Girls Development Academy

Posted this on the 04 group but want thoughts on this as well.........My 2cents Hoping after this meeting in Chicago US Soccer realizes what a huge mistake they made by combining the age groups AGAIN. I think there is a very good chance they make a change back to age pure as that is the only way they can take down ECNL. To many very good 04's will jump to a ECNL team (depending on distance) if this doesn't happen is my educated guess. I know 95% of the 04 age group hopes this happens and US Soccer makes this easy correction. If so all will be good with the world.
 
Lone Wolf said:
Posted this on the 04 group but want thoughts on this as well.........My 2cents Hoping after this meeting in Chicago US Soccer realizes what a huge mistake they made by combining the age groups AGAIN. I think there is a very good chance they make a change back to age pure as that is the only way they can take down ECNL. To many very good 04's will jump to a ECNL team (depending on distance) if this doesn't happen is my educated guess. I know 95% of the 04 age group hopes this happens and US Soccer makes this easy correction. If so all will be good with the world.
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Please explain how this is the ONLY way to take down ECNL?
 
timbuck said:
Huh? This was the Womens U20 team. There is not a female DA yet. It starts in 2017. Can't blame the US WOMENS YNT losses on the Development Academy. If anything, this is a reason to say that "ECNL isn't working."
Now - you can blame the failure to qualify for the olympics and failures for the mens/boys YNT on DA. Just now the girlsl (yet).
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The issue are not the players. It's the YNT head coaches, the player selection, who and how they play them in their tactical formation. Not to mention, they don't know how to play and teach possession soccer. The YNT coaches have been training the U17 and U20 teams for the past 2 years....so yes, US Womens Soccer needs to take responsibility for their recent failures.

Now US soccer wants to implement their best practice training programs at each girls DA clubs. The same best practice which hasn't been bearing fruit. Parents should have doubt about US soccer best practices.

I want to know why Michelle French didn't play a midfielder who knows how to boss the midfield and a midfielder who can pull the strings. Instead it was always get the ball to the forwards Ashley, Mallory and Scarpa and go at it yourselves.
 
eastbaysoccer said:
http://www.soccerwire.com/news/club...clubs-reconsider-decline-girls-da-membership/

Things are starting to unravel. As soon as a big power in the SW leaves the DA this thing ends before it starts.

.......I agree on the YNT coaches. Gotta go. All of them.
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Thanks EastBayS...The comments from OK were telling and seem really practical...just curious for those who are in the know...how many ECNL clubs have excellent B teams in the same age group? In my neck of the woods, my observation has been that kids --especially ambitious parents-- desperately want their kid to be on the A team and will leave the club rather than play on a B team if they truly have talent. It seems that if a club does not have ECNL then DA makes sense but if the club is ECNL it will be a challenge to support a truly elite second team.

Further, if Suzy Cupcakes wants to be DA will she leave her ECNL team for a rival DA team bc her legacy club would not promote her to DA? S0mething will have to give... in sports talent is distributed along a bell curve...if you distribute the top 2% of players over a 40% increase in the number of "elite" teams then something has to give...also bc DA expanded the number of participating clubs the increase in "elite" teams is probably over 100% per age band chasing the same 2% of players on the elite tail end of the bell curve...

Same as it ever was? After this massive dilutions sets in I wonder if the top clubs in the land will continue to be the top clubs in the land just as the top clubs from old CSL Premier seem to be the top clubs in the new leagues. Maybe the new paradigm will be kids just following successful coaches regardless of the league they play in. Coaches with the best Rolodex of college coaches, whose teams get into the the best college showcases and whose teams consistently perform well against top teams regardless of the league. In other words same as it ever was.
 
soccerobserver said:
Thanks EastBayS...The comments from OK were telling and seem really practical...just curious for those who are in the know...how many ECNL clubs have excellent B teams in the same age group? In my neck of the woods, my observation has been that kids --especially ambitious parents-- desperately want their kid to be on the A team and will leave the club rather than play on a B team if they truly have talent. It seems that if a club does not have ECNL then DA makes sense but if the club is ECNL it will be a challenge to support a truly elite second team.

Further, if Suzy Cupcakes wants to be DA will she leave her ECNL team for a rival DA team bc her legacy club would not promote her to DA? S0mething will have to give... in sports talent is distributed along a bell curve...if you distribute the top 2% of players over a 40% increase in the number of "elite" teams then something has to give...also bc DA expanded the number of participating clubs the increase in "elite" teams is probably over 100% per age band chasing the same 2% of players on the elite tail end of the bell curve...

