College Entrance Scam includes former Yale Women's Soccer Coach

[GKDad65]

In the complaint I read that many of the kids did not know their parents were cheating for them...really sad...

From the complaint:

"Court-authorized wiretap:
6
CAPLAN And it works? CW-1 Every time. (laughing) CAPLAN (laughing) CW-1
I mean, I’m sure I did 30 of them at different, you know, dates because there’s
different dates,
and they’re all families like yours, and they’re all kids that wouldn’t have perform[ed] a
s well, and then they did really well, and it was like,
the kids thought, and it was so funny ’cause the kids will call me and say, “Maybe
I
should do that again. I did pretty well and if I took it again, I’ll do better even.”
Right? And they just have no
idea that they didn’t even get the score that they
thought they got."

Indeed, in many cases, CW-
1’s clients referred other parents to him, or inquired directly about other parents’
involvement in the scheme. For example, as set forth in greater detail below, defendant ...HUNEEUS, Jr., told CW-1, in substance, that he was aware that McGLASHAN had participated in the college entrance exam scheme, but that McGLASHAN had not advised his own son of that fact, and that
McGLASHAN’s
son thus
“had no idea …
that
you helped him on the ACT.”
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Excerpts of wiretap interceptions and consensual recordings set forth herein are based on draft transcripts of those recordings.

Nonsense! The "Kids" knew damn well what was going on, they participated in the rouge.

 

[Sheriff Joe]

The more I think about it, there will be penalties for the Bruin women. There’s no avoiding it. Someone within that program knew how she got there. The cooperating witnesses in the case are bus driving everyone involved. Singer paid Salcedo 100,00 for getting her in. The parents paid 250,000 to Singer for making it happened, and Singer paid Khoroshahin 25,000 for being the go-between. After all that was done, she was put on the roster per the conditions of her athletic acceptance. It will just be a matter of who Salcedo worked with. Whether or not anyone on the women’s team took money is not imporant.

The head coach had to know and if she didn't she should be fired for that very reason.

 

[timbuck]

@Tbuck the answer to your question is simple. They generate a of money, prestige and interest for the school. I was once told that Stanford football pays for the entire athletic department of Stanford. It's a serious business.

You are correct.
I went to a school in the Midwest with a decent football team and a better basketball team.
Sports means a lot to schools like this one.
I try to watch as much as possible on tv. If they ever play on the West Coast, I try to attend games.
I’d still watch if each member of the football or basketball team had a 3.7+ and a 34 on the ACT (thankfully admissions standards were a bit lower in 1992). And if all schools upheld admissions standards for ALL students, it would be likely that games would still be competitive. The super athletes with bad grades would be going to schools with lower standards. Or jump to a semi-pro/2nd tier pro-league. (NBA G-League or playing in Europe. Or the new AAF or Canadian football league).
I love NCAA March madness. I’d love it just as much if the players all stayed in school for 3+ years and the Zion/LeBron/Kobe of the world never touched a semester and a half of college basketball. (Lebron and Kobe went straight to the NBA. Zion will be done with college in about 45 days).

 

[gefelchnik]

The more I think about it, there will be penalties for the Bruin women. There’s no avoiding it. Someone within that program knew how she got there. The cooperating witnesses in the case are bus driving everyone involved. Singer paid Salcedo 100,00 for getting her in. The parents paid 250,000 to Singer for making it happened, and Singer paid Khoroshahin 25,000 for being the go-between. After all that was done, she was put on the roster per the conditions of her athletic acceptance. It will just be a matter of who Salcedo worked with. Whether or not anyone on the women’s team took money is not imporant.

They don't usually refer to persons not charged in an indictment unless they have a reason to do so.

 

[full90]

CNN had interviewed a D1 coach and quoted them as saying that a head coach has to sign off on their roster each semester. It’s a school and ncaa mandatory step for starting the season. There is no way for a player to be added without the coaches knowledge AND a head coach HAS to sign off on any special admits. Not an assistant.

