Why keep arguing, NO FALL SOCCER!

[Grace T.]

But Fauci warned that widespread distribution and getting “the majority, or more, of the population vaccinated and protected” won’t happen until perhaps the end 2021,

One of the reasons for this is the government lacks a whole lot of pressure points for forcing vaccinations (short of rounding people up on the street and dragging them into the doctor's office as Australia has floated). With right and left lining up to not take a vaccine developed by the other side, this fight is looking uglier by the day. The rationale for that date is it looks like pediatric doses won't be available until the spring at earliest (though one of the trials recently did drop enrollment as low as 16 year olds). One of the easiest and proven ways to boast immunization rates is by requiring kids to take it for school. So the pressure point is August of 2021 when it will be required for kids to return to school. Since its looking 2 doses separated by weeks are required, that's where you get the date from.

Other pressure points like going into a hospital or a nursing home might take time to build as new people gradually go into nursing homes and hospitals. Some like the military or large corps voluntarily requiring it to return to the office will help but don't make up the numbers. The kids are a quick way to get the numbers up. Some ideas being floated (like requiring proof of immunization to fly) may or may not take.

 

[watfly]

(Now waiting for your lame explanation of why statistics don’t apply to you.)

Oh but statistics, or actual data, does apply to me. Current odds of me having been in a hospital Covid positive 0.14%. Current odds of me having died Covid positive .014%. Now the virus hasn't fully cycled through, so my odds could be worse, but I also don't have 3 comorbidities so that would lower my odds significantly. Either way, no one can predict the exact odds (not even predicative statisticians), but the actual data is abundantly clear that my odds are very, very low.

 

[dad4]

Oh but statistics, or actual data, does apply to me. Current odds of me having been in a hospital Covid positive 0.14%. Current odds of me having died Covid positive .014%. Now the virus hasn't fully cycled through, so my odds could be worse, but I also don't have 3 comorbidities so that would lower my odds significantly. Either way, no one can predict the exact odds (not even predicative statisticians), but the actual data is abundantly clear that my odds are very, very low.

Sure. A healthy 45 year old person is very unlikely to die of covid. This does not mean that a healthy 45 year old person is unlikely to spread covid.

I was pointing out that certain activites, like going to churches, bars, and restaurants, make you more likely to spread covid.

Other activities, like hiking or gardening, do not make you more likely to spread covid.

You’re just choosing the activities that help make the disease worse.

 

[watfly]

Sure. A healthy 45 year old person is very unlikely to die of covid. This does not mean that a healthy 45 year old person is unlikely to spread covid.

I was pointing out that certain activites, like going to churches, bars, and restaurants, make you more likely to spread covid.

Other activities, like hiking or gardening, do not make you more likely to spread covid.

You’re just choosing the activities that help make the disease worse.

Here's the really weird thing about Covid, you actually have to have Covid to spread it.

 

[dad4]

Here's the really weird thing about Covid, you actually have to have Covid to spread it.

Do you have it?

How do you know?

 

[dad4]

One of the reasons for this is the government lacks a whole lot of pressure points for forcing vaccinations (short of rounding people up on the street and dragging them into the doctor's office as Australia has floated). With right and left lining up to not take a vaccine developed by the other side, this fight is looking uglier by the day. The rationale for that date is it looks like pediatric doses won't be available until the spring at earliest (though one of the trials recently did drop enrollment as low as 16 year olds). One of the easiest and proven ways to boast immunization rates is by requiring kids to take it for school. So the pressure point is August of 2021 when it will be required for kids to return to school. Since its looking 2 doses separated by weeks are required, that's where you get the date from.

Other pressure points like going into a hospital or a nursing home might take time to build as new people gradually go into nursing homes and hospitals. Some like the military or large corps voluntarily requiring it to return to the office will help but don't make up the numbers. The kids are a quick way to get the numbers up. Some ideas being floated (like requiring proof of immunization to fly) may or may not take.

No levers? Just require all businesses to have proof of vaccination for all employees. No vaccine cards, no business license.

Huntington Beach might throw a snit, but that doesn’t mean it’s hard to enforce.

 

[Desert Hound]

I am more interested in how he is talking late 2021 or into 2022 before we get back to a DEGREE of normality.

We we are talking more than a year from now. We have already been in groundhog day for 7 months now.

 

[Grace T.]

No levers? Just require all businesses to have proof of vaccination for all employees. No vaccine cards, no business license.

