Youth Soccer Rankings ?

My guess is that with all of the new leagues and different scheduling programs and formats out there that it became too crazy to try and manage. I can't imagine whoever was running it was making much money off of it. When it was just ecnl, da and local leagues+gotsoccer+tcg- things were probably somewhat simple to program and was probably run as a fun hobby.
Now you need engineers from Apple to try and program an algorithm to scrape all of the various sites and give weight to which league means "Better".
 
timbuck said:
My guess is that with all of the new leagues and different scheduling programs and formats out there that it became too crazy to try and manage. I can't imagine whoever was running it was making much money off of it. When it was just ecnl, da and local leagues+gotsoccer+tcg- things were probably somewhat simple to program and was probably run as a fun hobby.
Now you need engineers from Apple to try and program an algorithm to scrape all of the various sites and give weight to which league means "Better".
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This is why I stated earlier in this thread that getting the data is always the hardest part + the processes are constantly changing/evolving.

Processing + presenting data is hard as well but you only have to do it once.
 
I pulled up my old Excel template with Solver add-on and threw in a thousand G09 ECNL games from this season. Took about 3 hours and the time consuming part was pulling ECNL results -> JSON -> CSV. I then realized that team names were different between regular season and showcase results which required more manual fixing. But wanted to show that it's possible.

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dawson said:
I’d be happy with just the historical records
of as many teams as possible across the nation. Which YSR covered significantly better then Got Soccer or any other similar organization. And since the software of YSR probably still exists where so many links to team games are already established I would hope somehow , someone will take it over and perhaps solicit ads and or charge a small fee to make it worth while and cover costs such as this forum does .
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Right - but per Mark's email (sent same one to me; odds are he's had to send it to a number of folks who got in touch with him), SportsEngine has no intention of bringing it back up, selling the rights/software, or even just giving it back to him to let him continue to run it without any of their $ or involvement. It's dead unless they change their mind - and that is only possible if enough people contacting them are able to convince SportsEngine that it's the right move to support youth soccer in general. Of course it's possible for someone to start from scratch and build up something similar - but that may be even less likely to happen, than starting with the existing YSR base that was tweaked over many years.
 
rainbow_unicorn said:
I pulled up my old Excel template with Solver add-on and threw in a thousand G09 ECNL games from this season. Took about 3 hours and the time consuming part was pulling ECNL results -> JSON -> CSV. I then realized that team names were different between regular season and showcase results which required more manual fixing. But wanted to show that it's possible.

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This is great info , thanks for sharing.
 
The domain is registered to NBC and they definitely have money to keep it up.
 

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There’s these websites where you can write a general statement and then you can create a link with that template that automatically emails with that signees information to whoever you want to petition. Is there any way we can do something like that? If so, where do we send that to?
 
I'm considering running with this. I enjoyed the site as much as anyone. Thank you Mark! As a tennis player I enjoy Universal Tennis Rating which is similar but it can be user inputted as well. I wonder if there was a way to this like a Wiki-like of Score-Posting Forum was done by teams themselves and data was then organized and than contested or verified. The scraping is the magic sauce but garbage in garbage out. One of my kids teams had 3 different teams in YSR and another team for my daughter missed half the games results. If there was a way for user input it would solve some of the issues. Clearly motivated parents would be needed to submit results.
I agree to start with CAS is the best way. Please hit me up if you have any positive input.
 
youthsoccerrankings said:
I'm considering running with this. I enjoyed the site as much as anyone. Thank you Mark! As a tennis player I enjoy Universal Tennis Rating which is similar but it can be user inputted as well. I wonder if there was a way to this like a Wiki-like of Score-Posting Forum was done by teams themselves and data was then organized and than contested or verified. The scraping is the magic sauce but garbage in garbage out. One of my kids teams had 3 different teams in YSR and another team for my daughter missed half the games results. If there was a way for user input it would solve some of the issues. Clearly motivated parents would be needed to submit results.
I agree to start with CAS is the best way. Please hit me up if you have any positive input.
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You would be surprise how many people would be willing to pay $10 to $20 a year to have access to this information.
 
youthsoccerrankings said:
I'm considering running with this. I enjoyed the site as much as anyone. Thank you Mark! As a tennis player I enjoy Universal Tennis Rating which is similar but it can be user inputted as well. I wonder if there was a way to this like a Wiki-like of Score-Posting Forum was done by teams themselves and data was then organized and than contested or verified. The scraping is the magic sauce but garbage in garbage out. One of my kids teams had 3 different teams in YSR and another team for my daughter missed half the games results. If there was a way for user input it would solve some of the issues. Clearly motivated parents would be needed to submit results.
I agree to start with CAS is the best way. Please hit me up if you have any positive input.
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Great stuff and it's a winner. I would have paid $4.95 a month for access.
 
youthsoccerrankings said:
I'm considering running with this. I enjoyed the site as much as anyone. Thank you Mark! As a tennis player I enjoy Universal Tennis Rating which is similar but it can be user inputted as well. I wonder if there was a way to this like a Wiki-like of Score-Posting Forum was done by teams themselves and data was then organized and than contested or verified. The scraping is the magic sauce but garbage in garbage out. One of my kids teams had 3 different teams in YSR and another team for my daughter missed half the games results. If there was a way for user input it would solve some of the issues. Clearly motivated parents would be needed to submit results.
I agree to start with CAS is the best way. Please hit me up if you have any positive input.
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This is brilliant, glad you thought of it. The fact is that among the top teams, it seems like there's always a parent willing to send in scores or corrections. Down in the 100+ range (and I guess maybe even for 50+) you'll likely get garbage in/garbage out for many teams, but if they don't care about an inaccurate rating for their team, why should anyone else? Obviously, perfection is the goal, but I'd say for most of the fanatics (yours truly included) the Top 100-ish being accurate would be fine
 
If you can grab data easily, use the system to create 3 things, youth soccer rankings, High School soccer rankings, and college soccer rankings. Might as well offer all three thus getting more people accessing the site. For males and females. Youth soccer went back 1.5 years, which is too long for results. I'd make it 1 year of date. You could also make it user choice and allow them to choose 3 months, 6 months, a year, etc. Lastly I'd limit the max a score difference could be and consider shutouts when considering the ranking. A 2-0 win is just as valuable as a 4-1 win, maybe more.
 
socalkdg said:
If you can grab data easily, use the system to create 3 things, youth soccer rankings, High School soccer rankings, and college soccer rankings. Might as well offer all three thus getting more people accessing the site. For males and females. Youth soccer went back 1.5 years, which is too long for results. I'd make it 1 year of date. You could also make it user choice and allow them to choose 3 months, 6 months, a year, etc. Lastly I'd limit the max a score difference could be and consider shutouts when considering the ranking. A 2-0 win is just as valuable as a 4-1 win, maybe more.
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Maxpreps already does a fairly good job of ranking high school teams, although their national rankings should be taken with a grain of salt due to the lack of interstate competition.
 
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