So if Amanda knew nothing about the money, would she just admit a kid as a favor to Jorge? And put them on the roster? That’s a big favor. Maybe he was like “hey this is my buddy’s daughter. And her parents are rich and will make a generous contribution for your Teams Europe trip or locker room at Wallis-Annenberg.” Is there a way to check public donations to w soccer from this family?

How will they justify this? I can’t imagine UCLA allows a special admit for a manager role and even if they did, I’d imagine the kid would have a soccer or service background. And a special admit for a practice player? You could probably kick a ball down Bruin walk and find 10 ladies who could serve as practice players with pretty robust soccer backgrounds.

I think Jorge is gone from UCLA and they will somehow wiggle Amanda free. It looks bad but in the end is it bad enough to fire her? I don’t think so. She used a special admit slot on an undeserving kid and rostered her for a season. Fireable? Idk. She’s won a natty and is a good coach who is well liked and runs an elite program. It will be interesting to hear their version and to see what happens.

 

[tenacious]

CNN had interviewed a D1 coach and quoted them as saying that a head coach has to sign off on their roster each semester. It’s a school and ncaa mandatory step for starting the season. There is no way for a player to be added without the coaches knowledge AND a head coach HAS to sign off on any special admits. Not an assistant.

So if Amanda knew nothing about the money, would she just admit a kid as a favor to Jorge? And put them on the roster? That’s a big favor. Maybe he was like “hey this is my buddy’s daughter. And her parents are rich and will make a generous contribution for your Teams Europe trip or locker room at Wallis-Annenberg.” Is there a way to check public donations to w soccer from this family?

How will they justify this? I can’t imagine UCLA allows a special admit for a manager role and even if they did, I’d imagine the kid would have a soccer or service background. And a special admit for a practice player? You could probably kick a ball down Bruin walk and find 10 ladies who could serve as practice players with pretty robust soccer backgrounds.

I think Jorge is gone from UCLA and they will somehow wiggle Amanda free. It looks bad but in the end is it bad enough to fire her? I don’t think so. She used a special admit slot on an undeserving kid and rostered her for a season. Fireable? Idk. She’s won a natty and is a good coach who is well liked and runs an elite program. It will be interesting to hear their version and to see what happens.

I don't see a plausible scenario where AC doesn't get fired by the end of this. The University may not want to, but this strikes me as the perfect storm. The public is clearly out for blood, the media is worked into a frenzy, and frankly we're not talking about a money making college sport. No way the NCAA doesn't drop the hammer... and a likable, successful west Coast PAC12 coach like AC will serve as a good example for the zero tolerance message.

We're not talking much less money then Reggie Bush's parents got paid to send him to USC if you remember.

 

[oh canada]

Karma is a bitch, isn't it.

I am enjoying you snobby Socal parents fret about this situation. Elite this, elite that, we are the best, etc. Socal spawned Singer. Singer reflects the culture of SoCal. Elitism, discrimination, bias, cheating, racketeering, and money laundering. It is ironic that the UCLA women's soccer team has players that are kneeling for discrimination while the coaches, parents, and players discriminate, cheat, and bribe to gain and advantage over these same minorities.

Rick Pitino from SoCal? Joe Paterno? Baylor University? Tar Heels and their grades? This one crook happens to be in Newport Beach and Feds stumbled upon him. Glad they did. Guaranteed there are 100 other crooks doing similar deals that are sh**ting their pants across the country. Hope they catch more. This isn't just a SoCal problem.

 

[Dos Equis]

I see there was a third characterization in the 2017 UCLA Women's Soccer Information Guide (for media). She's listed there as one of two "practice" players.

This is not difficult -- too many breadcrumbs left behind.

If UCLA does not take some action regarding the women's program, given the publicly available evidence of complicity, the NCAA will likely be even more harsh.

