SoCal Soccer Attitude Change

espola said:
I agree. However, don't expect casual users to know that they are violating the license another party has acquired if that party makes no attempt to inform anyone. If I were in a situation where my legal use of a public space were threatened by another group who insisted that I must leave because "it's the law", I would ask them to call the cops.
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We actually have to do this occasionally when we can't clear our fields for training and games, even after we show them the City field contract.
 
coachrefparent said:
We actually have to do this occasionally when we can't clear our fields for training and games, even after we show them the City field contract.
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Way back when I was coaching U6 Rec I had an issue with some grownups batting balls onto our practice field. I walked over to them and explained that we had the field permit and to please stop batting until we were done. They gave me some lip. I once again explained that we had the field permit and added that we could call the police on them. They tried to call my bluff. I then said "See that group of moms over there? Do you think they will let you get to your car alive if you hit one of their kids?" They agreed to stop batting practice immediately.
 
wildcat66 said:
Probably going to the local high school football game tonight. I wonder how manty spectators will be ejected due to their disagreement with a call. I know, it's a stadium no a soccer field and one or two fans are much more abusive than 500.
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Consider the following. I recently heard from a Referee Assignor that the attrition rate among young referees (minors) is about 50 percent. These young people get their Grade 8's and after about 1 season of serving as an AR or Ref at the club soccer level, drop out, never to be heard from again. The 1st reason is A-Hole parents; the second reason is A-Hole coaches; the 3rd reason is A-Hole parents (see 1).

We have a problem. Grown men and women think is cool to demean and degrade the kids in yellow doing the best job they can. Sure, they get $31 for spending 140 minutes doing the best job they can and they do make mistakes.

A stadium setting is much different than an intimate sideline setting. In the stadium the words are nothing more than background noise versus cutting like a knife in that U14 game hearing from the A-Hole Dad 10 feet away. That 45 year old can take it and brush it off as the ramblings of an idiot (and laugh about it like I do), but that 13 or 15 year old AR is going to take it to heart. They will run that sideline and finish the game and may leave that day and never come back.

Respect. Its a word that some understand and some don't. You can respect something without agreeing with it. All we ask as parents, coaches and refs is Respect the game. Respect the players. Respect the referees. If a parent feels the need to disagree, at least be good natured and cool about it. Its youth soccer after all.
 
MWN said:
Consider the following. I recently heard from a Referee Assignor that the attrition rate among young referees (minors) is about 50 percent. These young people get their Grade 8's and after about 1 season of serving as an AR or Ref at the club soccer level, drop out, never to be heard from again. The 1st reason is A-Hole parents; the second reason is A-Hole coaches; the 3rd reason is A-Hole parents (see 1).

We have a problem. Grown men and women think is cool to demean and degrade the kids in yellow doing the best job they can. Sure, they get $31 for spending 140 minutes doing the best job they can and they do make mistakes.

A stadium setting is much different than an intimate sideline setting. In the stadium the words are nothing more than background noise versus cutting like a knife in that U14 game hearing from the A-Hole Dad 10 feet away. That 45 year old can take it and brush it off as the ramblings of an idiot (and laugh about it like I do), but that 13 or 15 year old AR is going to take it to heart. They will run that sideline and finish the game and may leave that day and never come back.

Respect. Its a word that some understand and some don't. You can respect something without agreeing with it. All we ask as parents, coaches and refs is Respect the game. Respect the players. Respect the referees. If a parent feels the need to disagree, at least be good natured and cool about it. Its youth soccer after all.
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How did the Referee Assignor arrived at the 50% attrition number? Is one season the time frame you seem to imply? Does it only include those who choose not to come back? When a parent shouts "That's a terrible call!" do you feel disrespected as a referee?
 
I am usually one to say "lay off of the referees, it's a thankless job and they don't get pad enough to deal with being yelled at over a kids games".
But after today- screw that. To all of you refereees that suck- Kiss my soccer balls.
 
timbuck said:
I am usually one to say "lay off of the referees, it's a thankless job and they don't get pad enough to deal with being yelled at over a kids games".
But after today- screw that. To all of you refereees that suck- Kiss my soccer balls.
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I'm guessing you had a poor experience today
 
timbuck said:
I am usually one to say "lay off of the referees, it's a thankless job and they don't get pad enough to deal with being yelled at over a kids games".
But after today- screw that. To all of you refereees that suck- Kiss my soccer balls.
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I had a bad referee experience once, 2008, 2009 or so. I was the team manager so I had to get the referee's signature on the game report forms. I was so pissed I told myself to say nothing during the ritual, and I didn't, not even a friendly greeting.

I had been warned about the situation at that field by a friend who was manager of another team in the club. Before the game I looked up the game records in the Presidio website and I saw that there were more red cards awarded there than anywhere else in the league, mostly to visiting teams. I warned the players about it before the game, but we still got two red cards in the game, and a handful of yellows.

Everything the referee did was by the book, but the book has a lot of "opinion of the referee" in it.
 
Just a Parent said:
How disappointing it must be for the likes of you when none of your teenage pronouncements never come to pass.
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You must be the worst kind of ref, never wrong and acting more important than you are, probably your wife runs the household so you need to be an authority figure when she isn't around. Beotch
 
Sheriff Joe said:
Aren't you the same idiot that was arguing about a bleacher not being at a field when a picture showed it was? Yes, you are a DH.
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Actually, the reference was to bleachers, as in the difference between fans far away from the field at a high school football game that are hundreds of feet from the officials, versus youth soccer games where the parents/fans/uncles/dog walkers are feet from the officials.

[Yes the SB complex has some 3 tier metal "bleachers" a few feet from the officials and sidelines (oops, touchline.)]
 
timbuck said:
I am usually one to say "lay off of the referees, it's a thankless job and they don't get pad enough to deal with being yelled at over a kids games".
But after today- screw that. To all of you refereees that suck- Kiss my soccer balls.
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Okay timbuck, do tell, what happened?
 
Sheriff Joe said:
You must be the worst kind of ref, never wrong and acting more important than you are, probably your wife runs the household so you need to be an authority figure when she isn't around. Beotch
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It's been a while since we saw this type of pseudo psychologically clueless gobbledegook. But this is not to say it's not still hilarious. Or ridiculous sounding.

Thank god the poster doesn't know this and we likely will see more. To which I say, "More! More!"
 
coachrefparent said:
Actually, the reference was to bleachers, as in the difference between fans far away from the field at a high school football game that are hundreds of feet from the officials, versus youth soccer games where the parents/fans/uncles/dog walkers are feet from the officials.

[Yes the SB complex has some 3 tier metal "bleachers" a few feet from the officials and sidelines (oops, touchline.)]
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I see you are trying to reason with the idiot. Good luck with that.
 
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