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Sombitch said:
True on the 6/7th graders for sure - BUT they are definitely looking at Freshman for sure - and possibility the elite 8th graders of which some could already be in the U14 GNT pool.
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When my player played U13 (which used to be 7th and 8th graders) there were college coaches watching them play at ODP Regionals and coaches attended more than one of their training session. That is a fact. I saw them with my own eyes.
 
MakeAPlay said:
When my player played U13 (which used to be 7th and 8th graders) there were college coaches watching them play at ODP Regionals and coaches attended more than one of their training session. That is a fact. I saw them with my own eyes.
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I completely agree with it and have seen it first hand with my DD at those ages as well. No argument there - They are definitely there watching the elite players for sure which in 7th and 8th grade are the select few.

I haven't seen any at 6th grade games though.
 
MakeAPlay said:
When my player played U13 (which used to be 7th and 8th graders) there were college coaches watching them play at ODP Regionals and coaches attended more than one of their training session. That is a fact. I saw them with my own eyes.
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What's interesting is DA is selling this exact same thing in essence replacing ODP in their eyes.
 
krazysoccer said:
Question, why did only 1 player from Surf make ODP?
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Because most don't really care.
chiefs said:
What's interesting is DA is selling this exact same thing in essence replacing ODP in their eyes.
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are they? Isn't the goal of DA to ID players for the USNT? If they're just prepping them for college, it seems like the current structure already has that nailed down.
 
Sped said:
Because most don't really care.

are they? Isn't the goal of DA to ID players for the USNT? If they're just prepping them for college, it seems like the current structure already has that nailed down.
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Agree/college coaches will move over to DA games versus watching a odp cal south game v. A overwhelmed team from out of state.
 
chiefs said:
Agree/college coaches will move over to DA games versus watching a odp cal south game v. A overwhelmed team from out of state.
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But I wonder if that's really what the DA wants. They don't care about college - they care about the US teams. If all the DA is doing on the women's side is repackaging the program for college coaches, what good does that to the US program? In fact, it would seem to me that the US would rather have their best junior players not going to college at all (Mallory Pugh, for example).
 
Sped said:
But I wonder if that's really what the DA wants. They don't care about college - they care about the US teams. If all the DA is doing on the women's side is repackaging the program for college coaches, what good does that to the US program? In fact, it would seem to me that the US would rather have their best junior players not going to college at all (Mallory Pugh, for example).
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As we have seen, college is a viable training ground for the women as there are no truly legitimate careers in pro-soccer for the girls (average salary for the NWSL is $32k). The world competition for Women is very poor (except for a small handful of countries); our ladies can succeed on the world stage with the existing system. The men's game is different and College is a death sentence for the men because players don't develop and if anything regress. The men require a an approach in line with the rest of the world.
 
MWN said:
As we have seen, college is a viable training ground for the women as there are no truly legitimate careers in pro-soccer for the girls (average salary for the NWSL is $32k). The world competition for Women is very poor (except for a small handful of countries); our ladies can succeed on the world stage with the existing system. The men's game is different and College is a death sentence for the men because players don't develop and if anything regress. The men require a an approach in line with the rest of the world.
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Then why does the US need DA for women? They'll still be plucking their players from college programs.
 
Sped said:
Then why does the US need DA for women? They'll still be plucking their players from college programs.
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They don't to the extent groups like the ECNL and other high level youth and college programs were filling the void just fine. But, its here now.
 
Sped said:
But I wonder if that's really what the DA wants. They don't care about college - they care about the US teams. If all the DA is doing on the women's side is repackaging the program for college coaches, what good does that to the US program? In fact, it would seem to me that the US would rather have their best junior players not going to college at all (Mallory Pugh, for example).
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She is in college now. It just shows you the value of college to the girls. Anyone thinking that a WNT contract is likely or is better than college just needs to see what the future of US women's soccer is choosing to do. I read somewhere that 19 of the Bruins 20 underclass players made honor roll with one getting a 4.0 and several getting somewhere between a 3.5 and a 3.99. Forget national championships these amazing young women are going to be well prepared for LIFE!!
 
MakeAPlay said:
Forget national championships these amazing young women are going to be well prepared for LIFE!!
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The life lessons of competative sports are irreplaceable! Training between 3 and 5 days a week (soccer, gym and vball) maintaining a 4.0 and dealing with the social issues of being a pre-teen starting Middle School has taught her many lessons, habits and skill sets she will use throughout the rest of her life. To me, that is what it's all about.
 
krazysoccer said:
Saw article prior to post, she was 14 entering 9th grade, not 11,12 or 13 in 6th and 7th grade. I suggest you email Paul Ratcliffe at Stanford and ask how many 6th and 7th graders he has on his list of potential recruits. I know the answer.
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Wrong, when my DD visited the University of Miami as a HS freshmen. She saw 3 girls on their recruiting board that she knew. Today those 4 girls are committed to Stanford, USC and UCLA. Bury your head in the sand all you want...they evaluate the top players at 8th grade.
 
NoGoal said:
I know Ashley Sanchez (US girls youth soccer player of the year) was being recruited by LB State and Colorado at 12/13 years old.
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12/13 is too young. My DD made the mistake at 12 of talking to UCLA coaches when she was on a team field trip. I want my DD to make the right choice and be happy/understand what she is committing to. At 13 she cold turkey'd and changed sports (to my pleasure) - so much can change. Just a few months ago was the first time she even had a clue of what she wanted to potentially major in. End of Sophomore year and 'recruiting' will be allowed...
 
LadiesMan217 said:
12/13 is too young. My DD made the mistake at 12 of talking to UCLA coaches when she was on a team field trip. I want my DD to make the right choice and be happy/understand what she is committing to. At 13 she cold turkey'd and changed sports (to my pleasure) - so much can change. Just a few months ago was the first time she even had a clue of what she wanted to potentially major in. End of Sophomore year and 'recruiting' will be allowed...
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At age 8 my daughter told us where she wanted to go to school. At age 14 after visiting 2 other schools that I wanted her to see first before deciding anything she seriously considered one of them. Then the school that she wanted to go to at 8 offered. We made her sleep on it and call the coaches of the other two schools. She now attends the school that she wanted to go to at 8. Sometimes they know what they want. Our job is to help make it a reality.

Play good soccer, get great grades, work hard all of the time, and DREAM BIG!

Good luck to you and yours.
 
TCD said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/27/...ay-for-a-college-then-starting-9th-grade.html

from the article:
"Before Haley Berg was done with middle school, she had the numbers for 16 college soccer coaches programmed into the iPhone she protected with a Justin Bieber case.

She was all of 14, but Hales, as her friends call her, was already weighing offers to attend the University of Colorado, Texas A&M and the University of Texas, free of charge.

Haley is not a once-in-a-generation talent like LeBron James. She just happens to be a very good soccer player, and that is now valuable enough to set off a frenzy among college coaches, even when — or especially when — the athlete in question has not attended a day of high school. For Haley, the process ended last summer, a few weeks before ninth grade began, when she called the coach at Texas to accept her offer of a scholarship four years later."
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Zinger from this article:

“In women’s soccer, there are more scholarships than there are good players,” said Peter Albright, the coach at Richmond and a regular critic of early recruiting. “In men’s sports, it’s the opposite.”
 
NoGoal said:
Wrong, when my DD visited the University of Miami as a HS freshmen. She saw 3 girls on their recruiting board that she knew. Today those 4 girls are committed to Stanford, USC and UCLA. Bury your head in the sand all you want...they evaluate the top players at 8th grade.
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My take is college coaches do not look at 6th and 7th graders.
 
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