Vaccine

Three topics. Not two.

Vaccines, vaccine passports, and vaccine mandates.

I do not agree that a vaccine passport for restaurant and gym use is the same as a mandate.

A mandate would be like they did for smallpox: "get vaccinated or pay a fine".
Good point.
 
Hello to Sleepless in Seattle poeple. What a joke you guys are becoming. My old pal that I visited two years ago in Kirkland, WA is officially hypnotized 100% and were not friends anymore. I told him about this new Bill their trying to pass in his State and I wanted his thoughts on it and he says, "as a community we only want those who are vaccinated in our towns and food places and that's our right." I told him, "Thanks for being honest about how I always felt you felt about people like me. You always had too much snob in your spirit" I told him. He said and I quote, "I guess this is the end." I said, "yes sir. Thanks for showing your true selfish self." I left him with this, "Keep all the money you saved for retirement and enjoy life with the Metaverse Vaxxers, Mask over mouth and boosters forever." He hung up on me. I'm cleaning house with every friend I know who will not help others who have a right to say no. Punish me all you want. I will NEVER forget this you guys. My pal sold out so he can go back to normal and now does not want any unclean human around him, his wife or his way of life and his space. Only the vax can buy and sell and go to events and bars and food places where he hangs out. We have all been appalled to see what is happening to the people of Australia, Canada, and Austria, where their governments are opening internment camps (called “quarantine camps”) for unvaccinated citizens who refuse vaccination for Covid. People I know have been fired for not complying and now they have camps for us. Oh joy, I love camping.....lol! The List goes on how much hypocrisy I see in this country. Pay to play players. Shame on you. When will you help others and not feed yourself first? The state of Washington is now proposing similar rules for their unvaccinated citizens. They are also proposing to add the (unapproved) Covid vaccines to the mandatory school vaccination regimen for all school children in the state. A coworker sent an email this afternoon to his pal, containing the following.

• Allowing local health officers to use law enforcement (WAC 246-100-070) to force an emergency order to involuntarily detain a person or group of persons (families) to be isolated in a quarantine facility (WAC 246-100-045) following refusal to voluntary comply with requests for medical examination, testing, treatment, counseling, vaccination (WAC 246-100-040). These specifics come from WAC 246-100.
• Including the Covid-19 injections as part of school immunization requirements using WAC 246-105.
 
Now I just got this from PM. Anyone, please up in Seattle, chime in here please? My friend is not my friend anymore and this is not like him to act like this. I see the Great Separation and it's kind of sad but also exciting all in one. I never, ever want to be around people who think their better then the rest. You know the snob; "my shit dont stink" type of a-hole or "my way or the highway" or "you best better do as I say and STFU or else" kind of man. We will not have a society like that anymore. No more you guys. Stop it!! Stop lying and cheating and when caught, lie and cheat some more or worse......

"While some flyers and e-mails have been sent around claiming the WSBOH will discuss or vote to enforce mandatory quarantine laws in cases of COVID-19, that is not the case. Variations of the flyer state the WSBOH will discuss both Chapter 246-105 WAC, legislature regarding immunization of child care and school children against certain vaccine-preventable diseases, and Chapter 246-100 WAC, rules regarding communicable and certain other diseases. That much is true. However, these are two separate issues, and neither will have action taken on them at this meeting."
 
So the fact that the current crop of vaccines has cut down on deaths and hospitalizations isn’t enough for you? All or nothing? Perfect or nothing?
Yea, that's what I said. No one is arguing they've been useful in minimzing deaths and hospitalizations..but good try.

They do not stop transmission. The risk benefit (which is what the CDC is supposed to weigh) isn' the same across the board. The quest for mandates falls apart once the vaccines didn't do what they were marketed to do.

If you are high risk, get vaccinated. Should parents be mandated to vaccinate their healthy children.....Is sars-cov-2 the measles/mumps?

If you are vaccinated and boosted...let it go already..you've done your part, nice job. We went from prevention/immunity to.....well, you know the story, you follow the jello narrative.
 
Gunning for Tucker's job?
Your knack for takeways is astonishing...have you signed up for 2-3 boosters per year? Did the CDC not change their definition. Did they follow the science? Are they following it now? Is Fauci the science? How should we use home tests? Are they accurate? Why are HC workers now allowed to come back to work if their covid symptons are mild? Should they be forced to tell patients under their care they are infected?

