What's your best guess as to when trainings will resume?

Agree but it's still an incredibly stupid thing for teams to be organizing practices, without permits, without insurance, in violation of state orders, without the sanction of CalSouth. I'm not saying I agree with the policy, but as a practical matter an organized team practice, regardless of whether you think it has an epidemic danger, is just stupid for other reasons (ban from future permits and fines, no coverage if injury, legal citiations, and a ban on play by CalSouth) and if they have their kids wearing the team shirt and some Karen identifies them, there will be consequences. PT is one thing...each trainer and parent needs to make their own risk assessment given the circumstances, but it's not as reckless as a team practicing. And if, God forbid, some kid does come down with it in practice or gets injured without insurance or the team gets identified by a Karen, the media's going to jump all over it and there goes soccer for a little longer for everyone else.

Dr. Gupta wrote an interesting essay that was just released. I wish every teacher would either read it to their students or have the students read it for homework. Very well written and explains in fairly simple terms about viruses. Actually, I think some adults would benefit from reading it. It is not political for those of you ready to jump on it thinking that is what it is.
 
Agree but it's still an incredibly stupid thing for teams to be organizing practices, without permits, without insurance, in violation of state orders, without the sanction of CalSouth. I'm not saying I agree with the policy, but as a practical matter an organized team practice, regardless of whether you think it has an epidemic danger, is just stupid for other reasons (ban from future permits and fines, no coverage if injury, legal citiations, and a ban on play by CalSouth) and if they have their kids wearing the team shirt and some Karen identifies them, there will be consequences. PT is one thing...each trainer and parent needs to make their own risk assessment given the circumstances, but it's not as reckless as a team practicing. And if, God forbid, some kid does come down with it in practice or gets injured without insurance or the team gets identified by a Karen, the media's going to jump all over it and there goes soccer for a little longer for everyone else.
As someone who in the risk mitigation business, I wholeheartedly agree with your point. My point is that the governor will have to move to open up more quickly than he may like.
 
Dr. Gupta wrote an interesting essay that was just released. I wish every teacher would either read it to their students or have the students read it for homework. Very well written and explains in fairly simple terms about viruses. Actually, I think some adults would benefit from reading it. It is not political for those of you ready to jump on it thinking that is what it is.
The parents that want their children to participate can sign waivers, the ones that want to stay home they can.
You can't lock people up until they find a cure. They are fighting an uphill battle against human nature. You have to reopen, people must wear masks and obey the social distancing, but you can't lock people in their homes and prevent kids from playing sports. Life happens, viruses are part of life. Eventually people need get immunity from this virus. Nature will take care of itself. No more lockdowns !!
 
Agree but it's still an incredibly stupid thing for teams to be organizing practices, without permits, without insurance, in violation of state orders, without the sanction of CalSouth. I'm not saying I agree with the policy, but as a practical matter an organized team practice, regardless of whether you think it has an epidemic danger, is just stupid for other reasons (ban from future permits and fines, no coverage if injury, legal citiations, and a ban on play by CalSouth) and if they have their kids wearing the team shirt and some Karen identifies them, there will be consequences. PT is one thing...each trainer and parent needs to make their own risk assessment given the circumstances, but it's not as reckless as a team practicing. And if, God forbid, some kid does come down with it in practice or gets injured without insurance or the team gets identified by a Karen, the media's going to jump all over it and there goes soccer for a little longer for everyone else.
I have my kids wear the jerseys from the old clubs we have left for their private trainings just in case anyone drives by then their old clubs will get in trouble and not the new ones.
 
The parents that want their children to participate can sign waivers, the ones that want to stay home they can.
You can't lock people up until they find a cure. They are fighting an uphill battle against human nature. You have to reopen, people must wear masks and obey the social distancing, but you can't lock people in their homes and prevent kids from playing sports. Life happens, viruses are part of life. Eventually people need get immunity from this virus. Nature will take care of itself. No more lockdowns !!

