College Entrance Scam includes former Yale Women's Soccer Coach

The NCAA stated they are already reviewing it.

Think about it this way -- a minority student athlete/family receives financial help from a booster/program, and the result is the program gets penalized for a lack of institutional oversight allowing a violation of the rules. Now a bunch of rich white kid's parents (the majority of that list) cheat on tests and pay their kids' way into schools using preferential athletic admissions policies and conspiring coaches as a conduit, and no penalties to the programs? Good luck with that.
 
Dos Equis said:
The NCAA stated they are already reviewing it.

Think about it this way -- a minority student athlete/family receives financial help from a booster/program, and the result is the program gets penalized for a lack of institutional oversight allowing a violation of the rules. Now a bunch of rich white kid's parents (the majority of that list) cheat on tests and pay their kids' way into schools using preferential athletic admissions policies and conspiring coaches as a conduit, and no penalties to the programs? Good luck with that.
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Yeah, but in the case of the booster, the kid is a real athlete that impacts the program. They are cheating to make the athletic program better. The NCAA has an interest in keeping the playing field level. In this case, the kids don't even play - they hurt the program. There is no cross-institutional unfairness. This is all about admissions fraud, with athletics being one of the vehicles. All of that said, you are probably right. The NCAA will find some justification to be involved.
 
shales1002 said:
I am not sure how these are NCAA violations as these kids were never athletes to begin with.
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Are you serious? An NCAA D1 coach took money (bribes) to inappropriately claim that kids that did not even play the sport were being recruited so they could circumvent the admissions process. I am positive that will violate some NCAA recruiting or ethics rule. The NCAA has sanctioned many programs for recruiting violations that were minor compared to this case. USC and UCLA will definitely see some type of sanctions.
 
I fear that there are many more shoes yet to drop. I know a few college coaches on a first name basis (although one of them mysteriously always calls me "Robert"). I hope that none of them are involved in this, or even fantasize that one of them was approached, refused, and informed the authorities.
 
Glen said:
The NCAA has an interest in keeping the playing field level.
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I disagree, the NCAA has no goal of keeping the playing field level, nor keeping money out of college sports. Their goal is to keep corruption out of the sports programs, and to keep the players amateurs, not professionals. This violates the former.

If they wanted a level playing field, they would not let the conferences sell their TV rights, and split the money amongst their athletic programs (benefiting the strongest). They would exert greater control over athletic budgets, and not let some schools build facilities rivaling professionals and have highly paid coaching staffs, while others suffer with smaller budgets and old facilities. They would not let schools negotiate individual deals with uniforms companies, some worth tens of millions of dollars. They would not pay bowl winners large sums of money to help fund their programs, helping ensure the dominance of certain conferences.

So perhaps USC does not have to vacate its Women's Soccer National Championship, based on your rationale. But I would not count on that. These illegal payments went not just to enhance coach salaries, but some funded the athletic teams/programs as well -- there goes that level playing field argument.
 
Surfref said:
Are you serious? An NCAA D1 coach took money (bribes) to inappropriately claim that kids that did not even play the sport were being recruited so they could circumvent the admissions process. I am positive that will violate some NCAA recruiting or ethics rule. The NCAA has sanctioned many programs for recruiting violations that were minor compared to this case. USC and UCLA will definitely see some type of sanctions.
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Yes, I am serious. I am sure NCAA will look to find a violation, but my question again was how these are NCAA violations as these kids were never athletes to begin with? It was to circumvent the admissions process and NOT to play the sport. Isn't NCAA looking for situations that offer unfair enhancements? USC crew team did benefit, which would be a violation. However, the previous USC coach and the current UCLA Men's coach used those monies for personal projects it seems. How is this a recruiting violation when these players were never recruited to begin with? bruce isackson davina isackson wanted their daughter at $C and the A.D. realized her application went to the regular admissions pile. She never went to $C. UCLA men's coach became involved at this point.
 