Same as it ever was? After this massive dilutions sets in I wonder if the top clubs in the land will continue to be the top clubs in the land just as the top clubs from old CSL Premier seem to be the top clubs in the new leagues. Maybe the new paradigm will be kids just following successful coaches regardless of the league they play in. Coaches with the best Rolodex of college coaches, whose teams get into the the best college showcases and whose teams consistently perform well against top teams regardless of the league. In other words same as it ever was.
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Please join the twenty-first century and do not refer to girls/young women as "Suzy Cupcakes".
 
It was pretty clear watching Mexico out pass, out possess and out think our u20's that the issue is in the coaching. I knew that a moment of individual brilliance would probably still win it for us (and it did) but it was really interesting that the Mexico kids are in the same clubs and colleges as the US kids yet could play such better soccer. That point has to be crystal clear to the powers that be?

And again, we won the game, so maybe all is well in their minds, but from a US soccer fan's viewpoint, that game was really discouraging. What will it take for change to happen?

DA is not the answer. It's poorly designed and implemented and offers no hope for any change to the status quo. It was pretty telling that Heinrichs condemned ECNL for lack of great development and then anointed THOSE SAME clubs to DA. I guess the magic DA fairy dust makes those clubs and coaches just wonderful developmental programs.
 
NoGoal said:
You really are an idiot! Learn some basic math. 1 point for each player divided by 1 point for each semester/quarter competed. 4 years = 8 semester points. If a sophomore transferred out after 2 yrs that is 4 points out of 8 = 500 APR. Then take the rest of the roster and do the same. 7-8 transfers will drop well below 990.

As for my DD committing to UDub. She isn't a YNT player and I know UCLA and Stanford recruits from the YNT team, so why bother barking up the wrong tree. Many girls committing to those schools without YNT experience will be challenged to find any pitch time. How many girls are going to beat out Mallory, Fleming and Ashley for playing time? Not many at all. Same applies for Stanford. USC, she didn't like the surrounding area outside of USC. CAL they committed 5 players in my DDs class many from Surf before the 3-4 Surf players ended up decommitting from CAL their HS Jr year.

My DD was also looking for the following, wanted to attend an out of state, large student body, academically ranked University (UDub ranked #54 by U.S. News), offers her major, cooler weather and rain doesn't bother her (she hates hot weather), team that plays the ball on the ground, large city, school with football team.
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Correction to your post NG: school with a FANTASTIC football team.

And btw, anyone doubting the academic strength of UDub, just hop onto your kid's Naviance program and see how many kids from the school apply and how many get in.

And further, large public institutions are at a disadvantage with APR as many take walk-ons and they end up transferring out at a higher percentage when they realize they are not going to get time. Nothing wrong with it, but it does skew the APR.
 
eastbaysoccer said:
The U20 team is knocked out of the U20 world cup by North Korea and were outshot 25 to single digits.

The DA is as good as dead now. Many forums are calling for a house cleaning today.

In theory the DA was a great idea but with no financial support from US Soccer and boneheaded upper leaderships this really never had a chance.
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North Korea was a delight to watch. They outplayed the US in every position except for goalie. I thought Mallory Pugh was overrated and plays better with the older's. Sanchez was a pure delight to watch. What a treat to be so talented for a youngster. Watt would have made a difference had she not gotten injured. The US just didn't bring it the last 30 min of extra time. North Korea played like it was the 1st minute in extra time. It is going to be a great Championship game! I am rooting for North Korea!
 
Soccer123 said:
North Korea was a delight to watch. They outplayed the US in every position except for goalie. I thought Mallory Pugh was overrated and plays better with the older's. Sanchez was a pure delight to watch. What a treat to be so talented for a youngster. Watt would have made a difference had she not gotten injured. The US just didn't bring it the last 30 min of extra time. North Korea played like it was the 1st minute in extra time. It is going to be a great Championship game! I am rooting for North Korea!
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All I can say is WOW!! I'm going to guess you don't have a player of Pugh's caliber.

Mallory Pugh overrated? You sound like Pulgita now. Pugh is amazing. The tactics and surrounding cast, not so much. Sanchez is talented but she is no Pugh. You will get to see them both on the same team all the time next year. I'm take any bet that Pugh fills up the stat sheet more even with teams focused on her. If you have never seen Pugh play live you need to hold off on any ignorant comments regarding her. It's like watching Lebron James live. It's hard to appreciate the effect that he has on the game when you are watching what the TV camera wants you to see and not everything else.
 
I have seen Pugh live when she was in real CO. Good player.

Have you seen the Najee Harris the high school football #1 Recruit in America? Go to you tube. Dude is amazing and she's nothing close to what he is compared to their relative standards.
So when people talk about her like she's the second coming of Mia Hamm I just laugh. Pure marketing at play. However no doubt one of the better players on the U20 team.
 
eastbaysoccer said:
I have seen Pugh live when she was in real CO. Good player.