No one is locking you up.

Though, with 1000 new cases per day in LA, you might want to limit the “I can do whatever I want“ impulses. I agree that you can probably raise that to 10,000 per day if you all keep at it. I just don’t see why you want to.
 
No one is locking you up.

Though, with 1000 new cases per day in LA, you might want to limit the “I can do whatever I want“ impulses. I agree that you can probably raise that to 10,000 per day if you all keep at it. I just don’t see why you want to.
All we can do is to do the protocols and wear a mask. We can't worry so much about dying that we commit suicide to prevent death.
 
All we can do is to do the protocols and wear a mask. We can't worry so much about dying that we commit suicide to prevent death.


Practicing social-distancing and waiting another 4-5 weeks to participate in teams sports, go to movies, and eat at restaurants does not amount to "committing suicide". On the other hand, being an ER doctor or nurse in a place where people place their own self-important needs over the health of the community is much more akin to suicide.
 
Practicing social-distancing and waiting another 4-5 weeks to participate in teams sports, go to movies, and eat at restaurants does not amount to "committing suicide". On the other hand, being an ER doctor or nurse in a place where people place their own self-important needs over the health of the community is much more akin to suicide.
Like feeding and housing their families or keeping their small business afloat? Stay in your house and hide.
 
Like feeding and housing their families or keeping their small business afloat? Stay in your house and hide.
Most of the shelter in place violations seem to be social, not economic.

If you make less than 50K per year and are cutting lawns on the side to get enough money for food, I’m in no spot to criticize. Best of luck and I hope your family is safe.

If you are one of the ones hiring in-person private trainers and hosting small parties every weekend, then your actions have absolutely nothing to do with “putting food on the table.“ Call it what it is.

The people hosting parties do it because they want parties. And they value the party more than they value reducing disease transmission.

The people hiring in-person trainers do it because they want their kid to win. If the goal is to help the coach, schedule a zoom training and pay him the in person rate.
 
Most of the shelter in place violations seem to be social, not economic.

If you make less than 50K per year and are cutting lawns on the side to get enough money for food, I’m in no spot to criticize. Best of luck and I hope your family is safe.

If you are one of the ones hiring in-person private trainers and hosting small parties every weekend, then your actions have absolutely nothing to do with “putting food on the table.“ Call it what it is.

The people hosting parties do it because they want parties. And they value the party more than they value reducing disease transmission.

The people hiring in-person trainers do it because they want their kid to win. If the goal is to help the coach, schedule a zoom training and pay him the in person rate.
Agreed. I'm not really understanding the people who don't want to follow social distancing (wear a mask, stay six feet apart). I'm not saying shut the economy down, just practice safe interactions. Why wouldn't you want to slow the spread? The faster we slow this thing down the faster we can get on with our lives, and get the kids back on the fields. Not practicing social distancing will just delay everything
 
I saw a team of 6 girls
Agreed. I'm not really understanding the people who don't want to follow social distancing (wear a mask, stay six feet apart). I'm not saying shut the economy down, just practice safe interactions. Why wouldn't you want to slow the spread? The faster we slow this thing down the faster we can get on with our lives, and get the kids back on the fields. Not practicing social distancing will just delay everything
Mask are a big waste of time and no one in OC under 18 has died!!! No one is making us wear them now. I still get some dirty looks from people driving with their mask on and gloves on in the car. I laugh at them and they get all mad.....lol!!!!
 
