EvilGoalie 21
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Funny how in two tweets it goes from "quasi-experimental" to "study".
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EvilGoalie 21
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WTF?
EvilGoalie 21
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It was posted on this very thread several times.
EvilGoalie 21
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But why not one more? Here's the bend that vaxx or boost put on omicron as it went through LA. Solid line, no vaxx. Thick dash, 2X. Thin dash, boost. Very similar to what was seen in NYC or UK. There's some antigenic drift, sure. But not the "immune escape" that was the initial worry with omicron. Let's hope there's no more waves before Cov2 goes into hiding for a bit. The more waves, the more likely we are to see selection for real immune escape. That would suck. Source: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7105e1.htm
Hüsker Dü
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Would that be those that dribble around with misinformation or the one that slam dunks the truth on them?
Hüsker Dü
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Do they not show these things on newswax, oan or faux? Does the infowars guy talk about it in between selling male enhancement supplements?
GoldenGate
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And your life is to hang out at a youth soccer forum misrepresenting what medical studies say. And constantly whining about how your children are so mentally feeble that wearing a mask at school is likely to cause them to slash their wrists? Do you think your children's emotional fragility is genetic or learned behavior?
Man, what's in your water up north? Is some of that Humboldt salad leeching into your drinking water? Can you bottle some of that up and send it south, we get that nasty Colorado River water here in San Diego.
We send it south in vape canisters, but I don’t recommend drinking it.
More seriously, there is no scientific support for transmission equality between vaccinated and unvaccinated people. A few loons here keep raising their talking points, and keep getting rebutted.
It’s the same thing every time. An anti-vax person will say “but viral loads are equal if you get it”, never once remembering that a vaccinated person is less likely to get covid in the first place. (Evil Goalie’s chart in post 13,6745, among others.)
At some point, you stop trying logic and just reach for the popcorn while eotl calls everyone a dumbshit.
I will just say this. It's hard not to trust our eyes. At least with Omicron the vaccination seems to provide very little protection. I tested positive on a Monday night after starting to not feel well that afternoon. I had a work meeting in the morning with 6 other colleagues for about an hour, (indoors but actually spaced far apart). 5 of my 6 colleagues got Covid within 2 to 10 days. The only colleague that didn't get it had it over Xmas. Every colleague that got it gave it to their spouse, including myself. BTW I quarantined in a different location from my family as soon as I was positive. My spouse may have not got it from me, but where I suspect I got from, a HS basketball game. Every person that got it was vaccinated and boosted with the exception of my wife and I who were not boosted. None of any of my colleagues kids got infected, some were vaccinated, some were not.
The vaccination may provide some limited protection against infection, but it doesn't provide any meaningful protection against community spread. To say otherwise is to completely ignore reality. Vaccination does appear to provide meaningful protection against serious health issues in many cases. Although, that is largely dependent on your co-conditions.
My conclusion, Omicron is insanely contagious regardless of vaccination status.
kickingandscreaming
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In fairness, he does this in every post regardless of the topic.
I was thinking "Bay Area Bong Water", we put everything else in water, why not? Maybe its all in the marketing. "Woke Water infused with Cannabis" does sound more appealing.
GoldenGate
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The alt right crowd can't handle it when others use their tactic of insulting people against them. It's no wonder their snowflakey children are too emotionally feeble to wear masks at school.
You do a disservice to everyone by trying to have honest conversation with people who are not willing to engage in honest conversation. It only gives them and others the impression that their beliefs and opinions are anything more than an absolute embarrassment and a joke. In the last few days you have seen: (1) the self-proclaimed "serious legal scholar" Grace T. cite a twitter post to support her anti-mask agenda, although the attached study attached related to the unique situation in Catalonia, Spain and, more importantly, acknowledged two American studies (which she blithely ignores of course) about America's situation which show that wearing masks substantially reduces transmission here; (2) clown boy soccersc citing an article he claims shows vaccines aren't important in schools, although the article itself says exactly the opposite (to which he rationalizes that his inability to understand what words mean is "cherry picking"), and although he ignores (yet again) your point and the fact that the study also undermines his anti-mask position (actual cherry picking in other words); (3) desert cactus claiming NZ is doing a terrible job with Covid-19 while AZ is going bigly great with policies that kill more people of Covid on a typical day than NZ has had die of Covid in two freakin' years; (4) multiple anti-vaxxers/maskers and conspiracy theorists minimizing studies that establish Covid-19 was not created in a Wuhan lab to reduce population, because they haven't been "peer reviewed", but who then turn around and cite twitter and Tik tok instead; (5) their blatantly racist anti-vax/mask friend claiming in another thread that the U.S. has 27 super, duper secret biological weapons plants in the Ukraine where they're also hiding Hillary's emails about her secret lasagna recipe; and (6) all of them conveniently ignoring their biggest anti-vax/mask proponents crush and the racist, who remind everyone daily which side has the whackadoos.