Maybe you should ask Tucker. Apparently where you consume your information is lacking, similar to some of the folks on the supreme court.
 
Your knack for takeways is astonishing...have you signed up for 2-3 boosters per year? Did the CDC not change their definition. Did they follow the science? Are they following it now? Is Fauci the science? How should we use home tests? Are they accurate? Why are HC workers now allowed to come back to work if their covid symptons are mild? Should they be forced to tell patients under their care they are infected?

Maybe you should ask Tucker. Apparently where you consume your information is lacking, similar to some of the folks on the supreme court.

What would happen if there were no rhetorical questions?
 
Covidian is 100% a cult with members that are now hypnotized. The Witnesses of their sect like Espola and The Husler are the one's that drive me nuts. I'm learning to become a certified, "Cult Exit Deprogrammer." How to leave a cult for good; by EJ, SoccerHelper and the suspended crush. The Covidians are out to get anyone WHO doesn;t agree with their teaching of injections from Wuhan and the mask way of life. Whacko cult members that think their church of eating like shit, like fast food, booze and meat from abused animals is the true and only way to live on earth. They never stop stumping on my right to earn a buck. 100% kicked me out of the game of money and power. I was born into a cult and joined another one later in college. The last one was more loving but came with conditions. If you come to church and give at least 10%, you will be loved unconditionally. It took "pay to have friends' to a a whole crazy that I tested and with my true test, I saw church what it was. A place to make friends but you better give up Sunday for The Lord and give all your time and extra cash flow back to the man at the church. I read the bible every day for 30 years + 3= 33 years of hard core bible. The stories in the bible are wonderful and I mean that. I read it now at a whole different level.
 
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Walensky says Sotomayor's pediatric COVID hospitalization number was off dramatically
The Supreme Court justice claimed there are more than 100,000 children in 'serious condition' from COVID-19
 
Wow oh wow, I love me some Geraldo now. Great job bro for eating some humble pie. Thanks for being a man and owning up to when your wrong. Thanks Geraldo, I mean that 100%. I love you man :)

Geraldo Rivera Eats “Humble Pie,” Apologizes to Unvaccinated After He Catches COVID

Geraldo: I thought for sure I was immune for getting all the jabs

Geraldo: I was very hard on the unvaccinated.

Geraldo: As the data suggests, it's time I eat some humble pie in that regard because I was 100% wrong......blah and more blah and frankly I'm just embarrassed at myself. I sorry to EJ as well. I was wrong!!! Please everyone, just admit you were wrong and change and just do right.

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Is sars-cov-2 the measles/mumps.... prevention/immunity to.....

In equating immunity with prevention it is important to spell out prevention of what. Immunity comprises both short term prevention to infection as well as long term prevention of severe disease consequences. Either as a convalescent or a vaxxed invidual the short term component is on the order of 4 month to a year, and has to do with circulating antibodies titers that can vary considerably from individual to individual. The long term memory component of immunity involves a separate (but related) set of immune cell populations. In some cases this component of immunity memory can last a lifetime.

In this sense there are many parallels between omicron (with omicron perhaps more accurately called cov-3) and measles. Measles is one of the most, if not the most, infectious viruses in humans. In terms of its R number, omicron is either right behind measles or running neck in neck. It's mind blowing. Childhood vaccination against measles has two public health objectives. First, to prevent outbreaks. Second, and perhaps more importantly given the increased severity of measles in adults, vaccination induces that long lasting immune memory component. Especially if Cov-2 and its related offspring increasingly fall under selective pressure to circumvent short-term immunity, vaccination won't do much to temper community transmission. It may be a long time before we are in a position to talk about outbreaks, and who knows what flavor of C-virus we will be dealing with. But the data appears pretty strong that vaxx, particularly after the clean up on aisle 5 that attends infection, induces an extremely diverse set of long term immune memory cell populations that recognize molecular surfaces of Ace2 in a variety of conformations. That data has been linked on this thread. It can be linked again if anybody cares, which i doubt.

I think people should do what they want. But the argument for vaxxing kids as i see it parallels the situation with measles closely. the future is obviously unknowable, but it seems pretty reasonable to think at this point that the next generation will be dealing with periodically re-emergent forms of this virus for the rest of their lives. Their kids may bring it home from school to them. And each time it pops out of the woodworks who knows what it will look like. But, given what we do know, there is a choice that can hopefully give their long term immunity the broadest possible arsenal going forward.
 