Operation Varsity Blues..
https://fox5sandiego.com/2019/03/12/usd-san-diego-parents-named-in-nationwide-college-admission-scam

USD, San Diego parents named in nationwide college admission scam

SAN DIEGO -- San Diego parents were indicted for their alleged involvement in a nationwide scam dubbed "Operation Varsity Blues."

Dozens were arrested and charged for a nationwide scheme that helped students gain admission to some of the nation's top universities Tuesday. Among those charged and arrested include actresses Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman.

Former CBS 8 owner Elisabeth Kimmel, in addition to Toby MacFarlane, were also listed as suspects in the indictment, court documents reveal.

The investigation involved alumni and aspiring student athletes at University of San Diego, UCLA, USC, Georgetown University, Stanford University, University of Texas, Wake Forest and Yale.

USD issued the following statement to FOX 5:

"The University of San Diego has been cooperating with the United States Department of Justice’s investigation involving an alleged criminal conspiracy to facilitate cheating on college entrance exams and admission into colleges and universities.

We have no reason to believe that any members of our admissions team, our administration or staff, or our current coaching staff were aware of or involved in the alleged wrongdoing. We believe the federal government agrees with this assessment."

The scandal revolves around William Rick Singer, who is accused of running a for-profit college preparation business called "The Key."

The indictment reveals Singer paid college coaches to claim that a prospective student should be accepted to college because the student was a recruit for their sports team. However, Singer and the coaches knew that the student was not a competitive player and that his or her athletic profile was fake, the indictment said.




 
gefelchnik said:
Also, it is strange they went through the trouble of adding her to the team page, but then left a ton of clues she wasn't a proper team member:

1. All players run through #28, and then she is added at the end as #41.
2. Only player not in the team picture
3. In profile picture, wearing a different Under Armor jersey then all the other players
4. Her about the player description has one sentence, while the rest of the players have paragraphs.
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I just went and looked this is hysterical!! What a joke. Can't beleive UCLA has not taken her photograph...etc... down. Someone on the coaching staff has to take the fall.
 
Sons of Pitches said:
I just went and looked this is hysterical!! What a joke. Can't beleive UCLA has not taken her photograph...etc... down. Someone on the coaching staff has to take the fall.
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Joint statement from UCLA and UCLA Athletics regarding Department of Justice investigation
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/joint-statement-from-ucla-and-ucla-athletics

Men's coach is out, the Women's in Jeopardy. More investigations on the way so I'm sure you'll hear more about this...
 
Sons of Pitches said:
I just went and looked this is hysterical!! What a joke. Can't beleive UCLA has not taken her photograph...etc... down. Someone on the coaching staff has to take the fall.
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Her listed club (Woodside Soccer Club) is a real club. They have teams in the NorCal Premier League. You would think they would notice if someone suddenly showed up on the UCLA Women's roster. Are they complicit in this? Although it does appear she might have actually played with them (unlike the situation at Yale).

Interestingly, she doesn't make any pretense of being a player on her LinkedIn page. She says she's been a team manager for 2 years: "handled team administrative duties, including coordinating travel and served as on-site support for home games and practices"
 
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shales1002 said:
Yes, I am serious. I am sure NCAA will look to find a violation, but my question again was how these are NCAA violations as these kids were never athletes to begin with? It was to circumvent the admissions process and NOT to play the sport. Isn't NCAA looking for situations that offer unfair enhancements? USC crew team did benefit, which would be a violation. However, the previous USC coach and the current UCLA Men's coach used those monies for personal projects it seems. How is this a recruiting violation when these players were never recruited to begin with? bruce isackson davina isackson wanted their daughter at $C and the A.D. realized her application went to the regular admissions pile. She never went to $C. UCLA men's coach became involved at this point.
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It is definitely an ethics violation and UCLA even acknowledges it is an ethics issue and they are investigating further. The last thing that any of these athletic programs want is for the NCAA to start investigating their programs, because the NCAA always finds some violation even if it was not what they initially looked into.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/joint-statement-from-ucla-and-ucla-athletics
 
Surfref said:
It is definitely an ethics violation and UCLA even acknowledges it is an ethics issue and they are investigating further. The last thing that any of these athletic programs want is for the NCAA to start investigating their programs, because the NCAA always finds some violation even if it was not what they initially looked into.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/joint-statement-from-ucla-and-ucla-athletics
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Per the press release, sounds like the colleges will are taking the victim role. TBH aren’t they victims. Will athletes ontinue to receive preferential admissions as a result of people gaming the system?
 
