Even without the influence of lobbying, there's typically a cost-benefit analysis applied to all public health judgments. Certain activities are considered worth the risks posed to societal health resources, others are not. That can definitely involve a political judgment about what's worth the risk and what isn't, but it doesn't mean that the health risk side of the equation doesn't involve science. It just means someone considers the other side of the equation (economic cost, constitutional rights, political costs, etc) to be worth more than the marginal cost of increased risk of transmission.
What's your best guess as to when trainings will resume?
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Even without the influence of lobbying, there's typically a cost-benefit analysis applied to all public health judgments. Certain activities are considered worth the risks posed to societal health resources, others are not. That can definitely involve a political judgment about what's worth the risk and what isn't, but it doesn't mean that the health risk side of the equation doesn't involve science. It just means someone considers the other side of the equation (economic cost, constitutional rights, political costs, etc) to be worth more than the marginal cost of increased risk of transmission.
Agree, but let’s not turn the whole site into good news thread.Oh and if the above didn't give you a chuckle....read what supposed "health experts" had to say about the protests and why protesting is OK during the covid situation.
Science. Get it while you can. Changes apparently for some based on politics. Follow the link below and you can see the letter and the names of the smart people who advocate for this.
"More than a thousand public health experts signed an open letter specifically stating that "we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission. We support them as vital to the national public health and to the threatened health specifically of Black people in the United States."
Public Health Experts Have Undermined Their Own Case for the COVID-19 Lockdowns
In theory, the mass protests following the alleged murder of George Floyd put public health officials who have ceaselessly inveighed against massreason.com
Hope we get back to playing soon.
Makes sense as Memorial Day was almost 2 weeks ago and there were plenty of crowds.
Chalklines
GOLD
you understand most are wearing masks to HIDE their faces not to stop the spread......right?
Desert Hound
DA
That is actually the point.
The protests/riots are the groups this gov entity panders to.
If they were concerned about the virus per say, whether or not it was their political constituency, the health risks would dictate not doing it according to what they have been telling everyone else.
If it were the science they tell us, then by definition they would not allow protests.
And that is the problem. Their support of social distancing depends on politics.
Desert Hound
DA
Do you just hunt out my threads to comment on
At least you are always friendly and never call me names. I appreciate that. Greatly.
Messi>CR7
GOLD
The fact that we're always at the mercy of people who control the availability of the fields is just another reminder that youth soccer in US is way too organized. Kids have been playing pick-up basketball at my local elementary school with friends for weeks now. US Soccer, MLS, or whoever feels it's important for US to excel in soccer needs to invest money to turn one of the basketball courts at every elementary school into a simple, concrete futsal court.
I imagine if there is a futsal court in every neighborhood where kids can just show up and play pick-up, many of us would not care when organized soccer returns.
I imagine if there is a futsal court in every neighborhood where kids can just show up and play pick-up, many of us would not care when organized soccer returns.
Cal South return to play plan posted:
I'm not going to judge a group of strangers without any factual evidence. I think you're better than that too.
SoccerGuru
SILVER ELITE
So does this mean they will now allow teams to practice?
Josh vinck
BRONZE
I am not judging a group of strangers about what they feel the need to protest. I agree that people should be policed based on their conduct and not their color and that the point being made is a compelling one. The issue here is that public health authorities have affirmatively stated that the subject matter of the current protests is so compelling and its influence on public health by ending police brutality so immediately critical that it justifies an exception to public health orders against mass gatherings. As though a communicable disease cares what the mass gathering has assembled to discuss. This is the absolute zenith of made up nonsense. The governor of New Jersey just said that protesting when a nail salon is permitted to open is just not the same as protesting racial injustice and therefore the public health argument does not apply. Somehow I expect the 40 million who lost their jobs and the business owners whose life savings are gone feel like their concern is legitimate, too. A public health official who says that whether a group may or may not gather in light of the risk of a communicable disease turns on what they are there to discuss and whether that health official agrees with the topic is outrageous and tyrannical. The governor of Michigan threatened people protesting an act of government with which they disagreed with incarceration and an extension of the shut in order. She was protesting this week inside the 6 feet distancing requirement her office has mandated to the public. And if people can't recognize the problem with permitting protests of some acts of government and not others based on whether the official at issue does or does not agree with the protesters' objection, they are lying or irredeemably stupid. We are not talking about an important thing and a nonsense thing. We are talking about two hugely important things. Shutting down the country cost $6 trillion, 40 million jobs, who knows how may beaten children, suicides, divorces, murders, missed funerals, missed dying moments and births, untold carnage. But that is not sufficiently compelling that citizens are permitted to object? There is exactly no remaining credibility with these shut down orders in any locality where these protests are being permitted. None at all.