Have you seen the Najee Harris the high school football #1 Recruit in America? Go to you tube. Dude is amazing and she's nothing close to what he is compared to their relative standards.
So when people talk about her like she's the second coming of Mia Hamm I just laugh. Pure marketing at play. However no doubt one of the better players on the U20 team.
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I just saw Mr. Harris and I have to tell you I noticed two things right away that are going to be a big shock for him come his first D1 game. He runs too high and leaves his feet too much. Let's revisit this next year about this time and see who had done more for their respective teams. You are right about there being no comparison and I think the player getting shortchanged is Pugh.
 
MakeAPlay said:
I just saw Mr. Harris and I have to tell you I noticed two things right away that are going to be a big shock for him come his first D1 game. He runs too high and leaves his feet too much. Let's revisit this next year about this time and see who had done more for their respective teams. You are right about there being no comparison and I think the player getting shortchanged is Pugh.
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Agreed on Pugh being the one shortchanged there. She's already playing against elite competition and doing well. In HS football, he's a man among boys, so it will be hard to project his impact until he's regularly competing with other grown men. His tape shows him running over a lot of 190lb kids. Not to hijack the thread, but I will say that his running style shouldn't be a big problem given his size. Upright running-style is bad for little guys, but when you are 6'3, 230+ with speed, it can work. Reminds me of Eddie George. Jalen Hurd (formerly) of Tennessee also had a lot of success running like that. However, if he keeps growing, he won't be a running back for long. He could easily put on 40 lbs in college, and if he wants to play in the NFL, he'll have to do it at another position. I see a kid that big in HS and I imagine he's going to be a LB or TE eventually.
 
MakeAPlay said:
All I can say is WOW!! I'm going to guess you don't have a player of Pugh's caliber.

Mallory Pugh overrated? You sound like Pulgita now. Pugh is amazing. The tactics and surrounding cast, not so much. Sanchez is talented but she is no Pugh. You will get to see them both on the same team all the time next year. I'm take any bet that Pugh fills up the stat sheet more even with teams focused on her. If you have never seen Pugh play live you need to hold off on any ignorant comments regarding her. It's like watching Lebron James live. It's hard to appreciate the effect that he has on the game when you are watching what the TV camera wants you to see and not everything else.
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My own personal opinion, overrated in this game. I just don't think she did much for an impact player, but as you alluded to, it may have had something to do with her surrounding cast, b/c at times, she got frustrated at them. I am a Pugh fan and recently a Sanchez fan and can appreciate talent when I see it. Love to see our Blues girl playing with the best and representing! Look forward to seeing them be amazing together at UCLA! I think they both will fill up the stat sheet and be incredible together!!
 
Soccer123 said:
My own personal opinion, overrated in this game. I just don't think she did much for an impact player, but as you alluded to, it may have had something to do with her surrounding cast, b/c at times, she got frustrated at them. I am a Pugh fan and recently a Sanchez fan and can appreciate talent when I see it. Love to see our Blues girl playing with the best and representing! Look forward to seeing them be amazing together at UCLA! I think they both will fill up the stat sheet and be incredible together!!
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Fair enough. I agree that they both will do well next year so you will get plenty of opportunities to see them live. I suggest you bring your daughter out to see them.
 
MakeAPlay said:
Fair enough. I agree that they both will do well next year so you will get plenty of opportunities to see them live. I suggest you bring your daughter out to see them.
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My DD will definitely be catching some of their games. It will be a treat for all of us to watch the talent out there. Can't wait!
 
Soccer123 said:
My DD will definitely be catching some of their games. It will be a treat for all of us to watch the talent out there. Can't wait!
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Hope fully my dd will have an opportunity to play against them and test her metal. UCLA will win it all next year. Feel sorry for the UCLA seniors that will be sitting pine.
 
It won't matter later said:
Correction to your post NG: school with a FANTASTIC football team.

And btw, anyone doubting the academic strength of UDub, just hop onto your kid's Naviance program and see how many kids from the school apply and how many get in.

And further, large public institutions are at a disadvantage with APR as many take walk-ons and they end up transferring out at a higher percentage when they realize they are not going to get time. Nothing wrong with it, but it does skew the APR.
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IWML, Congrats to your son.....Pac12 Football Champs! Your family must be so PROUD, Go Dawgs!
 
eastbaysoccer said:
Hope fully my dd will have an opportunity to play against them and test her metal. UCLA will win it all next year. Feel sorry for the UCLA seniors that will be sitting pine.
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What seniors will be sitting pine? The only two players that will be seniors who start are on the backline and aren't going anywhere. Winters and Matulich are valuable off the bench. The Bruins started 6 freshman, a sophomore, 2 juniors and 2 seniors in their last few games. They are going to have hockey line changes on offense next year. I agree they are going to be the odds on favorite to win. Let's see if the the natty by the ladies of Troy motivates them. They tied West Virginia and beat $C when they played them. They will be in good shape next year.
 
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