Some day you will understand that you can't reason with people like this. Humiliating them is the only way to get them to take off their viking hats and face paint, and resign themselves to staying in their lane, which is the (intellectually) slow one.
Hmmmm....interesting had the same issue. Kiddos are double vaxxed and single vaxxed + prior immunity. I'm prior immunity+boosted. I got sick with omicron in early January but was sick for only 2 days (PCR negative but my home kit had a very light pink line). Kiddos did not get sick.
My kids were double vaxxed but not boosted. One colleagues two kids were unvaxxed, but prior immunity. Another had an unvaxxed toddler. Another had an unvaxxed toddler and young teen. None of them either got it, or showed symptoms. All them tested negative except for the toddlers who weren't tested.
"PCR negative but my home kit had a very light pink line" is the most Graceful statement she has ever posted.
GoldenGate
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Some quick questions.
1. What is one standard deviation between your one anecdotal experience and 330 million Americans? I'm trying to quantify the accuracy of your one experience and every time I run the numbers, it comes out "none at all". I want to make sure my math is right, so I figured I'd go straight to the source.
2. Did you include the fact that your two double vaxxed kids did not get Covid, and therefore did not spread it at school, when you reached your "scientific" conclusion that vaccinated students are equally likely to spread it at school as unvaccinated ones? Or are you one of the anti-vaxxers/maskers who claim that schools are a "safe space" from Covid and is impossible to spread there, so that's your reason kids shouldn't get vaccinated?
3. When you admit that vaccination does provide some limited protection against infection, but not meaningful protection against community spread, I want to make sure I understand what you mean. I think what you're trying to tell people is to not give two s**ts about the people around them because they'll just get it from someone else anyway. So even if getting vaccinated might have kept someone from getting infected and then giving it to someone else close to them who dies from it, that person would have just gotten it eventually anyway from someone else and then died. Right? It's fine to be the one who gives a deadly disease to your co-workers, classmates, family and others because a million people are gonna die anyway, more or less, so why not make it include people you know?
4. Can you please quantify for me the exact "limited protection" against infection that vaccines provide? 2%? 10%? 20% Where is the study that helped you reach this conclusion, or did you just make some shit up based on your one anecdotal experience upon which to conclude that getting vaccinated is pointless for helping keeping the people around you alive?
GoldenGate
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Yes, her vaccinated kids not getting Covid despite being exposed to it is very persuasive evidence that vaccines don't help reduce spread. Based on what Watfly says, who cares anyway if anyone gets vaccinated or wears masks in schools? If it's not unvaccinated Grace who kills the person next to her by giving them Covid, someone else will do it to them eventually, right? We anti-vaxxers can wash our hands of responsibility for the health and safety of the people around us because a million people will die anyway, more or less. It's no big deal if the reduction in infection rates (which Watfly admits exists) results in me not getting infected and then transmitting it to someone who then dies, because f**k them they had it coming eventually from someone else, so it's everyone's fault but mine. I can't stop community spread in America all by myself, so I may as well not get vaccinated or wear masks and get to work on killing those around me or, if I only hang out with young healthy people, their friends and family.
I think your questions would be better addressed to someone that is actually anti-vax. I'd try Reddit again, unless you can resurrect Crush/Ellejustus/SoccerHelper.
It's easy if you think about it (but we all know you don't). I took the PCR test when I was starting to feel sick....I took the rapid test a couple days later