Say bye-bye-bye to Girls and Boys DA

oh canada said:
Except that US Soccer is not likely self-insured. Depending on the policy, insurance could cover much of any settlement. Cone has said she wants to settle and move on. The lawsuit is about unequal pay for the plaintiffs. The plaintiffs are only women on the USWNT. Nothing re the lawsuit has anything to do with the youth teams etc. There are lawyers on this forum. They have made some valid arguments in favor of the federation's case. Public opinion may be with the women but don't be so sure that their legal footing is as firm as their pop culture appeal.

I just can't get past the following: why on earth would Kate Markgraf---recently hired by the federation and well respected by most--be announcing new DA club additions in middle March (after Cordeiro already resigned in February and Cone installed) if they know they are trashing the entire thing only 3 weeks later? Either the rumor is complete BS or Kate Markgraf is just a talking head without any meaningful purpose and this makes her look foolish or conniving. For now, I think the former (BS).

One of the tweets early on this thread said an announcement was forthcoming today. Obviously, that is wrong.
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I think the new CEO Wilson is at the root of this to a degree. He probably did all financial number upon being hired and said, 9 million for what? We are likely going to have to pay the WNT how much more? umm, yeah no DA and give us that 9 million every year. Ok, done.
 
soccer4us said:
I think the new CEO Wilson is at the root of this to a degree. He probably did all financial number upon being hired and said, 9 million for what? We are likely going to have to pay the WNT how much more? umm, yeah no DA and give us that 9 million every year. Ok, done.
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Plus the COVID situation and not making much money this spring. That combined with 9m a year and lawsuits made this a easier decision I bet....assuming all true of course :)
 
I thought it was odd that ECNL hadn’t announced any new defections since Real Colorado & Texans on 3/11 and NC Courage & United on 3/23, because there are more.

Wondering if whatever new clubs are admitted after the DA folds will all be announced as a group?
 
Everyone is talking about how expensive the girls DA was but am curious how much it cost the federation to send all the youth teams all over the world this past year to play foreign teams - between the concacaf and friendlies I bet there were about 10 events this past year (U15, U16, U17, U19, and U20 all traveled extensively)
 
Surf Zombie said:
I thought it was odd that ECNL hadn’t announced any new defections since Real Colorado & Texans on 3/11 and NC Courage & United on 3/23, because there are more.

Wondering if whatever new clubs are admitted after the DA folds will all be announced as a group?
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Which clubs are you referring to?
 
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oh canada said:
Except that US Soccer is not likely self-insured. Depending on the policy, insurance could cover much of any settlement. Cone has said she wants to settle and move on. The lawsuit is about unequal pay for the plaintiffs. The plaintiffs are only women on the USWNT. Nothing re the lawsuit has anything to do with the youth teams etc. There are lawyers on this forum. They have made some valid arguments in favor of the federation's case. Public opinion may be with the women but don't be so sure that their legal footing is as firm as their pop culture appeal.

I just can't get past the following: why on earth would Kate Markgraf---recently hired by the federation and well respected by most--be announcing new DA club additions in middle March (after Cordeiro already resigned in February and Cone installed) if they know they are trashing the entire thing only 3 weeks later? Either the rumor is complete BS or Kate Markgraf is just a talking head without any meaningful purpose and this makes her look foolish or conniving. For now, I think the former (BS).

One of the tweets early on this thread said an announcement was forthcoming today. Obviously, that is wrong.
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Formal announcement should come next Wednesday, 4/15.
 
futboldad1 said:
You're completely forgetting that three weeks ago nobody had any idea that soccer was going to get shut down world wide for months on end......possibly the most important three-week swing in recent history
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C'mon, that's the elephant in the room. But clubs already have paid their dues to US Soccer. Does US Soccer charge more/separate for the showcaes etc.? I doubt it. They aren't losing money because of this month off--actually saving with staff furloghed and showcases that they don't have to run. I"m done posting for now and will wait n see if any of this is true. Happy Easter everyone! Stay healthy and enjoy the family via Zoom :)
 
oh canada said:
C'mon, that's the elephant in the room. But clubs already have paid their dues to US Soccer. Does US Soccer charge more/separate for the showcaes etc.? I doubt it. They aren't losing money because of this month off--actually saving with staff furloghed and showcases that they don't have to run. I"m done posting for now and will wait n see if any of this is true. Happy Easter everyone! Stay healthy and enjoy the family via Zoom :)
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USDA did not charge clubs/players any dues other than $50 per player registration so there was no revenue to lose
 
