing with boys helped two super girl goats. My dd would never play with the boys but maybe would after HS is over. She takes them on all the time and has schooled a few JV players. She's a handful and the boys are still trying to figure her out.
 
Come on man, Blues taking over sum little affiliate teams is abt $ only. Blues had no idea this was coming and dont need much more talent than what the combined ECNL - GDA teams are going to provide. 2 teams in to 1 already
Reading all these comments about the Blues is informative. So, I predict in the new future Blues will offer a professional pipeline to Xolo’s for their top players. I think when I saw all those Blues families at Estadio Caliente that was the beginning of something much bigger!
 
I understand but I don’t think the boys teams have to be older or the best. Every few months a guy being a complete prick will make a comment about how the WNT lost to 14 year old boys. If 14 yr old boys can beat the WNT I almost certain any girls team could regularly find boys 13 and under to play them if they are good. Not only that, oftentimes the mom’s of the boys are cheering loudest for the girls when the play well. I see it all of the time in Mexico. One of my favorite moments was when a “machista” dad made his crying son congratulate my daughter after a game.
Yes, girls play younger boys in scrimmage all the time. Usually within the club. Our club does this regularly. An older girls team cannot get regular league competition with boys.
 
Yes, girls play younger boys in scrimmage all the time. Usually within the club. Our club does this regularly. An older girls team cannot get regular league competition with boys.
Exactly. I think this is more important for development than the league and the reason the WNT does it for practice. They girls can play in the weakest leagues in the world as long as they consistently scrimmage boys.
 
It snowed here over night (shoot me) so i decided to look into this a bit deeper. Only 17 of the top 75 clubs on the Soccer Wire top 100 list are former DA teams who have not yet gotten into ECNL. Most of them have a pretty influential ECNL neighbor.

Former DA Club ECNL competitor

Top Hat Concord Fire
FC Dallas Solar/Sting/DKSC
Legends Arsenal
Beach Slammers/Blues/Strikers
Earth Quakes MVLA
FC Virginia Louden
NEFC FC Stars of MA
Sporting BV KC Athletics
Cincinnati DA Ohio Elite
Lonestar Sting Austin
LA Galaxy Slammers/Blues/Strikers
SS Select Scorpions SC
Nationals Michigan Hawks
Albion SD Surf
Galaxy SD SD Surf
Reign Crossfire Premiere
Houston Dash Albion Hurricanes

The left column looks like the invite list to a very good tournament. I'd be happy for my dd team to play any of them.

Hope those 17 clubs are talking to each other. If ECNL are going to be pricks about it, the top DA clubs need to work together to set up events.
 
Yep crazy. He is 16 now. A bit taller than me and out 2inches more on his reach. He had a rough patch early this year but finished really strong before all this.

He has had some great conversations and one that is in his top 3 for sure. He has a good relationship with one of the coaches and a great program in what he wants to study with intern opportunities to major companies. He has had other great conversations with schools in the midwest and back east last week. I wish we knew more but this has put a hold on act and sat. So we wait a bit. He handles it well. We were supposed to be in MI at a camp and South Carolina showcase this week which a few schools were going to come watch. We will see what happens this summer.
I see your daughters picture everywhere. Makes me smile every time. She kills it playing up too from some of the things in have seen.

Sounds like he will have some good options. I saw him play early in the season and was hoping to catch another game this year. If there is a high school season this year I will see a game since our kids will be at the same school. My kid was having a good season. I hate that it ended early but it's good that she gets some time off. She usually only got 2 weeks off a year in the last 3 years. She hates it, but I know she needs it.
 
The left column looks like the invite list to a very good tournament. I'd be happy for my dd team to play any of them.

Hope those 17 clubs are talking to each other. If ECNL are going to be pricks about it, the top DA clubs need to work together to set up events.
They already did that three years ago and it failed. What a mess of division in soccer in America.
 
Here is the thing.. you went with a coach not a patch.. the patch was a bonus... unfortunately it was start and stop situation but the coach remains and that is all that matters for your DD. She will succeed no matter what league.

The main thing is getting good competitive games. If some of the DA teams that didn't get into ECNL can play in the same league then it will be ok. If not we will be chasing tournaments again to find good games.
 
The left column looks like the invite list to a very good tournament. I'd be happy for my dd team to play any of them.

Hope those 17 clubs are talking to each other. If ECNL are going to be pricks about it, the top DA clubs need to work together to set up events.
legends will play beach 12 times a year?
 
legends will play beach 12 times a year?
no. but Legends and Beach should play Quakes, Dallas, Lonestar, Galaxy, Albion, and Houston once or twice.