You left out the part where she says "and many on ventilators".

And we wonder why so many have tuned out gubment. At least we know she's not consuming her news via fox.
I saw a pic of her chowing down on a nice meal after work with no mask with a few of her pals. I dont know when the pic was and I sure don;t want her after me. I respect her as judge and 1/7 of the jury. She was appointed by former President Obama. I just 100% disagree with her about fetus being brain dead and then this about the vax and the kids. This is going to be an epic week.
 
Yea, that's what I said. No one is arguing they've been useful in minimzing deaths and hospitalizations..but good try.

They do not stop transmission. The risk benefit (which is what the CDC is supposed to weigh) isn' the same across the board. The quest for mandates falls apart once the vaccines didn't do what they were marketed to do.

If you are high risk, get vaccinated. Should parents be mandated to vaccinate their healthy children.....Is sars-cov-2 the measles/mumps?

If you are vaccinated and boosted...let it go already..you've done your part, nice job. We went from prevention/immunity to.....well, you know the story, you follow the jello narrative.
I am against government mandates, but private businesses are free to decide who gets access, right?
 
Do you know the codes? This is getting very interesting.

AOC tests positive for COVID-19 after partying in Miami maskless
The positive test comes shortly after the congresswoman was seen without a mask in a Miami bar, according to video that circulated on social media

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In equating immunity with prevention it is important to spell out prevention of what. Immunity comprises both short term prevention to infection as well as long term prevention of severe disease consequences. Either as a convalescent or a vaxxed invidual the short term component is on the order of 4 month to a year, and has to do with circulating antibodies titers that can vary considerably from individual to individual. The long term memory component of immunity involves a separate (but related) set of immune cell populations. In some cases this component of immunity memory can last a lifetime.

In this sense there are many parallels between omicron (with omicron perhaps more accurately called cov-3) and measles. Measles is one of the most, if not the most, infectious viruses in humans. In terms of its R number, omicron is either right behind measles or running neck in neck. It's mind blowing. Childhood vaccination against measles has two public health objectives. First, to prevent outbreaks. Second, and perhaps more importantly given the increased severity of measles in adults, vaccination induces that long lasting immune memory component. Especially if Cov-2 and its related offspring increasingly fall under selective pressure to circumvent short-term immunity, vaccination won't do much to temper community transmission. It may be a long time before we are in a position to talk about outbreaks, and who knows what flavor of C-virus we will be dealing with. But the data appears pretty strong that vaxx, particularly after the clean up on aisle 5 that attends infection, induces an extremely diverse set of long term immune memory cell populations that recognize molecular surfaces of Ace2 in a variety of conformations. That data has been linked on this thread. It can be linked again if anybody cares, which i doubt.

I think people should do what they want. But the argument for vaxxing kids as i see it parallels the situation with measles closely. the future is obviously unknowable, but it seems pretty reasonable to think at this point that the next generation will be dealing with periodically re-emergent forms of this virus for the rest of their lives. Their kids may bring it home from school to them. And each time it pops out of the woodworks who knows what it will look like. But, given what we do know, there is a choice that can hopefully give their long term immunity the broadest possible arsenal going forward.
They can get the same protection through natural immune exposure though, which for them carries very little risk. All of them, vaxxed and unvaxxed, will be exposed to it at some point. Further there doesn’t appear to be a whole lot of benefit to boosting them.

you also seem to suggest that it’s a doomsday scenario that they’ll be repeatedly exposed to this virus including by their kids. You’re a parent right? We all go through this. There is nothing special about this coronavirus (unless you are somehow suggesting it has been engineered to by a doomsday weapon constantly mutating into bad forms). There are 4 other freely circulating corona viruses. There’s the flu. There’s rsv which hospitalized more kids ever year than the corona virus. Then there’s the adeno and enters viruses. I’ve come close to being killed not just by covid but by a simple rhino virus that developed into a drug resistant sinus infection. The most disgusting illness I’ve ever had was an adeno virus which not only gave me a respiratory infection but secondary bronchitis, pink eye and intestinal problems. It’s part of the human condition.Unless you somehow believe this thing was made to be different, it will join the long line of illness that periodically goes Darwin on our species every year. Part of what made this so horrible, like small pox to the Inca or measles to the Hawaiians, was that it was Novel to our immune systems.
 
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