Vaccine

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Grace T. said:
A critique of the CDC immunity study and why it conflicts with the Israeli

brownstone.org

A Review and Autopsy of Two COVID Immunity Studies ⋆ Brownstone Institute

I have never before seen such a large discrepancy between immunity studies that are supposed to answer the same question.
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Based on his wiki the founder of Brownstone is quite an interesting character. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Tucker

These articles and studies go way over my head most of the time. We can argue about the degree of relative immunity that prior infection provides but it seems clear that it provides a level of immunity at least in the neighborhood of vaccinated immunity.
 
watfly said:
My bad, I assumed you were pro-mandate based on your rationalizations regarding mandates. I honestly have a hard time keeping up with you and Espola (although I still don't know Espola's opinion on mandate). I guess I shouldn't assume based on someone's rhetoric implying something in the alternative. I guess I missed your prior anti-mandate statements.

Not trying to do anything here. Glad to hear you are anti-mandate. Welcome to the pro-vax, anti-mandate club.
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Once you realize that leftist have no principled positions, rather emotional bandwagons for political agendas, it'll all make sense.

One of the more banal examples is the constant non-answers to questions by asking questions, i.e., @espola
 
MicPaPa said:
Once you realize that leftist have no principled positions, rather emotional bandwagons for political agendas, it'll all make sense.

One of the more banal examples is the constant non-answers to questions by asking questions, i.e., @espola
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Bernie seems to have principles that he unflinchingly adheres to. Of course, I'd adhere to those principles too if I could make that kind of coin just working for the government without any apparent job skills.
 
MicPaPa said:
Once you realize that leftist have no principled positions, rather emotional bandwagons for political agendas, it'll all make sense.

One of the more banal examples is the constant non-answers to questions by asking questions, i.e., @espola
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Nope your were just fooled like me. Espola and Husker were simply playing "devil's advocate" and they did an incredibly compelling job. Oscar worthy stuff when you consider the lengths they went with the insults. Well played.
 
watfly said:
Based on his wiki the founder of Brownstone is quite an interesting character. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Tucker

These articles and studies go way over my head most of the time. We can argue about the degree of relative immunity that prior infection provides but it seems clear that it provides a level of immunity at least in the neighborhood of vaccinated immunity.
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Great article!

Conclusions

Concerning the Covid recovered, there are two key public health issues. 1. Would the Covid recovered benefit from also being vaccinated? 2. Should there be vaccine passports and mandates that require them to be vaccinated in order to work and participate in society?


The CDC study did not address the first question, while the Israeli study showed a small but not statistically significant benefit in reducing symptomatic Covid disease. Future studies will hopefully shed more light on this issue.


Based on the solid evidence from the Israeli study, the Covid recovered have stronger and longer-lasting immunity against Covid disease than the vaccinated. Hence, there is no reason to prevent them from activities that are permitted to the vaccinated. In fact, it is discriminatory.


Many of the Covid recovered were exposed to the virus as essential workers during the height of the pandemic before vaccines were available. They kept the rest of society afloat, processing food, delivering goods, unloading ships, picking up garbage, policing the streets, maintaining the electricity network, putting out fires, and caring for the old and sick, to name a few.


They are now being fired and excluded despite having stronger immunity than the vaccinated work-from-home administrators that are firing them.
 
Dominic said:
They are now being fired and excluded despite having stronger immunity than the vaccinated work-from-home administrators that are firing them.
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Pathetic! This is the ball game - and their unions have hung them out to dry, they're going to spark a real insurrection.
 
watfly said:
Nope your were just fooled like me. Espola and Husker were simply playing "devil's advocate" and they did an incredibly compelling job. Oscar worthy stuff when you consider the lengths they went with the insults. Well played.
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“insults”? Where? Making things up to accuse others of seems to be some kind of pattern in here.
 
Dominic said:
Great article!

Conclusions

Concerning the Covid recovered, there are two key public health issues. 1. Would the Covid recovered benefit from also being vaccinated? 2. Should there be vaccine passports and mandates that require them to be vaccinated in order to work and participate in society?