SocalPapa said:
Her listed club (Woodside Soccer Club) is a real club. They have teams in the NorCal Premier League. You would think they would notice if someone suddenly showed up on the UCLA Women's roster. Are they complicit in this? Although it does appear she might have actually played with them (unlike the situation at Yale).

Interestingly, she doesn't make any pretense of being a player on her LinkedIn page. She says she's been a team manager for 2 years: "handled team administrative duties, including coordinating travel and served as on-site support for home games and practices"
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She had to!! Anyone who knew her back home would have laughed if she said she was playing soccer at UCLA. The game would have been uncovered immediately. So she stated one thing, UCLA Soccer stated another, and unless someone compared the two different versions of the truth, nobody was the wiser.
It is interesting that the usual cast of UCLA Athletic Supporters (pun intended) are very quiet today.
 
Karma is a bitch, isn't it.

I am enjoying you snobby Socal parents fret about this situation. Elite this, elite that, we are the best, etc. Socal spawned Singer. Singer reflects the culture of SoCal. Elitism, discrimination, bias, cheating, racketeering, and money laundering. It is ironic that the UCLA women's soccer team has players that are kneeling for discrimination while the coaches, parents, and players discriminate, cheat, and bribe to gain and advantage over these same minorities.
 
Zerodenero said:
Nah brah, we too po to make the list :)
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@Zerodenero your DD is a winner and will only be stronger for having to deal with this. On the bright side the scum that put her college in this position resigned before this broke so the program can stay on track (other than maybe post season???).

The kids that are playing sports at these colleges are the real victims as their post season hopes may be dashed and scholarships potentially lost. Moreover some losers will always question how they got into the college.

I would love to see a creative ambulance chaser come up with some legal theory for a class action lawsuit at each school whose sports teams are impacted by this issue. I can just see it now, USC’s crew team owning Mossimo.
 
push_up said:
Karma is a bitch, isn't it.

I am enjoying you snobby Socal parents fret about this situation. Elite this, elite that, we are the best, etc. Socal spawned Singer. Singer reflects the culture of SoCal. Elitism, discrimination, bias, cheating, racketeering, and money laundering. It is ironic that the UCLA women's soccer team has players that are kneeling for discrimination while the coaches, parents, and players discriminate, cheat, and bribe to gain and advantage over these same minorities.
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Even as crazy and emotional as MAP is, I wouldn't wish any of this on any honest parent or student in these programs.
 
Sons of Pitches said:
She had to!! Anyone who knew her back home would have laughed if she said she was playing soccer at UCLA. The game would have been uncovered immediately. So she stated one thing, UCLA Soccer stated another, and unless someone compared the two different versions of the truth, nobody was the wiser.
It is interesting that the usual cast of UCLA Athletic Supporters (pun intended) are very quiet today.
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I see there was a third characterization in the 2017 UCLA Women's Soccer Information Guide (for media). She's listed there as one of two "practice" players.
 
Sons of Pitches said:
It is interesting that the usual cast of UCLA Athletic Supporters (pun intended) are very quiet today.
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The real question is whether MAP’s DD will transfer right before her senior year or redshirt for 5 years til the post season sanctions are over(assuming sanctions are imposed) so he can say that his DD won. National Championship . Sarcasm of course!
 
The more I think about it, there will be penalties for the Bruin women. There’s no avoiding it. Someone within that program knew how she got there. The cooperating witnesses in the case are bus driving everyone involved. Singer paid Salcedo 100,00 for getting her in. The parents paid 250,000 to Singer for making it happened, and Singer paid Khoroshahin 25,000 for being the go-between. After all that was done, she was put on the roster per the conditions of her athletic acceptance. It will just be a matter of who Salcedo worked with. Whether or not anyone on the women’s team took money is not imporant.
 
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