I'm not going to judge a group of strangers without any factual evidence. I think you're better than that too.
What's your best guess as to when trainings will resume?
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SoccerGuru
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So does this mean they will now allow teams to practice?
Josh vinck
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I am not judging a group of strangers about what they feel the need to protest. I agree that people should be policed based on their conduct and not their color and that the point being made is a compelling one. The issue here is that public health authorities have affirmatively stated that the subject matter of the current protests is so compelling and its influence on public health by ending police brutality so immediately critical that it justifies an exception to public health orders against mass gatherings. As though a communicable disease cares what the mass gathering has assembled to discuss. This is the absolute zenith of made up nonsense. The governor of New Jersey just said that protesting when a nail salon is permitted to open is just not the same as protesting racial injustice and therefore the public health argument does not apply. Somehow I expect the 40 million who lost their jobs and the business owners whose life savings are gone feel like their concern is legitimate, too. A public health official who says that whether a group may or may not gather in light of the risk of a communicable disease turns on what they are there to discuss and whether that health official agrees with the topic is outrageous and tyrannical. The governor of Michigan threatened people protesting an act of government with which they disagreed with incarceration and an extension of the shut in order. She was protesting this week inside the 6 feet distancing requirement her office has mandated to the public. And if people can't recognize the problem with permitting protests of some acts of government and not others based on whether the official at issue does or does not agree with the protesters' objection, they are lying or irredeemably stupid. We are not talking about an important thing and a nonsense thing. We are talking about two hugely important things. Shutting down the country cost $6 trillion, 40 million jobs, who knows how may beaten children, suicides, divorces, murders, missed funerals, missed dying moments and births, untold carnage. But that is not sufficiently compelling that citizens are permitted to object? There is exactly no remaining credibility with these shut down orders in any locality where these protests are being permitted. None at all.
Bad news for youth sports in California. This is today's public health release and guidelines updating what sectors can now open.
https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/OPA/Pages/NR20-113.aspx
There are guidelines for camps, schools, film industry, casinos, zoos, aquariums, hotels, campgrounds, and fitness facilities.
Nothing specific on youth sports. On the document link under guidelines for fitness facilities on pages 2-3 it states ( I bolded the info on sports) :
This document provides guidance for fitness facilities to support a safe, clean environment for workers. NOTE: Fitness facilities with playgrounds should keep those areas closed until such facilities are allowed to resume modified or full operation. When allowed to reopen to modified or full operation, refer to guidance on the COVID-19 Resilience Roadmap website. This guidance does not apply to day care or child care services, youth camps, team or contact sports, school and educational activities, and other public gatherings. For guidance on summer camps, outdoor recreation, and child care, refer to the guidance on the COVID-19 Resilience Roadmap website. Most organized activities and sports such as basketball, baseball, soccer, and football that are held on park fields, open areas, and courts are not permitted to the extent that they require coaches and athletes who are not from the same household or living unit to be in close proximity, which increases their potential for exposure to COVID-19. Members of the same household may engage in such activities and sports together.
All I can say is unbelievable!
https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/OPA/Pages/NR20-113.aspx
There are guidelines for camps, schools, film industry, casinos, zoos, aquariums, hotels, campgrounds, and fitness facilities.
Nothing specific on youth sports. On the document link under guidelines for fitness facilities on pages 2-3 it states ( I bolded the info on sports) :
This document provides guidance for fitness facilities to support a safe, clean environment for workers. NOTE: Fitness facilities with playgrounds should keep those areas closed until such facilities are allowed to resume modified or full operation. When allowed to reopen to modified or full operation, refer to guidance on the COVID-19 Resilience Roadmap website. This guidance does not apply to day care or child care services, youth camps, team or contact sports, school and educational activities, and other public gatherings. For guidance on summer camps, outdoor recreation, and child care, refer to the guidance on the COVID-19 Resilience Roadmap website. Most organized activities and sports such as basketball, baseball, soccer, and football that are held on park fields, open areas, and courts are not permitted to the extent that they require coaches and athletes who are not from the same household or living unit to be in close proximity, which increases their potential for exposure to COVID-19. Members of the same household may engage in such activities and sports together.
All I can say is unbelievable!
Really?? I guess you have not watched olders play.
San Diego County announced youth sports is approved under the day camp category
One supervisor did. I hope it stands and SD Public Health agrees. Here is Ventura County's opinion from their facebook page:
Josh vinck
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Obviously why Cal South called their phase 1 “soccer camps”.