 

[davin]

@Tbuck the answer to your question is simple. They generate a of money, prestige and interest for the school. I was once told that Stanford football pays for the entire athletic department of Stanford. It's a serious business.

Not true. The single biggest source of funding for the Stanford Athletic Department is funded by private funding(donors). Each of the head coaches' salaries, and many of the assistants, are funded by endowments.
https://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/...l-situation-of-stanfords-athletic-department/

 

[Dos Equis]

Not true. The single biggest source of funding for the Stanford Athletic Department is funded by private funding(donors). Each of the head coaches' salaries, and many of the assistants, are funded by endowments.
https://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/...l-situation-of-stanfords-athletic-department/

Most significantly, this article points out that varsity athletics cost Stanford University and students $0, and even reimburses the school for every athletic scholarship. That point was made because someone, using AOC logic in an earlier opinion piece, suggested cutting athletics and spending the savings on financial aid. The University responded that there would not be any savings.

 

[CaliKlines]

[QUOTE="oh canada, post: 253896, member: 3694 This isn't just a SoCal problem.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. This is a manifestation of a pervasive attitude in Southern CA that parents have to have the best of everything to better than everybody else. I am sure that 100% of the parents involved will be from the southern CA area. That is why the plastic surgery industry is southern CA is so big and why I see people driving BMW’s living in mobile homes. It’s all about life choices and you can choose to live intelligently and ethically, or you can bend the rules to suit yourself.

 

[davin]

I disagree. This is a manifestation of a pervasive attitude in Southern CA that parents have to have the best of everything to better than everybody else. I am sure that 100% of the parents involved will be from the southern CA area. That is why the plastic surgery industry is southern CA is so big and why I see people driving BMW’s living in mobile homes. It’s all about life choices and you can choose to live intelligently and ethically, or you can bend the rules to suit yourself.

I wish you were right, but it's not only a SoCal problem. Lots of the families were from NorCal where I'm located. https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/03...-epicenter-of-college-entry-cheating-scandal/

 

[eastbaysoccer]

UCLA doesn’t want trouble with the NCAA and May want to set an example here.

Soccer is an insignificant sport in the grand scheme of things at UCLA and it would not surprise me if the athletic director cleaned the entire house.

Remember, the soccer coaches are supervised by the athletic director. I’m sure his superiors are asking him some serious questions also.

 

[soccerobserver]

Not true. The single biggest source of funding for the Stanford Athletic Department is funded by private funding(donors). Each of the head coaches' salaries, and many of the assistants, are funded by endowments.
https://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/...l-situation-of-stanfords-athletic-department/

@Davin, my source was someone who worked for the football program. His point to me was the W-L record for the football team has major financial implications for the school above and beyond just winning or losing on paper. It generates enough to pay for the entire athletic program of the university. And Stanford's endowment is so titanic that I am sure you could show that it pays for whatever you want to show it pays for...I am a fan of Stanford and I am in awe of the University's total and undisputed academic, financial and athletic domination of all other universities.

 

[davin]

@Davin, my source was someone who worked for the football program. His point to me was the W-L record for the football team has major financial implications for the school above and beyond just winning or losing on paper. It generates enough to pay for the entire athletic program of the university. And Stanford's endowment is so titanic that I am sure you could show that it pays for whatever you want to show it pays for...I am a fan of Stanford and I am in awe of the University's total and undisputed academic, financial and athletic domination of all other universities

I have my sources too. I'm not sure your's is correct. The coaching endowments at Stanford are specific to that coaching position and not some generic endowment. The donors know exactly which position they are endowing.
Here's one for a defensive back coach on the football staff: https://gostanford.com/news/2017/8/16/football-defensive-backs-position-endowed.aspx
Here's one for the women's swimming coach: https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.c...ns-head-coaching-position-receives-endowment/

 

[push_up]

@Davin, my source was someone who worked for the football program. His point to me was the W-L record for the football team has major financial implications for the school above and beyond just winning or losing on paper. It generates enough to pay for the entire athletic program of the university. And Stanford's endowment is so titanic that I am sure you could show that it pays for whatever you want to show it pays for...I am a fan of Stanford and I am in awe of the University's total and undisputed academic, financial and athletic domination of all other universities.