The CDC study did not address the first question, while the Israeli study showed a small but not statistically significant benefit in reducing symptomatic Covid disease. Future studies will hopefully shed more light on this issue.


Based on the solid evidence from the Israeli study, the Covid recovered have stronger and longer-lasting immunity against Covid disease than the vaccinated. Hence, there is no reason to prevent them from activities that are permitted to the vaccinated. In fact, it is discriminatory.


Many of the Covid recovered were exposed to the virus as essential workers during the height of the pandemic before vaccines were available. They kept the rest of society afloat, processing food, delivering goods, unloading ships, picking up garbage, policing the streets, maintaining the electricity network, putting out fires, and caring for the old and sick, to name a few.


They are now being fired and excluded despite having stronger immunity than the vaccinated work-from-home administrators that are firing them.
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Joe Blow from MSNBC ((more shit noise bull crap)) said that all first responders WHO refuse the Jab should be fired!! That guy is just like Husker and wants death. VA and NJ is making some noise too. Now that we have no more cheating in elections, America will be owned by the people, not some fat ass old farts who has been living off their families bloodline forever. The days of Cain are over!!!!
 
Brav520 said:
VA is already being called for Youngkin
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Not just Youngkin....the entire state swung heavily R....and not just Virginia but Republican wins in NJ, NY, Pennsylvania and texas....the exit polls show the main thing driving it was school closures. I also think the Ds are getting generally blamed for the poor state of the economy, that COVID hasn't gone away, and that Biden promised to unite us but we seem to be more divided than ever. I don't think Trump could have done a whole lot better....we can argue whether he would have done marginally better such as on the transportation, employment and Afghanistan issues, but they were always going to be issues that were baked in. Biden only has a few months left to turn this around before things get baked in for the midterms.

IIHC, San Francisco just mandated the vaccines for the youngers. If we do get even a moderate winter wave, the fight is going to be interested. LAUSD vaccine mandates for athletes also going into effect.
 
Grace T. said:
Not just Youngkin....the entire state swung heavily R....and not just Virginia but Republican wins in NJ, NY, Pennsylvania and texas....the exit polls show the main thing driving it was school closures. I also think the Ds are getting generally blamed for the poor state of the economy, that COVID hasn't gone away, and that Biden promised to unite us but we seem to be more divided than ever. I don't think Trump could have done a whole lot better....we can argue whether he would have done marginally better such as on the transportation, employment and Afghanistan issues, but they were always going to be issues that were baked in. Biden only has a few months left to turn this around before things get baked in for the midterms.

IIHC, San Francisco just mandated the vaccines for the youngers. If we do get even a moderate winter wave, the fight is going to be interested. LAUSD vaccine mandates for athletes also going into effect.
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I hope Time makes its Person of the Year "the American Parent". Between things like Let Them Play and the Virginia outcome, the power of pissed off parents is not to be underestimated. This is what happens when you F with kids.

The left will still not catch on though. On CNN and MSNBC they are blaming the left's losses on the fact that the Dem's haven't been able to pass an infrastructure and freebies spending bill.
 
Man, these people are going down with the ship. It's only pride now that is holding them back from true freedom. Holding unto cheating & lying because you were bought, bribed and blackmailed is not going to end well for anyone. Listen folks, were all tempted to do wrong and we all have done some wrong in our lifetime. We also pick the wrong side at times. We The People of The Untied States of America have only one side, not two sides. No escaping the truth anymore. The good and honest soul will confess his or her wrong doing and work on improving from the inside first and then work on how you look outside. I predict many and I many people will retire ((plea deal cut in 2017 to play along)) or start jumping ship right about now. FB is no more. META is death so think about that man. I love you all, even my worst enemies. I love you enemy and I wish you no harm :)
 
watfly said:
I hope Time makes its Person of the Year "the American Parent". Between things like Let Them Play and the Virginia outcome, the power of pissed off parents is not to be underestimated. This is what happens when you F with kids.

The left will still not catch on though. On CNN and MSNBC they are blaming the left's losses on the fact that the Dem's haven't been able to pass an infrastructure and freebies spending bill.
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