College Entrance Scam includes former Yale Women's Soccer Coach

Surfref said:
It wouldn’t surprise me if UCLA fired all of the men and women’s soccer coaches and self imposed a reduction in the number of scholarships. I could also see NCAA sanctioning them and banning them from playoffs for a couple years.

Rich people f’ing it up for the rest of us.
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This has nothing to do with scholarships and there is no reason to reduce them due to this scandal.
 
LadiesMan217 said:
This has nothing to do with scholarships and there is no reason to reduce them due to this scandal.
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Agreed. The issue is that the coaches are allocated 6-9 recruits that they are allowed to move from the "qualified" bucket into the "admitted" bucket and with little oversight apparently. Sadly some coaches decided to monetize one or more of their slots.
 
LadiesMan217 said:
This has nothing to do with scholarships and there is no reason to reduce them due to this scandal.
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If the NCAA doesn't stamp out maleficence by the athletic departments by reducing scholarships (i.e. their ability to compete)... how exactly do you all suggest they get punished?

Sure you can bring in a new crop of coaches, but that won't teach/keep the boosters or new coaches from falling pray to the same pressures the old coaches did. Take away some scholarship for a couple years on the other hand, and everyone gets taught the lesson and the entire structure works against the influence of outside money.
 
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As punishment, I would suggest that Lauren Isackson start at left back for the UCLA kneelers but that might actually improve the defense.

Thanks Messi!
 
push_up said:
As punishment, I would suggest that Lauren Isackson start at left back for the UCLA kneelers but that might actually improve the defense.

Thanks Messi!
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So aside from complaining you've got nothing?
Can't help but ask... care to share the name of your kid? I'd be interested in looking her up and have a public discussion about how squeeky clean the push-up family is.
 
tenacious said:
If the NCAA doesn't stamp out maleficence by the athletic departments by reducing scholarships (i.e. their ability to compete)... how exactly do you all suggest they get punished?

Sure you can bring in a new crop of coaches, but that won't teach the boosters or new coaches from falling pray to the same pressures the old coaches did. Take away some scholarship for a couple years on the other hand, and everyone gets taught the lesson and the entire structure works against the influence of outside money.
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I'm all for punishments that fit crimes. These coaches abused their preferred acceptance slots, so take those away for a couple years.
 
Dos Equis said:
Good to see USC Trustees stepping up to get their star crew recruits some valuable time on the water.

Lori Loughlins' daughter Olivia Jade was aboard USC official's yacht in Bahamas when mom was charged
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Yes there were a couple celebs involved, but I'm not sure the larger message here is only about privilege and wealth. Here's a write up from the NYTimes about another Ivy League cheating scandal not to long back: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/30/us/tm-landry-college-prep-black-students.html

I couldn't tell you if the root of all this shameful behavior around sending kids to college is because social media rubs everyone else's accomplishments in our face day-after-day, and we inflict so much greed and jealously on ourselves; or if the American Dream is truly dead and we are now forced into a death-match over the few left-over crumbs of opportunity? But what I can say for sure is somewhere along the line we've gone off the rails.

Anyway my dd graduates college in a couple months so I'm just going to excuse myself from this thread now that I'm remembering how happy I am the college acceptance stage has passed for me and mine. My only reflection is for all the huff and puff, how many of us wouldn't game the system college system if given the chance (with the way things are), and also how I'll never get back all those sleepless nights spent agonizing my kids future.
 
I know a handful of people that are fairly wealthy. They all have pretty f’ed up family lives. They tend to just “throw money” at problems.
 
soccerobserver said:
"Son defends parents caught in college admissions scandal while smoking blunt" ...this guy also gets style points...even took the opportunity to promote his Rap CD...


https://nypost.com/2019/03/13/son-d...llege-admissions-scandal-while-smoking-blunt/
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Omg.....smh.
What is striking to me is that many of these parents have Ivy league educations themselves so they should have some idea of the work it takes to get there and once there, then graduate. You would think they would value the hard work - meaning, they should have known if their kid was on track to get into one these top schools on their own. If Olivia Jade or whoever, is not pulling the grades in high school, maybe get a tutor? Maybe tell her to get off social media? You know, maybe be a parent?!!
One of our main jobs as parents is to make sure our kids grow up to be happy, well adjusted and hopefully be contributing members of our society. All of those parents failed big time and in the process, cheated not only their own kids, but those who truly should have been accepted into those schools. I hope all of them receive the maximum sentence.
 
timbuck said:
I know a handful of people that are fairly wealthy. They all have pretty f’ed up family lives. They tend to just “throw money” at problems.
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Yep, I know several too. When I was younger, after I had just graduated from a Cal State school, I became friends with a girl who had just graduated USC. Her family was extremely wealthy and she had everything that I basically didn't - a sports car, designer clothes and jewelry, a townhouse, and a paycheck every two weeks that came from her father's company, even though she never worked there. Girlfriend was SO unhappy--she had no direction or purpose. I could never understand it--she had it all and she was actually very smart. She was also so spoiled and she behaved like a brat at times. I remember one birthday party in which her Mom took about 20 of her friends to brunch. She opened one of her gifts which happened to be a designer watch (at least 2k) but she threw a fit there because it was the wrong color or style...I can't remember.
I swear, I'm happy I knew her because she did influence me as what NOT to do with my own kids! But I never want to say that this makes me better than these people --although, I'd be lying if I didn't feel a tiny bit better about my own parenting right now. I would say that, we as parents, always want what is best for our kids and sometimes, in this crazy world, our judgment and thinking gets warped and we don't always make the best decisions.
 
timbuck said:
I know a handful of people that are fairly wealthy. They all have pretty f’ed up family lives. They tend to just “throw money” at problems.
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SMH - I know a handful of middle class families. They all have pretty f'ed up lives. They spend more money that they can afford on club soccer, soccer trainers, $200 cleats, futsal, gas, travel, etc.... maybe they are the exception, not the rule.
 
This whole thing makes me sad for the kids that worked their ass off and got into these institutions by their own hard work. Now they have to deal with people giving them sh*t over their coach's ethics or people questioning how they actually made it in (although many girls I know at Ivys are by no means "rich")
 
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