Huntington Beach might throw a snit, but that doesn’t mean it’s hard to enforce.

a) with resistance to vaccine widespread (including the recent political slants) unlikely most states will want to go about shuttering businesses that disagree (yeah maybe California/Hawaii/New York might try it but it will be ugly), b) other than the large corps (which are going to voluntarily mandate it anyways), they can't patrol people hire legal immigrants let alone whether people are vaccinated, c) Sheriff's office aren't enforcing mask mandates or gathering restrictions in SoCal that rigorously (they may break up a soccer game or 2 but they aren't rounding up people at beaches)...they are unlikely to cooperate even if they try it, and d) doesn't cover the unemployed, retirees, students, very young (hence the date...schools).

 

[Grace T.]

I am more interested in how he is talking late 2021 or into 2022 before we get back to a DEGREE of normality.

We we are talking more than a year from now. We have already been in groundhog day for 7 months now.

By then a new virus or a bad flu will have set in. Precedent set for what we did this time around. Lot's of whataboutism. The new normal. That's why even if you disagree with the PA federal courts ruling striking down perpetual restrictions, it's important for the federal courts to set the grounds rules for what happens next time.

 

[dad4]

a) with resistance to vaccine widespread (including the recent political slants) unlikely most states will want to go about shuttering businesses that disagree (yeah maybe California/Hawaii/New York might try it but it will be ugly), b) other than the large corps (which are going to voluntarily mandate it anyways), they can't patrol people hire legal immigrants let alone whether people are vaccinated, c) Sheriff's office aren't enforcing mask mandates or gathering restrictions in SoCal that rigorously (they may break up a soccer game or 2 but they aren't rounding up people at beaches)...they are unlikely to cooperate even if they try it, and d) doesn't cover the unemployed, retirees, students, very young (hence the date...schools).

Anti-vax are maybe 1/5 of the population. They win by being motivted and loud, right up until the point when they cause yet another measles outbreak.

Then the 80% says WTF??? and the law cracks down again. If anti-vax crowd try to prolong covid, the 80% will not suffer through another 6 months of shutdown just to keep some a-scientific loons happy.

 

[Grace T.]

Anti-vax are maybe 1/5 of the population. They win by being motivted and loud, right up until the point when they cause yet another measles outbreak.

Then the 80% says WTF??? and the law cracks down again. If anti-vax crowd try to prolong covid, the 80% will not suffer through another 6 months of shutdown just to keep some a-scientific loons happy.

And this was before certain individuals stuck their noses in it.....

Poll: Less than half of Americans say they'll get a coronavirus vaccine

A majority of Democrats say they would get a government-approved vaccine, compared to just 36 percent of Republicans, according to the NBC News|SurveyMonkey Weekly Tracking Poll.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Soccerhelper]

I just want to say thank you to everyone on here. I know we all dont agree and we all come from different back grounds, colors and experiences. It's been great having civil discussions with you all. Peace!!!

 

[lafalafa]

And this was before certain individuals stuck their noses in it.....

Poll: Less than half of Americans say they'll get a coronavirus vaccine

A majority of Democrats say they would get a government-approved vaccine, compared to just 36 percent of Republicans, according to the NBC News|SurveyMonkey Weekly Tracking Poll.

www.nbcnews.com

Fewer than half of all people get a flu vaccine each year:

CDC: Fewer than half of Americans get flu vaccine

Despite awareness campaigns and publicized risks, fewer than half of all Americans were vaccinated for the flu last season, according to findings from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

thenationshealth.aphapublications.org

With Covid-19 will that number go up or down? People are afraid of it so I think it's going to be less initially and will take years to get enough people to get vaccinated for it to really make a big difference.

We need to find ways to live and manage just like we do with season flu, it's not going away so let's get on with it and live life.

Soccer leagues starting in Nov now so let's hope that sticks and the guidelines get updated on oct for scrimmages.

 

[dad4]

Fewer than half of all people get a flu vaccine each year:

CDC: Fewer than half of Americans get flu vaccine

Despite awareness campaigns and publicized risks, fewer than half of all Americans were vaccinated for the flu last season, according to findings from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

thenationshealth.aphapublications.org

Soccer leagues starting in Nov now so let's hope that sticks and the guidelines get updated on oct for scrimmages.

Which leagues, and which states/counties? Do we have state/county approval, or are we still just hoping?

