Vaccine

N00B said:
Different virus… but interesting!

www.scientificamerican.com

Epstein-Barr Virus Found to Trigger Multiple Sclerosis

The research could mark a turning point in the fight against MS
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“Others are already working on vaccines that could prevent infection with Epstein-Barr. Moderna, which created an mRNA vaccine against COVID-19, launched a phase 1 trial of an mRNA vaccine for Epstein-Barr earlier this month. And NIAID’s Cohen expects to begin a phase 1 trial of another Epstein-Barr vaccine by the end of February. If these researchers succeed, such vaccines might dramatically reduce the incidence of mononucleosis and some cancers. And now it is conceivable that they could do the same for MS.”
 
kickingandscreaming said:
The fact that the lab leak is entirely plausible and the scientists/politicians knew it indicates that the actions they took were an attempted coverup. Some might consider an attempted coverup of a plausible source of the worst pandemic in 100 years to be more than "breezy, good for a click and that's about it". To each his own.
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On February 20th 2020 who said, “China seems to be making tremendous progress. Their numbers are way down. … I think our relationship with China is very good. We just did a big trade deal. We’re starting on another trade deal with China — a very big one. And we’ve been working very closely. They’ve been talking to our people, we’ve been talking to their people, having to do with the virus.”
 
Grace T. said:
Inflation is outpacing wage growth. If US metrics really aren't catching the full amount, we are looking at either a scary hyperinflation event, or more likely the Fed having to slam the breaks on the entire thing hard (and a resulting recession). I had been thinking that much like the post 1919 epidemic, with job openings and optimism, we could be set for a Roaring 20s type good times after the worst of the pandemic. But if this article is correct, we could be looking at several more years of economic and social misery (the inflation alone if the article is correct is enough to send the Ds into the wilderness for a generation....or at least until the Rs, as the always do, mess up).

asiatimes.com

Worst US inflation since ’82 is huge underestimate - Asia Times

Shelter accounts for about a third of American household expenditure, and the cost of buying or renting shelter is up nearly 20% over the past year. Yet the Consumer Price Index (CPI) for shelter reported Jan. 12 by the US Bureau of Labor Statistics showed an increase of just 4.2 over the past...
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Wages haven’t kept up with inflation since 1982. Still awaiting the “trickle down”.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
On February 20th 2020 who said, “China seems to be making tremendous progress. Their numbers are way down. … I think our relationship with China is very good. We just did a big trade deal. We’re starting on another trade deal with China — a very big one. And we’ve been working very closely. They’ve been talking to our people, we’ve been talking to their people, having to do with the virus.”
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In FEB 2020?
 
Went to Vallarta today. Where you are beginning to see the impact in Los Angeles is the meat and fish counters…maybe half the selections. Some packages brands out and some empty shelves but not too bad by way of shortages outside of the meat and fish.
 
Grace T. said:
Went to Vallarta today. Where you are beginning to see the impact in Los Angeles is the meat and fish counters…maybe half the selections. Some packages brands out and some empty shelves but not too bad by way of shortages outside of the meat and fish.
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Lots of doom and gloom down there in your neck of the woods. Best of luck to you.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Wages haven’t kept up with inflation since 1982.
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In what economic system do wages ‘keep up’ with inflation?

There is a reason that inflation and the policies that drive it are generally considered ‘bad’. Even ‘wage-based’ inflation is not a benefit, it’s just descriptive of the problem… cost push inflation.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
On February 20th 2020 who said, “China seems to be making tremendous progress. Their numbers are way down. … I think our relationship with China is very good. We just did a big trade deal. We’re starting on another trade deal with China — a very big one. And we’ve been working very closely. They’ve been talking to our people, we’ve been talking to their people, having to do with the virus.”
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I’m mixed on this quote, given the time period.

Half of me wants to say ‘huge-ly’ and mock the bombastic, self-serving statement by a political figure… the other half wants to critique the secretive and uncooperative/non-transparent communication out of China regarding COVID, not just to the US, but the whole world. (Italy may have more of a bone to pick on this topic).
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
To each their own-yep. The "evidence" for attempted coverup seems pretty breezy to me. I'm agonostic on the origin, but wanna see something solid one way or another.
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With no access to the lab, the scientists, or the samples, what kind of solid evidence do you think you’re going to get?
 
dad4 said:
With no access to the lab, the scientists, or the samples, what kind of solid evidence do you think you’re going to get?
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I'll listen to the podcast of the journalist posted earlier (VF hits a paywall for me). I have followed the story but from my own angle. If there was some sort of deliberate engineering-which is what's ultimately implied by the gain of function stuff-it would be hard to do it without leaving traces in the viral genome sequence. If there is a signature, what is it? The CoV-2 genome has been scrutinized pretty hard at this point. If it is of natural origin, tracking the phylogeny should be able to reconstruct the lineage, although it is admittedly a difficult task-looking for strains in bats and other beasties spread all over the place. If it was a normal recombinant that arose from strains isolated in the wild and brought to Wuhan, with somebody screwing up and getting themselves infected, we may never learn of the event, unless our intelligence agencies have something definitive that has yet to see the light of day. Ultimately, for the biology, either two coronaviruses got together and recombined as they tend to do, either in a culture dish or in nature, or....not. If it's a recombinant it would be really great to know the parental strains. Solid evidence could come from intelligence or good muckraking journalism, although you could just get smoke and mirrors, which I think is pretty much where its at. But if you could see it or find it, the real answer must be embedded in viral genomes.
 
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EvilGoalie 21 said:
I'll listen to the podcast of the journalist posted earlier (VF hits a paywall for me). I have followed the story but from my own angle. If there was some sort of deliberate engineering-which is what's ultimately implied by the gain of function stuff-it would be hard to do it without leaving traces in the viral genome sequence. If there is a signature, what is it? The CoV-2 genome has been scrutinized pretty hard at this point. If it is of natural origin, tracking the phylogeny should be able to reconstruct the lineage, although it is admittedly a difficult task-looking for strains in bats and other beasties spread all over the place. If it was a normal recombinant that arose from strains isolated in the wild and brought to Wuhan, with somebody screwing up and getting themselves infected, we may never learn of the event, unless our intelligence agencies have something definitive that has yet to see the light of day. Ultimately, for the biology, either two coronaviruses got together and recombined as they tend to do, either in a culture dish or in nature, or....not. If it's a recombinant it would be really great to know the parental strains. Solid evidence could come from intelligence or good muckraking journalism, although you could just get smoke and mirrors, which I think is pretty much where its at. But if you could see it or find it, the real answer must be embedded in viral genomes.
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Plenty of independent brain power has gone into trying to determine origin. Access to the server that was taken off line would do wonders. The search for natural origin has supposedly been exhausted - according to the CCP. There are very serious and smart people who don't peddle conspiracy theories that are not convinced this occurred naturally. All that is being asked is unfettered access. Which will likley not happen.
 
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