Stay with your coach and help your TM organize something. I am sure the other TM would return the call.
 
no. but Legends and Beach should play Quakes, Dallas, Lonestar, Galaxy, Albion, and Houston once or twice.

Stay with your coach and help your TM organize something. I am sure the other TM would return the call.


I think in CA you have a unique situation where there are a lot of quality clubs sitting outside of ECNL. However, IMO that just isn’t the case nationwide where you would have the numbers to pull together any type of quality national league on the girls side to rival ECNL.
 
Is ECNL going to be the way to go for DA teams? Or will something else emerge? I think these DA teams are being approached by other entities.
Does the SCDSL and Coast make a run at these teams in SoCal? If I recall correctly the SCDSL is heavily influenced by Real So Cal, and Real is in ECNL.
 
Well, I matter what, your still a bit disillusioned. You insinuated that I said Kids we’re leaving. I just said its a feeding frenzy. You can figure out who the predators are who sniff wounded bait. You keep trying to insult me that I chose US Soccer and I insult ECNL. The “monopoly” was the DOC’s in SoCal (you repeatedly say are corrupt) keeping Clubs out bc of the fertile recruiting grounds. Not ECNL as and organization. I have always chosen the Coach over the League or level of play and it’s worked out pretty well for both my DD’s.

Stop trying to spin the facts.

We can both agree that a singular league with Promotion/Relegation is good for Soccer.

You keep throwing some threat of head to head competition at me like i should be concerned. Is it intentional or am I misreading you?

A singular league with promotion/relegation would be the worst thing possible for youth soccer. Development depends on high quality clubs with high quality coaches, providing consistent, high quality training for many years. That, in turn, requires that clubs and coaches have financial incentive to do what they are doing. If a real club risks losing $80,000 in fees per team every year when players scatter to yahoo clubs because the team got relegated, the good coaches go away to find real jobs. The possibility that their only source of income might instantly vaporize if a 12 year old girl gets hurt is no way to make a living, and even dumbest soccer people understand that. So you end up with only daddy coaches. All promotion/relegation does at the highest level is destabilize youth soccer and drive the best coaches to find other occupations.

Even aside from the inevitable drop in quality of training as daddy coaches take over, promotion/relegation gets in the way of development in other critical ways. Suddenly every U12 game becomes critical to win at the expense of long term development. Kids are forced to play hurt when an entire team’s worth of fees are on the line. No coach is going to emphasize possession soccer at young ages, because young kids make a lot of mistakes playing possession, and that will inevitably cause them to lose games and get relegated.

And why would we be doing this? Because some cheap ass daddies whose self-esteem depends on how many soccer games their 12 year old daughter wins want it. Because those idiot daddies can’t see past tomorrow and fail to grasp that the real purpose of elite girls soccer is not to win a U12 game, but is really college opportunity. They don’t want to pay for or receive high quality training and development because all they care about is that their daughter wins a soccer game today.

That said, it is possible but doubtful that ECNL may create a very limited 2 tier system, but only to the extent it won’t cause kids to switch clubs if a team moves to the lower tier. It would do this through geographical restrictions so that new clubs are not on top of existing ones geographically.
 
Valid points. I guess my definition of late bloomer would be a lot more narrow than yours. I think any athlete that could make an “old school” competitive freshman, jv, or varsity HS team is a solid athlete. A late bloomer would be a kid that couldn’t make the freshman team freshman year but was starting varsity their senior year. I think your definition is too broad because it could include anyone that shows improvement as a late bloomer.

Also genes are only part of the equation. You also need desire and the right environment. I think it’s rare to have all three.


So by your definition there is never a late bloomer and a coach should always go for size and speed. I am not being critical I am just questioning. As I said if that was the case at 10 my son would have been defined as an offensive lineman i
Sounds like he will have some good options. I saw him play early in the season and was hoping to catch another game this year. If there is a high school season this year I will see a game since our kids will be at the same school. My kid was having a good season. I hate that it ended early but it's good that she gets some time off. She usually only got 2 weeks off a year in the last 3 years. She hates it, but I know she needs it.

J is going to Gorman. That is so awesome. She will love it. I will to watch her shine. You just made my day. We have a new mens coach this year Tommy took a sports directors job at another school.
 
The main thing is getting good competitive games. If some of the DA teams that didn't get into ECNL can play in the same league then it will be ok. If not we will be chasing tournaments again to find good games.

I heard the GDA league is coming together in a sort of Regional League. I haven't heard if there will be showcases but the competition will be there for you all. When we get back this sooner than later.
 
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