Vaccine

dad4 said:
I knew I was voting for a senile grandpa back in November. He is declining in office, just as I knew he would.

Give us a decent alternative. The last time, my only other choice was an overweight man-child incapable of basic civil behavior. His giant temper tantrum on Jan 06, 2021 only reinforces my opinion of the man.
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Meh...Biden might have done him a favor.....look at the by election that Johnson just lost in a very very safe Tory spot, 65% Brexit supporting. If an incumbent supports COVID restrictions, but has members of his party (or him/herself) not adhere to them, and such restrictions fail to control the virus (not to mention the resulting economic harm), it's election suicide.

For you it has the added unfortunate dynamic that as people turn against Biden, and get the knives out for him, they drift more to our side of thinking on the restrictions.
 
crush said:
Stop it with the dualistic politics bro. The D vs R and Right vs Left and Democratic vs Republican is no more. No more Capitalism Vs Communism or Liberal vs Progressives. No more Male vs Female and all in between. The Earth is changing before EVERYONE and we can't deny the truth anymore. Do not be afraid, Yeshua is on the Way. The Military will step in at the right time to act as the ref and the judge for mankind. With the help of Admiral Rogers ((NSA)) and the White Hats ((Q and Q+)) and all the please tell us about the "In Tell Us Gents" the truth :) :) :). No more Tel Us A Visions" through the eye of Cain. The last 22 years has been the battle of all battles. I feel honored to have played my part. I had good, bad and some ugly. The next phase will be epic. No more sit on the fence. It's Cain or Abel bro. We have all been taught Right and Wrong, right? Now it's time to choose. I know you man, you will choose the Light and the Truth because the Truth will set your ass free!!! I love you and Wat Fly man :)
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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.
 
Grace T. said:
Meh...Biden might have done him a favor.....look at the by election that Johnson just lost in a very very safe Tory spot, 65% Brexit supporting. If an incumbent supports COVID restrictions, but has members of his party (or him/herself) not adhere to them, and such restrictions fail to control the virus (not to mention the resulting economic harm), it's election suicide.

For you it has the added unfortunate dynamic that as people turn against Biden, and get the knives out for him, they drift more to our side of thinking on the restrictions.
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Other than parents whose kids education keeps getting disrupted by inane Covid policies, I don't see Covid being a pivotal issue for most people. It will be the economic and crime policies.
 
watfly said:
Other than parents whose kids education keeps getting disrupted by inane Covid policies, I don't see Covid being a pivotal issue for most people. It will be the economic and crime policies.
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The Tory by election and Virginia exit polling results beg to differ, but even then the economic and crime policies are sort of linked to COVID. Those don't get fixed until COVID gets through and are linked to it.
 
watfly said:
Notice that there is only passing mention of Covid policy, other than that no mention of policies, only personality. Right now the Dem's can't compete on policy (current movement away from anti-police policies is a step in the right direction), so they have to go with the ad-hominem angle.

Character matters, although this is more of a personality attack, but policies matter more.
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It’s just an article about how Disantis is trying so hard to be just like his meal ticket and hero. Crazy sells, bigly in Florida!
 
dad4 said:
The first time you guys raised the unsafe vaccine argument, it was to complain that J&J has the same risk as driving a car 50 miles. Now you are complaining about a myocarditis risk that is even smaller.

Your argument has absolutely nothing to do with risk. The risk from J&J is 0.0000005, nine deaths per 17 million patients. And that’s the higher risk one.

It has everything to do with you and grace buying into a politicized argument that covid is a nothing burger. But you can’t say that, because it’s hard to argue that 800,000 deaths is nothing.

Which leaves you defending the notion that 800,000 deaths is minor, but nine deaths is a huge problem. I have no idea how you can simultaneously believe both these concepts.
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And yet the gov authorities are telling certain groups not to take the drug. If it were minor as you say, they would not do what they are doing. They clearly have concerns and as such are making recommendations that certain groups should not take the vaxx.

That is how they normally work with drugs on the market. They study them for a number of years and make decisions after that.

You conveniently bypass that.

We also don't know if there are other issues for certain groups.

You conveniently by pass that.

And as you bypass that you want to mandate people to take a vax when we don't know who is or might be at risk etc.

It is terrible policy. But then again most of your ideas are bad policy.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
It’s just an article about how Disantis is trying so hard to be just like his meal ticket and hero. Crazy sells, bigly in Florida!
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Well that wouldn't be my approach, of course, we'd all be in trouble if I ran for office. Not my first choice but I'd probably vote for him if that was my option vs the current Dem options, which only makes me half crazy. Wasn't Florida well known for crazy long before DeSantis?
 
Desert Hound said:
And yet the gov authorities are telling certain groups not to take the drug. If it were minor as you say, they would not do what they are doing. They clearly have concerns and as such are making recommendations that certain groups should not take the vaxx.
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When did adverse effects only count if the result is death. Adverse is adverse… dad4 knows it, but is only discussing it from a singular perspective.
 
Heart inflammation cases emerge among 5- to 11-year-old kids after COVID-19 shot: CDC
Most patients with the inflammation 'felt better quickly' after receiving medication, rest
 
watfly said:
Well that wouldn't be my approach, of course, we'd all be in trouble if I ran for office. Not my first choice but I'd probably vote for him if that was my option vs the current Dem options, which only makes me half crazy. Wasn't Florida well known for crazy long before DeSantis?
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Am I the only one here that laughs every time a person from CA identifies another state as “crazy”?
 
N00B said:
When did adverse effects only count if the result is death. Adverse is adverse… dad4 knows it, but is only discussing it from a singular perspective.
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You can do that. But you also have to count all of the non-fatal covid hospitalizations. Those are adverse, too.

Result is still the same.
 
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