RJonesUSC
SILVER
Because, for some people, when the facts don't agree with their argument they feel the need to name call and shift the argument. Sad really.
Why keep arguing, NO FALL SOCCER!
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OK. If you want to use total deaths as the measure, we can do that. Using the numbers from your link above:
Total COVID deaths in Western Europe - 140,146
Total Population of Western Europe - 363,494,99
COVID deaths per million in Western Europe - 386
Total COVID deaths in USA - 197,351
Total Population of USA - 331,000,200
COVID deaths per million in USA - 596
USA has 57% more total COVID deaths per capita than Western Europe. Europe responded significantly better.
Yesterday USA had a total of 1089 deaths, while Western Europe had only 132. The gap in deaths between the two gets significantly larger daily, and each day the difference in the quality of responses between the two becomes more apparent.
Question Baller. How are the Euro's counting deaths? Whats the age of the deaths in Euro? We had huge older folks death in NY, PA, NJ and CA. I'm interested in those numbers. Any death sucks in my book and if we could all do better with how we eat and exercise, it would make a world of difference. Stay safe bro
Jose has returned
SILVER ELITE
they dont have rioters out there every week spreading it. The US death per 1 million population is behind The
UK Spain and Belgium and other South American countries.
Desert Hound
DA
Your death numbers for europe are off. Where are you getting them?
Desert Hound
DA
What countries are you leaving out is more like it!
Jose has returned
SILVER ELITE
i think he's counting the ones that fit into his math equation
@wc-baller, I’m afraid you are up against an impenetrable wall of deniers. Know that old trope of three monkeys sitting side by side? One with hands over eyes, the next with hands over ears and third with hands over mouth?
that’s the wall of ignorance and bias that you’re up against.
We are truly mired in the shit due to t not coming clean.
ps. If I get tossed for a week by @Dominic, then so be it...
that’s the wall of ignorance and bias that you’re up against.
We are truly mired in the shit due to t not coming clean.
ps. If I get tossed for a week by @Dominic, then so be it...
El Clasico
GOLD
Where are you getting your figures for the population of western europe? Which countries are you counting in your count? I think your count is waaaay off?
Jose has returned
SILVER ELITE
I don't think you should get banned but what you should do is show the numbers that back up your statement. That's where things get dicey for you.
See below. Let me know if/where I got a number wrong or if you'd like me to add another country. Happy to adjust and recalculate.
| Population | COVID deaths | deaths yesterday | Deaths per million | |
| Austria | 9006000 | 750 | 1 | |
| Belgium | 11589000 | 9917 | 5 | |
| Denmark | 5792000 | 629 | 1 | |
| Finland | 5540000 | 332 | 0 | |
| France | 65237000 | 30893 | 19 | |
| Germany | 83783000 | 9423 | 9 | |
| Greece | 10423000 | 300 | 4 | |
| Iceland | 341000 | 10 | 0 | |
| Ireland | 4937000 | 211 | 0 | |
| Liechtenstein | 38000 | 0 | 0 | |
| Luxembourg | 625000 | 71 | 0 | |
| Monaco | 39000 | 1 | 0 | |
| Netherlands | 17134000 | 6252 | 3 | |
| Norway | 5421000 | 265 | 1 | |
| Portugal | 10196000 | 1855 | 3 | |
| Spain | 46754000 | 29747 | 71 | |
| Sweden | 10099000 | 5846 | 0 | |
| Switzerland | 8654000 | 2020 | 1 | |
| United Kingdom | 67886000 | 41614 | 14 | |
363494000 | 140136 | 132 | 385.5249 |
You're probably right that it's useless to try to make a fact based argument with those types. That ignorance is the reason us Americans are unwelcome in 95% of the world as of now, and I don't blame those other countries for banning us.
Desert Hound
DA
Add in Italy for starters.
That is another 35-36k.
Brings w europe to 176k give or take.
Thanks. Anything else?
That makes Western Europe deaths per million - 414 vs. 596 USA deaths per million
USA deaths per million are 44% more than Western Europe.
1098 COVID deaths yesterday in the USA versus 142 COVID deaths in Western Europe.
| Population | COVID deaths | deaths yesterday | ||
| Austria | 9006000 | 750 | 1 | |
| Belgium | 11589000 | 9917 | 5 | |
| Denmark | 5792000 | 629 | 1 | |
| Finland | 5540000 | 332 | 0 | |
| France | 65237000 | 30893 | 19 | |
| Germany | 83783000 | 9423 | 9 | |
| Greece | 10423000 | 300 | 4 | |
| Iceland | 341000 | 10 | 0 | |
| Ireland | 4937000 | 211 | 0 | |
| Italy | 60461000 | 35597 | 10 | |
| Liechtenstein | 38000 | 0 | 0 | |
| Luxembourg | 625000 | 71 | 0 | |
| Monaco | 39000 | 1 | 0 | |
| Netherlands | 17134000 | 6252 | 3 | |
| Norway | 5421000 | 265 | 1 | |
| Portugal | 10196000 | 1855 | 3 | |
| Spain | 46754000 | 29747 | 71 | |
| Sweden | 10099000 | 5846 | 0 | |
| Switzerland | 8654000 | 2020 | 1 | |
| United Kingdom | 67886000 | 41614 | 14 | |
423955000 | 175733 | 142 | 414.5086 |
El Clasico
GOLD
Not arguing with any stats here but this is how everyone manages to find the stats that fit their own narratives. Less than half of these countries are actually in "Western Europe". Europe is, by most, broken up into four different geographical areas. North, South, West, East.
However, most northern Europeans don't consider themselves northern Europeans. Iceland considers itself Iceland, United Kingdom considers itself a closed unity, Ireland definitely considers itself a lone wolf and Denmark, Norway, Finland & Sweden tend to look at themselves as Scandinavian's. Greece is considered Southern Europe. It is interesting that whoever created your graph snuck in Greece but knew to leave out Italy?
So just for curiosity sake, only take the nine countries of "western Europe" and see if it changes the results. And then if you like add ALL countries of a combined Europe but one shouldn't hand select random countries and call it representative.
Jose has returned
SILVER ELITE
Which 9 countries? There are different lists for Western Europe. For example, the CIA list only has the following countries for Western Europe.
Belgium
France
Ireland
Luxembourg
Monaco
Netherlands
United Kingdom
More than willing to do a quick calculation if you give me the list, and happy to make corrections if anyone finds any mistakes on a calculation as I did with the last one. The initial list took me all of 5 minutes the first time, so no problem for me.