 

[kickingandscreaming]

And this was before certain individuals stuck their noses in it.....

Poll: Less than half of Americans say they'll get a coronavirus vaccine

A majority of Democrats say they would get a government-approved vaccine, compared to just 36 percent of Republicans, according to the NBC News|SurveyMonkey Weekly Tracking Poll.

www.nbcnews.com

I see some states (TX, FL, AZ) giving everyone the opportunity to get the vaccine, and once that time has passed, they will open up rather quickly - possibly in steps - to fully open. Currently, in CA I don't see a strong will to enforce much of anything on individuals and there will be dwindling public support for restrictions if the only reason we aren't opening up is that some people are refusing the vaccine. I don't necessarily think it will get ugly, I just think people will start ignoring the restrictions and the restrictions won't be enforced. The places I'd worry about most if this happens are those places that have had relatively few cases. HI and NM really needs vaccine compliance or they will run the risk of a big spike in cases.

 

[Grace T.]

San Diego is about to fall back in the purple. IIRC correctly yesterday their case count came in at 7.9 and they need to be under 7. IIUC its being driven by an outbreak at SDSU-- 22 positive cases yesterday. The way the math works, unless the next week comes radically under, San Diego will be in the purple. This has a few implications: 1. it shows how darn sensitive and near impossible the CA color scheme is....if you have the basic community spread and then even a low level event like SDSU or the VC jail outbreak you'll be tipped back over and everything closes. Cases (particularly in the north of the state) will rise in flu season even if they can start to roll out a vaccine in December. 2. So much for San Diego schools, going to school then closing them again constantly is going to be really disruptive for kids including mentally and emotionally 3. Some businesses are already talking about defying the order...say they can't operate constantly pingponging from restrictions to no restrictions. 4. Nail in the coffin for the soccer season if it happens. SD has been the ones pushing for reopening the hardest. If they get purpled I can't imagine the health authorities say just say "Oh o.k. go ahead and have a full contact sport in a county we just closed back up"

 

[Soccerhelper]

The players on the USC football team released a letter Tuesday asking for California Gov. Gavin Newsom to allow them to return to the practice field. College football teams in California have been barred from returning to full-contact practices due to the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic that has affected the country. Let’s find a way to say ‘yes!’ Please let us play.” Trojan players. Pretty, pretty please with sugar on top............

City of Anaheim calls on Newsom to reopen Disneyland after $100 million budget shortfall

Dad from OC, "Please, please and extra pretty please allow the kids to plays sports. Please dont tease the kids with stupid colors and BS!!!!"

 

[Soccerhelper]

I hope everyone has a, "Wonderful Wednesday" today. Remember the Three Ws of life.

1) Wake Up
2) Work
3) Win

When you get older, you live the three Rs

1) Rest
2) Relax
3) Reward

P.S. I hear vaccine might be on its way and I hear it will be FREE!!!!!. It would be cool to make soccer free for young kids under 8. Local rec leagues in every city. Kids need to be outside. Isolation=depression imo..........

 

[Soccerhelper]

Hello???? Anyone home? Let's get the games going for the kids. Isolation is evil!!!! Please, please let the kids play. Big Ten is on. It's a miracle!!!

Big Ten announces return of 2020 college football season, after postponing due to coronavirus
The season will begin on the weekend of Oct. 23-24

"Our goal has always been to return to competition so all student-athletes can realize their dream of competing in the sports they love. We are incredibly grateful for the collaborative work that our Return to Competition Task Force have accomplished to ensure the health, safety and wellness of student-athletes, coaches and administrators.”

 

[Desert Hound]

o much for San Diego schools, going to school then closing them again constantly is going to be really disruptive for kids including mentally and emotionally 3. Some businesses are already talking about defying the order...say they can't operate constantly pingponging from restrictions to no restrictions.

At some point people are going to wake up and realize we are going to have to live with this. It is not going away, nor is it going away anytime soon.

As Fauci said we are looking at end of 2021 or early 2022 before we might get close to normal again according to what they want to do.

We are moving into fall and flu season and likely covid comes back again. Based on the way CA and a lot of states want to do things, that means increasing restrictions again.

School on and off
Biz some open (partially), some not allowed
Etc

We cannot continue on like this.

 

[Anon9]

Sorry nobody’s home. In a couple hours after your sugar rush is over you’ll be posting that you follow all the rules and whatever the governor and the science says, they are doing it to protect us. We’ve heard it all from you.