Vaccine

what-happened said:
Plenty of independent brain power has gone into trying to determine origin. Access to the server that was taken off line would do wonders. The search for natural origin has supposedly been exhausted - according to the CCP. There are very serious and smart people who don't peddle conspiracy theories that are not convinced this occurred naturally. All that is being asked is unfettered access. Which will likley not happen.
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I have to focus in on some stuff but it is an interesting conversation.

The search for natural origins is nowhere close to being exhausted. The diversity of zoonotic C-viruses across Asian and down into Thailand has barely been touched, irrespectively of whatever the CCP says (Chinese Communist Party?). in some ways continuing to sample that would be the most useful long term thing to do, irrespective of placing blame, if there is indeed blame to be placed. Sure there are smart people working on it and the idea that it was a lab leak of some kind seems plausible. But if you had all the access you wanted, Fauci comms (probably all squirrel but great political theater), internal NIH documents (probably some ass covering but ultimately just follow the money out and see where it gets you), assembled your digital and biological forensic team and marched into Whuhan (like the Walter Peck scene in Ghostbusters), throw in Hunter Biden's laptop for no real reason other than to make Crush happy, what would you look for? What would the smoking gun look like?
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
I have to focus in on some stuff but it is an interesting conversation.

The search for natural origins is nowhere close to being exhausted. The diversity of zoonotic C-viruses across Asian and down into Thailand has barely been touched, irrespectively of whatever the CCP says (Chinese Communist Party?). in some ways continuing to sample that would be the most useful long term thing to do, irrespective of placing blame, if there is indeed blame to be placed. Sure there are smart people working on it and the idea that it was a lab leak of some kind seems plausible. But if you had all the access you wanted, Fauci comms (probably all squirrel but great political theater), internal NIH documents (probably some ass covering but ultimately just follow the money out and see where it gets you), assembled your digital and biological forensic team and marched into Whuhan (like the Walter Peck scene in Ghostbusters), throw in Hunter Biden's laptop for no real reason other than to make Crush happy, what would you look for? What would the smoking gun look like?
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Samples and research notes that match the early cov-19 genome.

Or, more likely, key personnell who produced no research at all for long stretches in 2018-2019, then reappear. Like the missing 17 minutes on Nixon’s tape recorder.
 
Oh yeah, since the media came up on the origins stuff. In one sense I think you get what you pay for. Tough to find people who write well, know the internal workings at NIH, and understand the biology, that can really cover something like this. And if that is their profile they may not be broad enough for a desk at a big outfit. But there are good freelance people, largely doing gig stuff. Here's one from a writer who happens to be based in SoCal on the GOF stuff.

www.nature.com

The shifting sands of ‘gain-of-function’ research

The mystery of COVID’s origins has reignited a contentious debate about potentially risky studies and the fuzzy terminology that describes them.
www.nature.com www.nature.com
 
Kicker 2.0 said:
Living rent free in your head I see…..

The disappointing thing is that:
- he has been more factually accurate than our mainstream media.
- he is more fair and balanced than our mainstream media
- he was mocked by CNN for using “horse paste” despite other countries using the same medicine as a part of their treatment plans.
- CNN full on modified a video of him by adding a yellow hue in attempt to make him look sicker while he had Covid.
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It amazes me how threatened the left feels by Rogan, he is an entertainment podcaster with interesting guests. He's not claiming to be a journalist. Its better than "journalists" who promote a narrative under the guise of news.

Ultimately, its just professional jealousy. Its ironic that Espola would post that article seeing how opposed he is to whiners.
 
watfly said:
It amazes me how threatened the left feels by Rogan, he is an entertainment podcaster with interesting guests. He's not claiming to be a journalist. Its better than "journalists" who promote a narrative under the guise of news.

Ultimately, its just professional jealousy. Its ironic that Espola would post that article seeing how opposed he is to whiners.
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I got involved in the discussion about Rogan in response to another poster. Several posters took offense to that. No one has disproved my original analysis that he makes money telling lies to stir up idiots.
 