Messi>CR7
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From San Diego Union Tribune
By MARK ZEIGLER
JUNE 5, 2020
7:14 PM
Gov. Gavin Newsom did not issue guidance on the resumption of youth sports in California, nor did he grant a direct request by the San Diego County Board of Supervisors earlier this week to allow kids to return to gyms, fields and pools immediately.
But he did issue guidance on day camps late Friday afternoon, and Supervisor Kristin Gaspar thinks that’s broad enough to encompass most youth sports organizations in groups of 12 athletes plus a coach.
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All you have to do is read things with your heart, and not with you eyes.
So you don't think it will stick?From San Diego Union Tribune
By MARK ZEIGLER
JUNE 5, 2020
7:14 PM
Gov. Gavin Newsom did not issue guidance on the resumption of youth sports in California, nor did he grant a direct request by the San Diego County Board of Supervisors earlier this week to allow kids to return to gyms, fields and pools immediately.
But he did issue guidance on day camps late Friday afternoon, and Supervisor Kristin Gaspar thinks that’s broad enough to encompass most youth sports organizations in groups of 12 athletes plus a coach.
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All you have to do is read things with your heart, and not with you eyes.
UPDATED: CALIFORNIA ALLOWS YOUTH SOCCER CAMPS, PROTOCOLS FOR SAN DIEGO • SoccerToday
SoccerToday - Voice of American Soccer
www.soccertoday.com
So where is the cost/benefit analysis for kids that shows obesity leads to loss of 8-14 years of a persons life for the 20-30% of youths that are already there and will increase compared to the infinitely very small percentage chance a child would die by getting coronavirus.
UPDATED: CALIFORNIA ALLOWS YOUTH SOCCER CAMPS, PROTOCOLS FOR SAN DIEGO • SoccerToday
SoccerToday - Voice of American Soccer
Oh so day camps with up to 12 players can start 6/12.
Better than nothing I guess if they kids can attend during the day, coaches, fields can be found?
Practice is normally in the evening. The amount of fields, space, distance required for groups of 12 during the day with all the regs won't be cheap that's for sure.
Stick what? Camps now have some guidance, the country can now decide they when & how if they meet the metics.
Surprised to see that from Cal South.
End around or short cycling things by including camps as phase 1 is a bit questionable to fit whos timelines & $$$ efforts?
Yeah, the timelines are shortened too from those recommendations put out by US Soccer so that lo and behold we can get to a restricted tournament situation by August. Makes me go....hmmmmmmmmmmm.
p.s. don't really care, if it gets the kids on the soccer fields sooner have at it.
As to the rules themselves released by CalSouth some observations:
-The passing rule is a little bit silly. Can't touch any part of the body other than feet. With the smaller children, if it's not passed properly or goes into some scrub, they are going to handle the ball. For the olders, what if it's hit into the air? Seems like an impossible rule to enforce and one which will be quickly broken and/or falls into the "aspirational" category
-I didn't see them mentioning shooting in phase 1 but they do specifically call out no throw ins, headers, touching other balls with their hands. Presumably that means you can shoot into an empty net if players retrieve their own balls but no goalkeepers.
-Goalkeeper training is pretty much impossible at these "camps" if you can't touch the ball. Hopefully phase 1 is short though and the kids need to get back into conditioning anyway if they haven't been doing GK training during the lockdown.
-Funny how they seemed to back away with that 13.1 rule about parents being present. Wonder how that got inserted. Probably an interesting story.
-Cattle call tryouts aren't possible until phase 3 and even then you'd have to get around the field limitation numbers. To the extent there are tryouts, it will be by invitation only (and then only to the extent you don't exceed the maximum pod number set by the county). Impossible to try out a goalkeeper in phase 1.
-The passing rule is a little bit silly. Can't touch any part of the body other than feet. With the smaller children, if it's not passed properly or goes into some scrub, they are going to handle the ball. For the olders, what if it's hit into the air? Seems like an impossible rule to enforce and one which will be quickly broken and/or falls into the "aspirational" category
-I didn't see them mentioning shooting in phase 1 but they do specifically call out no throw ins, headers, touching other balls with their hands. Presumably that means you can shoot into an empty net if players retrieve their own balls but no goalkeepers.
-Goalkeeper training is pretty much impossible at these "camps" if you can't touch the ball. Hopefully phase 1 is short though and the kids need to get back into conditioning anyway if they haven't been doing GK training during the lockdown.
-Funny how they seemed to back away with that 13.1 rule about parents being present. Wonder how that got inserted. Probably an interesting story.
-Cattle call tryouts aren't possible until phase 3 and even then you'd have to get around the field limitation numbers. To the extent there are tryouts, it will be by invitation only (and then only to the extent you don't exceed the maximum pod number set by the county). Impossible to try out a goalkeeper in phase 1.