Bad news for youth sports in California. This is today's public health release and guidelines updating what sectors can now open.
https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/OPA/Pages/NR20-113.aspx
There are guidelines for camps, schools, film industry, casinos, zoos, aquariums, hotels, campgrounds, and fitness facilities.
Nothing specific on youth sports. On the document link under guidelines for fitness facilities on pages 2-3 it states ( I bolded the info on sports) :
This document provides guidance for fitness facilities to support a safe, clean environment for workers. NOTE: Fitness facilities with playgrounds should keep those areas closed until such facilities are allowed to resume modified or full operation. When allowed to reopen to modified or full operation, refer to guidance on the COVID-19 Resilience Roadmap website. This guidance does not apply to day care or child care services, youth camps, team or contact sports, school and educational activities, and other public gatherings. For guidance on summer camps, outdoor recreation, and child care, refer to the guidance on the COVID-19 Resilience Roadmap website. Most organized activities and sports such as basketball, baseball, soccer, and football that are held on park fields, open areas, and courts are not permitted to the extent that they require coaches and athletes who are not from the same household or living unit to be in close proximity, which increases their potential for exposure to COVID-19. Members of the same household may engage in such activities and sports together.
All I can say is unbelievable!
https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/OPA/Pages/NR20-113.aspx
There are guidelines for camps, schools, film industry, casinos, zoos, aquariums, hotels, campgrounds, and fitness facilities.
Nothing specific on youth sports. On the document link under guidelines for fitness facilities on pages 2-3 it states ( I bolded the info on sports) :
This document provides guidance for fitness facilities to support a safe, clean environment for workers. NOTE: Fitness facilities with playgrounds should keep those areas closed until such facilities are allowed to resume modified or full operation. When allowed to reopen to modified or full operation, refer to guidance on the COVID-19 Resilience Roadmap website. This guidance does not apply to day care or child care services, youth camps, team or contact sports, school and educational activities, and other public gatherings. For guidance on summer camps, outdoor recreation, and child care, refer to the guidance on the COVID-19 Resilience Roadmap website. Most organized activities and sports such as basketball, baseball, soccer, and football that are held on park fields, open areas, and courts are not permitted to the extent that they require coaches and athletes who are not from the same household or living unit to be in close proximity, which increases their potential for exposure to COVID-19. Members of the same household may engage in such activities and sports together.
All I can say is unbelievable!
Really?? I guess you have not watched olders play.
San Diego County announced youth sports is approved under the day camp category
One supervisor did. I hope it stands and SD Public Health agrees. Here is Ventura County's opinion from their facebook page:
Josh vinck
BRONZE
Obviously why Cal South called their phase 1 “soccer camps”.
Messi>CR7
GOLD
From San Diego Union Tribune
By MARK ZEIGLER
JUNE 5, 2020
7:14 PM
Gov. Gavin Newsom did not issue guidance on the resumption of youth sports in California, nor did he grant a direct request by the San Diego County Board of Supervisors earlier this week to allow kids to return to gyms, fields and pools immediately.
But he did issue guidance on day camps late Friday afternoon, and Supervisor Kristin Gaspar thinks that’s broad enough to encompass most youth sports organizations in groups of 12 athletes plus a coach.
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So you don't think it will stick?From San Diego Union Tribune
By MARK ZEIGLER
JUNE 5, 2020
7:14 PM
Gov. Gavin Newsom did not issue guidance on the resumption of youth sports in California, nor did he grant a direct request by the San Diego County Board of Supervisors earlier this week to allow kids to return to gyms, fields and pools immediately.
But he did issue guidance on day camps late Friday afternoon, and Supervisor Kristin Gaspar thinks that’s broad enough to encompass most youth sports organizations in groups of 12 athletes plus a coach.
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All you have to do is read things with your heart, and not with you eyes.