...with obvious contempt of any ethical restraint and "all-in" with elitism and discrimination.

 

[outside!]

UCLA doesn’t want trouble with the NCAA and May want to set an example here.

Soccer is an insignificant sport in the grand scheme of things at UCLA and it would not surprise me if the athletic director cleaned the entire house.

Remember, the soccer coaches are supervised by the athletic director. I’m sure his superiors are asking him some serious questions also.

It would not surprise me if the AD goes as well.

 

[Surfref]

It would not surprise me if the AD goes as well.

It wouldn’t surprise me if UCLA fired all of the men and women’s soccer coaches and self imposed a reduction in the number of scholarships. I could also see NCAA sanctioning them and banning them from playoffs for a couple years.

Rich people f’ing it up for the rest of us.

 

[Lambchop]

Rick Pitino from SoCal? Joe Paterno? Baylor University? Tar Heels and their grades? This one crook happens to be in Newport Beach and Feds stumbled upon him. Glad they did. Guaranteed there are 100 other crooks doing similar deals that are sh**ting their pants across the country. Hope they catch more. This isn't just a SoCal problem.

And you better believe it isn't just happening in athletic departments! Engineering, music, art whatever. Oh, your dad is friends with so and so on the board, etc. etc. etc. etc. So sad for all the hard working students who will one way or another suffer some of the consequences and for all the additional pressure put on the younger student athletes coming up.

 

[Lambchop]

Well, they don’t call USC “University of Spoiled Children” for nothing...

I think the reason this story is so fascinating is because it covers so many topics and has so many implications:

1) The lengths some parents will go through to prevent their kids from experiencing failure - how are these kids going to deal with failure as adults? (Maybe they won’t have to because they have that financial safety net?)

2) This is going to draw significant attention to college athletics and admissions criteria - such as why are athletes prioritized to begin with? should coaches even have the authority to offer admission to recruits? Recruiting is going to get more difficult and stringent.

3) Will involved programs be penalized for a few years and lose NCAA eligibility?

4) Philosophically, does it really matter that people can buy their way in if they didn’t actually take up a roster spot? If the argument is that these kids didn’t earn it or weren’t as competitive as others, isn’t that the same as affirmative action? We’re talking about 50kids in the US out of 2.2 million incoming freshman each year - that’s .002%. I mean given the choice, would you rather pay $500k to get your kid into USC or just teach your kid to work hard and get their grades up so they earn it?

5) Assuming these kids graduated and are doing well, it says a lot about how you do on theses tests really don’t mean anything in terms of your potential.

Supermodel56, I am sure as an intelligent individual you have done your research and have seen the stats to know that well over 80% of the students at USC are on financial aid. Every school has their super rich students. Please quit calling USC spoiled rich kids. It really is getting old and is offensive to those of us who worked hard, took out loans, had partial scholarships and worked every da_ day for four years. You seem to have some hidden vendetta against USC. My comments are not about all the cheating that has gone on at the many universities that are now under scrutiny, those involved should be punished.

 

[soccerobserver]

I have my sources too. I'm not sure your's is correct. The coaching endowments at Stanford are specific to that coaching position and not some generic endowment. The donors know exactly which position they are endowing.
Here's one for a defensive back coach on the football staff: https://gostanford.com/news/2017/8/16/football-defensive-backs-position-endowed.aspx
Here's one for the women's swimming coach: https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.c...ns-head-coaching-position-receives-endowment/

Hi Devin I get your point no worries. My general point is that the football program generates a substantial amount of revenue accoring to my source. It is entirely consistent with both of our points that the football program can generate X and there are also endowments assigned to support X for the program although I might argue it does not technically need said support.