Grace T. said:
There have been a handful of cases in the nba but no where near the count of soccer. Did not know the sample size though…maybe it’s due to there being so many more soccer players in the world than nba/college athletes. But why not, more interestingly, distance runners, of which there are a ton from cross country athletes to amateur 5kers? There also isn’t an apparent 100% correlation with either the vaccine or covid, happening long after vaccination or with no apparent covid infection. It might be something latent related to both (and the spike protein) or it might be something completely unrelated (eg mass doping we are unaware of). But whatever it is should be enough of a problem now that fifa should throw resources at it.
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A soccer player has a higher/longer elevated heart rate.
NBA players have a different peak and valley elevated heart rate.

I personally feel the American sports establishment is hiding the
TRUE effects of the deadly Covid -19 jabs on players....
Myocarditis is only one aspect of these sick so-called vaccines.

Wait til the true contents/makeup of the J&J, Glaxo/Smith/Kline, Inovio, Pfizer
are revealed and the long-term consequences are witnessed.
 
espola said:
I got involved in the discussion about Rogan in response to another poster. Several posters took offense to that. No one has disproved my original analysis that he makes money telling lies to stir up idiots.
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He is an interviewer, not a " Preacher " of LIES as you are.

So, what lies does he tell then?
 
espola said:
I got involved in the discussion about Rogan in response to another poster. Several posters took offense to that. No one has disproved my original analysis that he makes money telling lies to stir up idiots.
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Please share the lies he tells that you are referring to….
 
thirteenknots said:
A soccer player has a higher/longer elevated heart rate.
NBA players have a different peak and valley elevated heart rate.

I personally feel the American sports establishment is hiding the
TRUE effects of the deadly Covid -19 jabs on players....
Myocarditis is only one aspect of these sick so-called vaccines.

Wait til the true contents/makeup of the J&J, Glaxo/Smith/Kline, Inovio, Pfizer
are revealed and the long-term consequences are witnessed.
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To be fair, it is also a side effect of Covid and many other viruses.
 
thirteenknots said:
A soccer player has a higher/longer elevated heart rate.
NBA players have a different peak and valley elevated heart rate.

I personally feel the American sports establishment is hiding the
TRUE effects of the deadly Covid -19 jabs on players....
Myocarditis is only one aspect of these sick so-called vaccines.

Wait til the true contents/makeup of the J&J, Glaxo/Smith/Kline, Inovio, Pfizer
are revealed and the long-term consequences are witnessed.
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Are the true contents different from what is disclosed in their patent applications?
 
dad4 said:
Samples and research notes that match the early cov-19 genome.

Or, more likely, key personnell who produced no research at all for long stretches in 2018-2019, then reappear. Like the missing 17 minutes on Nixon’s tape recorder.
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Damn I'm procrastinating. There is lots of flux through these types of research institutions. But there likely will be more premanent lab heads and sort of lab grunts who keep things going, make the media, wash the glassware, etc. Human interviews from both could be useful, what was the overall prospectus of work going on (lab heads), any sort of rumors or stories (lab minions)? If a clear line of pursuit does not emerge from that it will likely be hard. Searching all electronic files for sequence strings or key words would be obvious. Raw research notes, good luck. Samples. I imagine somewhere Wuhan keeps a currated collection of C-virus strains but that would be pretty obvious, either to find or for somebody to cover up. Its not that big of a place so lets say in terms of samples you are looking at, say, 30 -80°C freezers, each with five shelves, each with 5 racks, and each rack holding 12 boxes holding 96 microcentrifuge tube size samples. Most of the boxes will be labelled, "Joe's stuff", "Mary's new project", "Meng 2018-2020" stuff like that. Sorting through that without a target could be as hard as looking for what template viruses might have been used in nature. And alot of it will be BL-4 level stuff, so figuring out what is in the tubes will be slow going.
 
Kicker 2.0 said:
Please share the lies he tells that you are referring to….
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And lets compare that vs much of the press telling us about bombshell after bombshell in the Russian Collusion narrative that all fell apart.

Or the Nicolas Sandman story that they cheerfully reported fact free...and many have now quietly settled with him.

It is an extensive list of lies, unsubstantiated reporting, etc.
 
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