Yak said:
USDA did not charge clubs/players any dues other than $50 per player registration so there was no revenue to lose
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Losing millions in revenue at the moment...4 months of no income marketing $$, sales, tv $$ that reserve may save them for a while if those lawsuits don't drain them first. . On borrowed time, no bailout $$ for them.
 
oh canada said:
C'mon, that's the elephant in the room. But clubs already have paid their dues to US Soccer. Does US Soccer charge more/separate for the showcaes etc.? I doubt it. They aren't losing money because of this month off--actually saving with staff furloghed and showcases that they don't have to run. I"m done posting for now and will wait n see if any of this is true. Happy Easter everyone! Stay healthy and enjoy the family via Zoom :)
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This was US Soccer's entire Player Development budget. Notice that for 2020 they budgeted ~$7.2 Million for Development Academy Expenses, but the project actual expenses were ~$7.9 Million. The Development Academy is bleeding them dry. Now US Soccer's sources of income, which funds this money-losing operation, are coming to a screeching halt with C-19. It's not difficult to put 2 and 2 together to see where that is headed.
 
Soccer43 said:
Everyone is talking about how expensive the girls DA was but am curious how much it cost the federation to send all the youth teams all over the world this past year to play foreign teams - between the concacaf and friendlies I bet there were about 10 events this past year (U15, U16, U17, U19, and U20 all traveled extensively)
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January 2019 to today, the U16’s took 2 trips 6/19 and 2/20 and had 2 camp in FL.
 
wc_baller said:
This was US Soccer's entire Player Development budget. Notice that for 2020 they budgeted ~$7.2 Million for Development Academy Expenses, but the project actual expenses were ~$7.9 Million. The Development Academy is bleeding them dry. Now US Soccer's sources of income, which funds this money-losing operation, are coming to a screeching halt with C-19. It's not difficult to put 2 and 2 together to see where that is headed.
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How is DA bleeding them dry? That's the 2020 budget, with no soccer being played there isn't anything to spend any money on. The bulk of the money is spent on showcases and events, no showcases no money to spend. If you want to complain about money being spent scroll up and look at what the youth national teams and national team coaches are costing. What your also missing on this is the revenue a few pages before this page you posted that has the DA generate revenue which was around $1.7M. I assume that's the hotel kickbacks AKA the Stay and Play, and other assorted stuff like all those cool sweatshirts everyone bought in Florida. US Soccer started the year with something like $140M, with these numbers wouldn't that make the DA ~5% of the that? My point is DA is a blip on the overall costs at US Soccer. If they are going to axe the DA to pay for the Lawsuits then they also need to throw in the youth national teams and all the other associated costs like those "Sports Medicine" fees. Axing the DA isn't about money and quite frankly with all that's going on at US Soccer if the DA is at the top of there issues then we have a bigger problem. Just my 2 cents...
 
oh canada said:
A lot of hysteria being projected here based on a general Tweet...let's all keep the toilet paper on the shelves.

What is likely? DA is not going to leave all of its clubs hanging without a league for this next year---to begin a few months from now. If they are going to get out of providing a league, it will be a phase out and announced well in advance.

More likely is that they will announce a cancellation of the rest of this season (duh), and will keep their league operating, just make changes to rules/restrictions--eg, allowing high school. Maybe also expand the division system as they have experimented with in a couple age groups on the boys side.

ECNL has no incentive to let other clubs in -- they don't need 'em. Especially since their only competitor is floundering.

One thing for sure...look for clubs to try and get your money asap so you're locked in with them. As usual in club soccer, the kids are an afterthought. Advice to youngers parents...find another sport. The BS in this youth sport isn't worth it.
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I wish you had told me that 8 years ago....
 
Giesbock said:
Among the smart and informed voices here, I’ll bring it down to a very personal level for a minute or two...

My daughter has been straddling her DA and DPL teams...guesting with DA until Covid 19 tilted the world. She’s working harder than I’ve ever seen, studying film, practicing moves, etc etc. HS track season gone, DA North Carolina showcase gone, etc... i tried starting a thread asking how all this will affect June 15 for 2022 graduates but it didn’t get much traction. Not on an organizational, macro level, but how will hundreds of kids, parents and good hardworking coaches will be affected?

Not really expecting a reply as much as just expressing my consternation with all this turmoil.
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I am with you. Sorry about your DD. I have a 2022 and am wondering the same. With all the changes that this group, and others, have been through I see some kids saying they are done.
 
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