I saw a team of 6 girls

Mask are a big waste of time and no one in OC under 18 has died!!! No one is making us wear them now. I still get some dirty looks from people driving with their mask on and gloves on in the car. I laugh at them and they get all mad.....lol!!!!
Yes, nobody under the age of 18 has died, but they are spreading the virus to others who can die. The more virus and the more deaths there are the longer it will take to reopen. Masks help stop the spread!!! Why would you want to spread this virus to others who are at risk, just because you're not? That's what I'm having a hard time understanding, and quite frankly feel is very selfish
 
Yes, nobody under the age of 18 has died, but they are spreading the virus to others who can die. The more virus and the more deaths there are the longer it will take to reopen. Masks help stop the spread!!! Why would you want to spread this virus to others who are at risk, just because you're not? That's what I'm having a hard time understanding, and quite frankly feel is very selfish
Please share the death that happen in OC from a little stinker bug giving the virus to old person and they died?
 
I don't live in Orange County, and I'm not a professional Covid tracer so I cannot give you a specific case. HOWEVER, my son gave it to my husband who could have easily given it to a number of people (we knew many sick and one death). So as an example for your scenario: stinker #1 goes to soccer practice for team of 12 girls without symptoms but has the virus. Stinker #1 transmits to six other stinkers who in turn transmit to their parents. Their parents on turn transmit to grandparents and coworkers. Grandparents and coworkers may have underlying conditions or are of old age. They end up in the hospital and die. We don't have 90k deaths in the US for no reason! That's just how a virus works! It's BASIC COMMON SENSE!!!
 
I don't live in Orange County, and I'm not a professional Covid tracer so I cannot give you a specific case. HOWEVER, my son gave it to my husband who could have easily given it to a number of people (we knew many sick and one death). So as an example for your scenario: stinker #1 goes to soccer practice for team of 12 girls without symptoms but has the virus. Stinker #1 transmits to six other stinkers who in turn transmit to their parents. Their parents on turn transmit to grandparents and coworkers. Grandparents and coworkers may have underlying conditions or are of old age. They end up in the hospital and die. We don't have 90k deaths in the US for no reason! That's just how a virus works! It's BASIC COMMON SENSE!!!
Do you know that common sense shows that 7500 deaths occur daily in America? The peak death week with the China Virus is approximately 14k-15k/or just above 2k daily.
 
I don't live in Orange County, and I'm not a professional Covid tracer so I cannot give you a specific case. HOWEVER, my son gave it to my husband who could have easily given it to a number of people (we knew many sick and one death). So as an example for your scenario: stinker #1 goes to soccer practice for team of 12 girls without symptoms but has the virus. Stinker #1 transmits to six other stinkers who in turn transmit to their parents. Their parents on turn transmit to grandparents and coworkers. Grandparents and coworkers may have underlying conditions or are of old age. They end up in the hospital and die. We don't have 90k deaths in the US for no reason! That's just how a virus works! It's BASIC COMMON SENSE!!!
GK Mom, we can;t live like this. I already told everyone here my partner got sick for 10 days up in Kirkland WA in early Jan. I visited him Jan 21st and 22nd and went to Pikes with no mask or gloves and touched Amazon and Starbucks all days. I licked my fingers too after eating chocolate cookies from Pikes. The plane I went back on was 90% sick. It was crazy. I got home and guess what? I got___________________virus for at least 4 days. Gnarly aches and pains and I felt like crap. I was a zombie and it felt like pins and needles in my blood. Tough to breath and I was depressed. I hate being sick. My wife got it for 6 hours and then was ok. Vegans!!!!
 
You guys are over analyzing this. The only way to deal with this virus, short of a vaccine, is to get the antibodies for it by getting it. I don't think you can sugar code this. In the mean time, we obviously need to wear the mask and do social distancing but this virus needs to spread, hopefully slowly, in order to provide the immunity. Just like an earthquake, you deal with it as best as you can but you can't stop it.
Two months of lockdown didn't help much. Another 6 months won't help either.
 
I'm very curious which mask help stop the spread? Not many people I know wearing N95 masks and change them on a regular basis.
To protect the wearer, it is hard. Don't bother unless you are particularly at risk.

To protect others, any cloth mask will do, so long as it slows your outgoing breath. A bandana is fine. Web search for made in usa cloth masks brings up some nice ones.
 
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